Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[ClaTheBae]

He makes good music.

Damn we can't even cancel problematic music makers in other countries? Thought it was bad enough here in the US.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I still laugh at ''Square doesn't care about Geno/Super Mario RPG."

Yet they advertise Geno in the biggest crossover in gaming history by letting Sakurai sell him (thus giving them money) as a Mii costume and then allow him and AN EXTRA character from Super Mario RPG to come back in another capacity in Ultimate.

They also let Nintendo sell it on Virtual Console and the SNES Classic. This also is advertising and getting money off this cult thing.

I think what people mean when they say this **** is ''Geno is a blip in the big Square radar." which does not equal ''Square doesn't care about Geno/Super Mario RPG."

 

[Paperchampion23]

Its why i cant see DQ being in smash: Its music. If it was extremely hard to get 2 songs for cloud, why would Nintendo even try and go for DQ music, where its music is even more notorious to use by outside parties, and especially since the composer is a terrible person?


With Sora allegedly deconfirmed by him, its Sephiroth, Chrono, or Geno as a possible result. We do need confirmation from him now. Its out and pretty soon gamefaqs will report on this and call him out, so lets be patient.

 

[capri_]

How is that my problem?

Sakurai talked about a streamlined method of unlocking characters.

There isn't one.

That's pretty ****ty of them imo. People love to call Sakurai a "liar" and "troll" unjustly, but this one feels like a blatant lie, or pure incompetence.

Compared to how slow you it was to unlock characters in the previous games I'd say it is pretty streamlined this time

 

[Deleted member]

What if after all this bickering, we don't get a Square rep?

 

[T3Z3R1]

If they fire him they lose ALL the music for Dragon Quest

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Why are they keeping him if they want to keep all the music for Dragon Quest? And then I thought that FFXV development was so bad enough.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

oh yeet. why the hell hasn't he been fired???

because once hes gone, DQ is gone too

 

[Paperchampion23]

oh yeet. why the hell hasn't he been fired???

Because his compositions are extremely well done and world renowned, regardless of his ****ty character

 

[The DanMan051]

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Why are they keeping him if they want to keep all the music for Dragon Quest? And then I thought that FFXV development was so bad enough.

They share the rights with him. He bails/the fire him, neither of them can do anything with it.

 

[Flyboy]

We don't have a full list on what the Spirits do and which fighters they use, but there is a picture of Roll Caskett's(AKA Megaman Legends Roll) Spirit.

So the idea is that she possesses Isabelle, she is joined by a Diddy Kong and by the looks of it, the Hocotate Bomb is going to be used alot.

OH MY GOD IT'S ON THE PILOTWINGS STAGE THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER EVER EVER I AM GENUINELY TEARING UP AT THIS LEGENDS LOVE

I CANNOT WAIT FOR THIS MODE.

 

[Iridium]

Uh oh...

Confirmed this is removed from final build. https://t.co/ig8RWG6uRd

— Meshima (@Meshima_) November 25, 2018

I know this isn't the worst thing ever, but eh.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Misinformation. Geno is a popular speculation pick, so it'd be natural to think he's the SE rep. If SE releases a list and Geno is on it, people will believe it's Geno when in reality it's someone else.

Or shockingly this is also an equal opportunity that people seem to be writing off:

People write it off (like is exactly happening) as ''Square wouldn't do that over ___" and because he's such a small cult thing people just assume ''That's obviously not it." and they gravitate towards the big names and thus write off the little train that could.

Or you know there's also the very real possibility this list is B.S. and there's no grand Square scheme to cover up Geno/DQ/FF/Whoever.

Because they don't ****ing care.

 

[Luigifan18]

right now

The Americans gathered for his funeral were unable to hold back their greasy tears as Sonic was laid to rest. As was tradition for time immemorial, his corpse was set ablaze with a flaming arrow and his remains were picked apart by a flock of ravenous bald eagles.

— Fanfiction_txt (@fanfiction_txt) November 26, 2018

Crunchii = Sonic

By the way, this tweet comes at same time crunchii's YT channel got removed

Ah, the wonders of bizarre fanfiction...

 

[SuperSmashLover]

How is that my problem?

Sakurai talked about a streamlined method of unlocking characters.

There isn't one.

That's pretty ****ty of them imo. People love to call Sakurai a "liar" and "troll" unjustly, but this one feels like a blatant lie, or pure incompetence.

Technically speaking, isnt

Spoiler

Unlock *insert name here* by beating classic with so and so

considered a streamlined method? The good news is there's always

Spoiler

0.0 difficulty level so you can bang them all out in a day at most

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Why are they keeping him if they want to keep all the music for Dragon Quest? And then I thought that FFXV development was so bad enough.

Dragon Quest has a HUGE legacy due to it being like 30 years old, the composer has the rights to ALL of his songs and it's just incredibly difficult to forfeit thousands of songs because then they'd have to start from scratch. Hell, they'd probably have to remove all digital releases until they modify the soundtrack considering how Capcom handled their ghost composer controversy

 

[Deleted member]

Fixed some grammar. It's disconfirm instead of deconfirm, and periods go inside of quotes if you end sentences with them.

