Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Ramen Tengoku]

Now that Grinch Leak, that's a real thing if I ever saw one.

Insiders are saying that it's fake because it has no Incineroar...

I'm starting to think that Incineroar is leakbait...

 

[SushiRoll]

If Chosen Undead isn't DLC, I'll eat my license to kill.

 

[Dee Dude]

Been a while since I was active but I finally got a copy at Best Buy! How’s everyone been doing?

 

[vaanrose]

So then who do you think is the next most likely third party if you don't mind me asking?

Dragon Quest? Monster Hunter? Minecraft?

I think Monster Hunter is out of the running. They chose to implement that franchise in the way best representative of its gameplay, through a giant monster fight.

I mean, he did clarify already, the situation. Nintendo got a list and he chose from them.

He never said this. The idea that Nintendo gave Sakurai a list to select from was completely pulled out of thin air.

it was highly unanticipated, new to the Smash series and blindsided the masses on par with Cloud Strife.

Well, I talked about Cloud all throughout Smash 4's DLC cycle, precisely because it was obvious to me that he was the biggest third party get out there.

 

[ClaTheBae]

Been a while since I was active but I finally got a copy at Best Buy! How’s everyone been doing?

We talked about vagina bombs a few pages ago so pretty good

 

[KMDP]

Insiders are saying that it's fake because it has no Incineroar...

I'm starting to think that Incineroar is leakbait...

Totally leakbait.

Who even wants that Bipedal Fire Cat anyway? Clearly they'll go for Decidueye.

 

[Dee Dude]

Question: What’s Verge’s current status?

 

[Wyoming]

ROB was a given, he saved the industry
Wii Fit Trainer was a given, Wii Fit was a phenomenon
Cloud was a given, Final Fantasy 7 is the best game ever.
Joker was a given, Persona in Smash was, like, gonna happen since Brawl.

Can't we just admit we don't know **** for once lol

 

[ClaTheBae]

Question: What’s Verge’s current status?

People on Gamefaqs are attacking him as usual. Calling him a piece of **** cause they think he was wrong about this (which he wasn't) so it's pretty normal Vergeben stuff

 

[Luigi The President]

People on Gamefaqs are attacking him as usual. Calling him a piece of **** cause they think he was wrong about this (which he wasn't) so it's pretty normal Vergeben stuff

No he actually was wrong. He stated numerous times the Squenix rep would be the first pick.
He doesn't deserve to be attacked at all obviously-but he was wrong.

 

[Deleted member]

ROB was a given, he saved the industry
Wii Fit Trainer was a given, Wii Fit was a phenomenon
Cloud was a given, Final Fantasy 7 is the best game ever.
Joker was a given, Persona in Smash was, like, gonna happen since Brawl.

Can't we just admit we don't know **** for once lol

I mean, yeah, you guys don't know **** because you refuse to learn from past experiences and continue to propagate echo chambers of what's likely and what's not.

 

[Idon]

I haven't known a thing since the day I've been born.
All I have are hopes and wants.
misguided hopes and unobtainable wants.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

He never said this. The idea that Nintendo gave Sakurai a list to select from was completely pulled out of thin air.

To quote my most wanted in Smash;

Nope, it came from the man's twitter himself:

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate’s DLC line-up is now complete. This time the selection was made entirely by Nintendo. I decide if we can create a fighter based on their selection, then come up with the plan.

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) November 6, 2018

He made it in great detail too, and quite frankly, I'm gonna take his words and Reggie for it, over conspiracy theories.

Well, I talked about Cloud all throughout Smash 4's DLC cycle, precisely because it was obvious to me that he was the biggest third party get out there.

Look, I voted for Cloud when people called me crazy. I had hopes, and yeah, maybe I could say I expected it. Congrats, we won and all that jazz.

But lord knows, that was NOT something the mainstream saw coming based off of the precedents be they fan-made or otherwise. Sure,you could say that people were short-sighted for not seeing stuff, but that doesn't change how unexpected the characters were. Unless you're really going to claim that most people saw Cloud Strife and Joker really coming.

:U Come on now.

 

[Wyoming]

I mean, yeah, you guys don't know **** because you refuse to learn from past experiences and continue to propagate echo chambers of what's likely and what's not.

Come on, dude.

That's just being silly and gloating with tons of hindsight backing yourself.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

I mean, yeah, you guys don't know **** because you refuse to learn from past experiences and continue to propagate echo chambers of what's likely and what's not.

Okay, first off, I don't recall seeing you outright expecting Joker before that reveal. And even if you were, that's some sore winning if ever I've seen some before.

Secondly, what you're suggesting honestly supports the idea that it was unexpected. Call it a dumb reason or whatnot, but you do realize that that would mean that the collective internet as a whole is an "echo chamber" as you put it, and that would still mean that Joker was unexpected for whatever reason.

 

[Deleted member]

Come on, dude.

That's just being silly and gloating with tons of hindsight backing yourself.

I'm not gloating, you're the one accusing me of being a revisionist. Just because you couldn't see something, doesn't mean others couldn't.
I'll admit I was a pretty big Cloud detractor back then and thought he'd never happen because Nintendo relevancy or whatever but at least I learned from when I was wrong.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

I'll admit I was a pretty big Cloud detractor back then and thought he'd never happen because Nintendo relevancy or whatever but at least I learned from when I was wrong.

So, I guess you could say you didn't see him coming? Despite allegedly being not an unexpected pick? I don't follow.

 

[Wyoming]

I'm not gloating, you're the one accusing me of being a revisionist. Just because you couldn't see something, doesn't mean others couldn't.
I'll admit I was a pretty big Cloud detractor back then and thought he'd never happen because Nintendo relevancy or whatever but at least I learned from when I was wrong.

Not accusing you or anything. I was speaking generally how there's always someone who says "x or y" was obvious, even if it is someone like ROB all the way back in Brawl.

I've seen it happen since ROB was added in Smash. It's funny to me.

 

[Deleted member]

Okay, first off, I don't recall seeing you outright expecting Joker before that reveal. And even if you were, that's some sore winning if ever I've seen some before.

Secondly, what you're suggesting honestly supports the idea that it was unexpected. Call it a dumb reason or whatnot, but you do realize that that would mean that the collective internet as a whole is an "echo chamber" as you put it, and that would still mean that Joker was unexpected for whatever reason.

I'm not gloating, I'm trying to get people to stop using Joker as justification for "we'll get Goku because that's UNEXPECTED!".

So, I guess you could say you didn't see him coming? Despite allegedly being not an unexpected pick? I don't follow.

What?

 

[vaanrose]

Nope, it came from the man's twitter himself:

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate’s DLC line-up is now complete. This time the selection was made entirely by Nintendo. I decide if we can create a fighter based on their selection, then come up with the plan.

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) November 6, 2018

He made it in great detail too, and quite frankly, I'm gonna take his words and Reggie for it, over conspiracy theories.

This tweet says absolutely nothing about a list. You're not taking his words. You're inventing a scenario that he is not describing.

Meanwhile...

“Mr. Sakurai, he’s not only a student of Nintendo franchises, and obviously he’s had his hand in a few, but he’s a student of video games from a total perspective. And so he’s been the driver in really thinking about what type of character coming into Super Smash Bros. Ultimate would bring just a whole different level of fun and enjoyment for the player. That’s been the approach. That’s the thinking." - - Reggie

Sakurai has been the driver in thinking what type of character should come to Smash Bros. This is not a "conspiracy theory." This is very clear language that requires no interpretation or inventing a magical "list" out of nothing.

 

[Captain Fun]

Nope, it came from the man's twitter himself:

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate’s DLC line-up is now complete. This time the selection was made entirely by Nintendo. I decide if we can create a fighter based on their selection, then come up with the plan.

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) November 6, 2018

He made it in great detail too, and quite frankly, I'm gonna take his words and Reggie for it, over conspiracy theories.

Not to pick this apart, but that's not quite the same as saying he was given a list and picked from that. These characters could have been decided one proposal at a time, rather than being picked from a list of 10, 20 or however many Nintendo came up with.

 

[Luigi The President]

Look fellas

"We should've expected Joker" and "He was unexpected", both sides literally cannot change the other minds

If some of us feel they themselves should learn from not expecting Joker; let them
If they don't; let them not do so. There's no right or wrong on if we should've expected Joker so learning or not learning isn't necessary.

He's in the game-whether we should've expected him or not is 100% subjective and there's no right answer-so let's stop this argument for the second time

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

I'm not gloating, I'm trying to get people to stop using Joker as justification for "we'll get Goku because that's UNEXPECTED!".

Okay? I don't think anyone worth the time was doing that. I'm referring more so to how you originally claimed that the DLC charcters being unexpected was supposedly a deadend of speculation and just a PR talk, when really, all else points to the contrary.

Now, if you're talking about Goku speculations, then yeah, I can see why you'd object to those levels.

What?

I'm confused, becuase you claimed that Cloud wasn't an unexpected pick despite the fact that you yourself weren't expecting it originally.

 

[ClaTheBae]

Everyone quit fighting please let's just order a pizza and talk about why we don't like hanenbow

 

[Blargg888]

Everyone quit fighting please let's just order a pizza and talk about why we don't like hanenbow

But Hanenbow's background works as a green screen now.

Hanenbow is great.

 

[Deleted member]

Hmm, I think I've changed my mind of some of my DLC wants. Reggie said during The Game Awards they will all be third party, right?