Okay seriously, don't come into a thread meant for casual discussion and start being a grammar nazi. It's not gonna get anyone on your side.

I still laugh at ''Square doesn't care about Geno/Super Mario RPG."

Yet they advertise Geno in the biggest crossover in gaming history by letting Sakurai sell him (thus giving them money) as a Mii costume and then allow him and AN EXTRA character from Super Mario RPG to come back in another capacity in Ultimate.

They also let Nintendo sell it on Virtual Console and the SNES Classic. This also is advertising and getting money off this cult thing.

I think what people mean when they say this **** is ''Geno is a blip in the big Square radar." which does not equal ''Square doesn't care about Geno/Super Mario RPG."

Eh, we don't know anything anyway, that's why it's called speculation. People talking definitively about which characters definitely will and definitely will not get in are missing the point.

 

[Deleted member]

Uh oh...

Confirmed this is removed from final build. https://t.co/ig8RWG6uRd

— Meshima (@Meshima_) November 25, 2018

I know this isn't the worst thing ever, but eh.

Oh no. If that's true, I am glad I'm not in the competitive scene of Smash, because holy ****.

 

[Luigi The President]

Or shockingly this is also an equal opportunity that people seem to be writing off:

People write it off (like is exactly happening) as ''Square wouldn't do that over ___" and because he's such a small cult thing people just assume ''That's obviously not it." and they gravitate towards the big names and thus write off the little train that could.

Or you know there's also the very real possibility this list is B.S. and there's no grand Square scheme to cover up Geno/DQ/FF/Whoever.

Because they don't ****ing care.

No, Square definitely cares about covering its leaks.

Picture a time you've heard of any other Squenix character in a crossover leaked before their announcement. The Automata music slipup with SC6 doesn't count.

 

[ClaTheBae]

Uh oh...

Confirmed this is removed from final build. https://t.co/ig8RWG6uRd

— Meshima (@Meshima_) November 25, 2018

I know this isn't the worst thing ever, but eh.

Hopefully she doesn't become toxic to the meta again

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

But anyway, about Dragon Quest, Ive said this before but Sylvando, he would be great

 

[T3Z3R1]

Dragon Quest has a HUGE legacy due to it being like 30 years old, the composer has the rights to ALL of his songs and it's just incredibly difficult to forfeit thousands of songs because then they'd have to start from scratch. Hell, they'd probably have to remove all digital releases until they modify the soundtrack considering how Capcom handled their ghost composer controversy

One question remaining, If DQ composer dies, does Square get to keep the DQ music?

Because that's one thing I'm curious about it

 

[Tree Gelbman]

No, Square definitely cares about covering its leaks.

Picture a time you've heard of any other Squenix character in a crossover leaked before their announcement. The Automata music slipup with SC6 doesn't count.

Eh. That doesn't really equal or mean anything. Just because a leak has never happened doesn't stop the most important thing here.

Let's say tomorrow a picture of the Square rep gets loaded to 4Chan. It's authentic as hell.

Square. Won't. Give. A. ****.

You know why? Because in the grand scheme of things? Even if something leaks? They still get the dollah dollah dollah bill ya'll.

And that's the only thing they're gonna care about when it comes to a crossover. Not ''OH NO IT MIGHT LEAK".

 

[AugustusB]

Ahhh I see our (The GenoBros) little secret got out. This is quite a bit to take in.

So is anyone feeling DQ or can that finally be on the back burner for possible Square Reps?

In all honesty, the most likely, at this time to be our rep is Chrono, Geno or Sephiroth.

Geno is the Smash fan favorite, but like many have said he is a small blip on the Square Radar.

Chrono would be incredible to be honest! I believe he 8s co-owned by Armor Project. Might be wrong.

Sephiroth would be really neat to see. Simon's range, eat your heart out! But something I thought of, would we see another FF7 stage? Bayo didn't get a new one NOR did Capcom.

It could go either way.

 

[Deleted member]

Hopefully she doesn't become toxic to the meta again

If they were smart, the community would ban her. She was drama before, she doesn't need to be drama again.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

One question remaining, If DQ composer dies, does Square get to keep the DQ music?

Because that's one thing I'm curious about it

I think his music is his and when he dies, well, I think so does the music and they will have to find someone else, I think

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Sakurai: "Actually, I wanted Geno to be playable, he would be perfect for Smash!" *laughs*

>gets a Mii costume with a unique tagline
>gets one of the only Square Enix spirits in the game

Clearly he's a joke and nobody cares about him.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

One question remaining, If DQ composer dies, does Square get to keep the DQ music?

Because that's one thing I'm curious about it

idk Japanese culture about this but either that or he puts it in his will. Japan's being a lot more progressive than 4channers would let you believe so hopefully regardless what happens, the rightowners would at least be decent people

 

[Deleted member]

Anyways, SE doesn't really care about Geno. Speak to anyone who knows anything and they'll tell you that. Verge even made a comment saying something similar to this, but I'm too lazy to find it. The spirit can be explained by how easy it is to ask for a .png instead of a playable character. Same thing with the Mii costume.