1)Agumon(or any Digimon for that matter, Shoutmon has better moveset potential)
2)Jesse(Minecraft Story Mode, and isn't a "blank slate" trope like Steve is. Well that's a half truth. Because headcanon and all that is 10x worse in SM)
3)Doctor Robotnic.(HEY WE NEED A SONIC REP, AND ROBOTNIC IS BETTER THAN EGGMAN. Wait... *Google Robotnic*

THEY ARE THE SAME CHARACTER, NVM)
4)I don't really care who.

 

[Noipoi]

Everyone quit fighting please let's just order a pizza and talk about why we don't like hanenbow

I like Hanenbow because my friend who always beats me doesn't understand it so I always win when we're on that stage.

 

[Zinith]

Everyone quit fighting please let's just order a pizza and talk about why we don't like hanenbow

Eh, while I was going through the stages, there are much worse stages, plus it's gorgeous...

 

[Deleted member]

Okay? I don't think anyone worth the time was doing that

Exaggeration for emphasiz

I'm referring more so to how you originally claimed that the DLC charcters being unexpected was supposedly a deadend of speculation and just a PR talk, when really, all else points to the contrary.

Because it is PR talk.
Reggie would never say "these characters are the ones you'd expect to see in Smash". Saying they're unexpected gets people interested to see who's next.

I'm confused, becuase you claimed that Cloud wasn't an unexpected pick despite the fact that you yourself weren't expecting it originally.

I'm talking about Joker, not Cloud.

 

[LetterO]

Spoiler: World of Light Minor Spoiler

The Wii Fit Balance Board is a master that has their own dojo. They teach the Lightweight Style to your spirits.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

This tweet says absolutely nothing about a list. You're not taking his words.

I mean, if you want to get technical, sure he doesn't mention specifically a list. But he still says that Nintendo were the ones who made the DLC selections from which he decides whether or not they can make a fighter out of.

I mean, "Selection" is the "list" in question that Sakurai chooses the fighters from. But okay, let's not call it a list. Nintendo are still the ones who made the initial choices for Sakurai to choose and decide from.

“Mr. Sakurai, he’s not only a student of Nintendo franchises, and obviously he’s had his hand in a few, but he’s a student of video games from a total perspective. And so he’s been the driver in really thinking about what type of character coming into Super Smash Bros. Ultimate would bring just a whole different level of fun and enjoyment for the player. That’s been the approach. That’s the thinking." - - Reggie

Yes, and that doesn't contradict the current speculation scene one bit. Reggie never said that Sakurai is the one that picked the DLC characters off the bat. We still know that Nintendo were the ones farming out the fighter ideas. Sakurai just had the final say on who from that selection he'd pick to be a fighter.

We didn't know Nintendo asked for Joker as it wasn't expected. Now if we did know that beforehand, then Joker would've been expected. Plain and simple as that.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Everyone quit fighting please let's just order a pizza and talk about why we don't like hanenbow

I've always been neutral on Hanenbow, tbh with ya
Never liked it, but never hated it... I don't know, it's just there.

 

[ClaTheBae]

Eh, while I was going through the stages, there are much worse stages, plus it's gorgeous...

I think it's hideous but sure agree to disagree.
And besides Palutena's temple or new pork city, what is worse than Hanenbow

 

[Zinith]

I've always been neutral on Hanenbow, tbh with ya
Never liked it, but never hated it... I don't know, it's just there.

The Groose is Loose...

...in more ways than one apparently

 

[Noipoi]

The Groose is Loose...

...in more ways than one apparently

When he was a lad he ate four dozen eggs every morning to help him get large.

But don't tell the Loftwings...

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Because it is PR talk.
Reggie would never say "these characters are the ones you'd expect to see in Smash". Saying they're unexpected gets people interested to see who's next.

Well of course it was made to get people excited. Doesn't mean it's not true still. Reggie kinda has a knack for hyping people up while being as honest as much as business will allow him. I mean, he said they'd be on the level of Joker, which he didn't have to do, and there are plenty o other ways he could've worded it still to hype. He knows his craft well and he's never steered consumers wrong.

So why bother telling folks not speculate on it?

I'm talking about Joker, not Cloud.

Cloud came up in part of the debate for "not being unexpected".

 

[Knight Dude]

A lot of people tend to mention Crash and/or Banjo, so between those two, you gotta pick one. Who would you add?

 

[staindgrey]

Come on, dude.

That's just being silly and gloating with tons of hindsight backing yourself.

He's right in saying that we create an echo chamber here and confine our expectations to that.

He's wrong about Cloud being obvious.

 

[Zinith]

A lot of people tend to mention Crash and/or Banjo, so between those two, you gotta pick one. Who would you add?

Crash as I've said numerous times

 

[MSmariosonic]

A lot of people tend to mention Crash and/or Banjo, so between those two, you gotta pick one. Who would you add?

Banjo because Banjo-Tooie is one of my favorite N64 games

Bears are also really awesome