Sora is...an interesting case. Like I said, some people say he's in (Spawn Wave), and others say he's not (one of Verge's sources), and I wouldn't trust any definite statements because no one knows who it is.

The only way we'll find out who the SE rep is is when they're actually revealed. I'm convinced of this.

See where you’re coming from, but I just don’t think it’s reasonable to say ‘Sora still has a chance’ and then say ‘Geno’s out’.
Ultimately both statements hold the same weight. They’re both coming from th same midddle-man, and we don’t know which sources said what. That other stuff on geno and sora’s chance are fine, but I don’t see them as particularly relevant here, more to the characters’ general chances.
Sorry for the late reply btw.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Or shockingly this is also an equal opportunity that people seem to be writing off:

People write it off (like is exactly happening) as ''Square wouldn't do that over ___" and because he's such a small cult thing people just assume ''That's obviously not it." and they gravitate towards the big names and thus write off the little train that could.

Or you know there's also the very real possibility this list is B.S. and there's no grand Square scheme to cover up Geno/DQ/FF/Whoever.

Because they don't ****ing care.

That too. The other side of the argument is that it's refuge in audacity and they're using the list to hide Geno by surrounding him with larger names. Based off of what I know though, I'm more inclined to believe my former point. Like I said though, I honestly believe we won't know who the SE rep is until they're revealed.

Okay seriously, don't come into a thread meant for casual discussion and start being a grammar nazi. It's not gonna get anyone on your side.

>Implying I have people on my side

Being serious, I simply want everyone to become better writers; It's not like I'm using it to discredit anyone or anything. I'm also open to being corrected myself, as KMDP did to me last night.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Uh oh...

Confirmed this is removed from final build. https://t.co/ig8RWG6uRd

— Meshima (@Meshima_) November 25, 2018

I know this isn't the worst thing ever, but eh.

What’s bad about it’s

It’s stating Bayonetta is nerfed which is what we all wanted

Isn’t?

 

[Untouch]

The pessimism inside of me wants to say that Slime isnt even considered, one of Verge's sources is messing with him.
The optimism inside of me wants to say that Slime isnt a name going around too much because he's in and Square Enix doesn't want to give his name out.
The realist inside of my wants to say that every name on the list is equally important because even the leakers truly don't know who is in yet.

 

[Deleted member]

Sakurai: "Actually, I wanted Geno to be playable, he would be perfect for Smash!" *laughs*

>gets a Mii costume with a unique tagline
>gets one of the only Square Enix spirits in the game

Clearly he's a joke and nobody cares about him.

I have a feeling a few people consider those fighting words...

What’s bad about it’s

It’s stating Bayonetta is nerfed

Isn’t?

Nah, she got a buff. RIP The competitive Smash scene's sanity lol.

 

[Luigi The President]

The pessimism inside of me wants to say that Slime isnt even considered, one of Verge's sources is messing with him.
The optimism inside of me wants to say that Slime isnt a name going around too much because he's in and Square Enix doesn't want to give his name out.
The realist inside of my wants to say that every name on the list is equally important because even the leakers truly don't know who is in yet.

For what it's worth buddy;
You've always been super respectful about the Squenix rep. If Slime's in, I'm happy for you.
He's my most wanted DQ rep. Though I want none really.

 

[R O F L]

Does anyone know if All-star mode is still a thing in Smash Ultimate?

Pretty sure they turned it into a kind of Mob smash (Multi-Man Smash).

 

[Untouch]

Spoiler: world of light

what if the ending song 92 is supposed to be master hand?

 

[PsySmasher]

Uh oh...

Confirmed this is removed from final build. https://t.co/ig8RWG6uRd

— Meshima (@Meshima_) November 25, 2018

I know this isn't the worst thing ever, but eh.

Isn't the tweet saying that buff was removed from the final build?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

**** it's easy to write Geno and Mallow off especially when you put their image in the game as well.

That could be a part of Square's play by play for all we know.

Get people thinking ''Well, that's all he got." and then you hit them with the DLC.

Again it's just speculation, but it's also something I thought about.

 

[Blueant22]

I have a feeling a few people consider those fighting words...

Nah, she got a buff. RIP The competitive Smash scene's sanity lol.

The Tweet says that the buff got removed in the final build though.

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

I say let's put the Square Enix character on the back burner, it's really hard to tell who it could be, I say let's just wait it out till Decemeber 6th. Square has a lot of characters they could choose from.

For all we know this character is someone that's suppose to be a big surprise reveal and that's probably why even leakers aren't sure of who it could be.

 

[Kuraudo]

... it's Sephiroth. It makes perfect sense now, the lack of Spirits and music for Final Fantasy was because it was going to be saved for his DLC.

Might be a slight bit of bias here (and more villains!!) but.

Take. My. Money.