Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Zinith]

@Alastor017 Do you choose Smash Ultimate renders at random to use as your avatar?

 

[Noipoi]

Dark skin is a weird anime trope where they don't actually look like any race. Her armor is not made to be effective it's made to look attractive/cute
She's some young puny girl who should not be a warrior and I hate those kinds of characters that incorporate all the anime tropes which all also happen to be as unrealistic as it gets.

Bro am I gonna hafta make my avatar a few shades lighter for you?
Chill out dude.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Can someone explain how you all feel about Geno's chances?

He had more of a chance when it was Sakurai was the one deciding characters, now that we know Nintendo themselves are, I feel his chances have dropped significantly unfortunately.

 

[Deleted member]

@Alastor017 Do you choose Smash Ultimate renders at random to use as your avatar?

Yeah, pretty much lol. Can't decide on which one to choose.

 

[JCDied4U]

This again?

Super Smash Brothers has never had a consistent style. Why can one anthropomorphic animal look like while one looks like ? Why do we have anime-faced and stuck between the more realistic and super cartoonish ? Why do we have alongside ? Why is so large and the terrifying so small? What is the M-rated doing with the E-for-Everyone and ? How does or make any semblance of sense?

There are plenty of reasons to not expect or even want a character, but that their character design or art style not "meshing" is not one of them.

I'm just saying we don't need cliche anime characters especially when fire emblem already is borderline anime. Yes we can put a rock into smash I'm just saying it would be a terrible character to add.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Are you serious? Dark skin isn't bad, I was pointing out that it's an anime trope like blue hair which isn't a real thing for characters with asian/caucasian features. There's nothing wrong with darker skinned people smh y'all jump to scary conclusions

Yeah but...

You know there are lots of Asians with dark skin right? Even in Japan, its common for country and sea folks to get tans.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

If Hitagi's statement about Spirits is to be believed, Geno's chances are all but dead.

I'm sorry Geno bros...

 

[Noipoi]

Can someone explain how you all feel about Geno's chances?

Also if there is any racism going on, I am leaving. I absolutely hate racism and bigotry.

Geno fans have been in a ride ever since Brawl, and yet Geno was not disconfirmed but his fate is uncertain.
His position at the moment is weird.

I think he's at around 20%.
Not great chances, but there's a possibility he could beat the odds.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

If Hitagi's statement about Spirits is to be believed, Geno's chances are all but dead.

I'm sorry Geno bros...

What was this statement?

 

[UberPyro64]

And they also said there'd be no Nintendo reps...

Hitagi contradicts themself a lot presumably as they learn new info.

Okay, they also refused to talk about Rex & Pyra, so lets narrow it down.

Byleth/Edelgard, Crash Bandicoot, Erdrick/Slime, Euden/Katalina, Heihachi, Rex & Pyra. That's seven.

But really, besides Steve, we really can't say anything for sure.

 

[JCDied4U]

And look how many characters we have with rainbow hair.


Why is a character with dark skin soo bad now? It's literally no different than what we have.



You can not like it all ya want, but of course you're going to be taken out of context when you're arguing SKIN COLOR of all things, especially nowadays.

Yes I literally pnly mentioned skin colour to add one more anime trope to the list. I don't know why people attacked me like I was saying I didn't want dark skinned people. Sheesh

 

[PsySmasher]

Can someone explain how you all feel about Geno's chances?

Geno fans have been in a ride ever since Brawl, and yet Geno was not disconfirmed but his fate is uncertain.
His position at the moment is weird.

I can’t speak for any of the Geno fans out there, but my opinion is essentially this:

?

I have no idea. I can see him getting in due to how popular he is within the Smash community, but on the other hand, I don’t think he’d be the character that Nintendo/Square want to push. It’s honestly a coin toss for me at this point.

 

[KingofKoopas]

If Hitagi's statement about Spirits is to be believed, Geno's chances are all but dead.

I'm sorry Geno bros...

What statements are those?

 

[NineS]

What was this statement?

What statements are those?

Spirits will not become characters.

Which kills most of the possible reps.

 

[Grunky Peep]

It happens all the time though.

See: Nintendo's IP Graveyard (Custom Robo, Advance Wars, various Retro series i.e. Star Tropics, Golden Sun, almost Fire Emblem, etc.)

But with Square Enix it makes no sense whatsoever. Nintendo could revive those franchises if they wanted to. It wouldn't make sense for Square Enix to bring back Geno without him being in a Mario game.

 

[TheCJBrine]

3rd Party Characters are more popular than 1st Party Characters, and can also be promotional.

Monster Hunter being added would get a lot more attention and hype than Bandana Dee.

I guess they can get people to buy Smash, though I don't see why someone would buy a party/fighting game only for one character.

Would Nintendo make much money off the DLC? The other companies would have to be paid too, although I guess if enough people buy it then Nintendo will make a profit anyway...

 

[Shroob]

Yes I literally pnly mentioned skin colour to add one more anime trope to the list. I don't know why people attacked me like I was saying I didn't want dark skinned people. Sheesh

Because what you said is VERY easy to take out of context.

The fact that everyone assumed you were being a racist asshole should prove that "We don't talk about skin color like it's a bad thing."

 

[BlondeLombax]

I honestly can't tell if people actually hate FE, or if it's the typical "REEEEE aNiMu is bAaaaAaAAd!!!111!!1"

'Cuz for all the hate they supposedly get and for how supposedly soooo terrible they are, both Awakening and Fates sure sold and reviewed well.

Don't mind me, just someone who's first FE was Awakening and is tired of seeing it get so much flack walking through...

It goes both ways, really. There's the people who genuinely dislike either certain games or the franchise in general due to personal preferences, and then there's the anime bandwagoners. As a fellow Awakening beginner, I can understand the former, but both can be particularly childish at times.

 

[Deleted member]

Yo-Kai Watch is still quite popular and has a successful merchandise line and the games do well. It's not a merchandise giant, but it's more in the public conciousness than something like Digimon

This hurt me to type

Ugggh. A part of me despises Yo-Kai Watch.
Go play Pokémon, you knuckleheads.
Digimon is not that bad though, except I do not play it.

I am not that much of a Geno bro, but is not King K. Rool a spirit?

 

[Idon]

Yeah, pretty much lol. Can't decide on which one to choose.

You could just pick a piece of fanart that has a bunch of them in one shot.
Or edit together a pic that has all your favorites.

 

[Deleted member]

Good lord, what the hell has happened to this thread in the past 24 hours? We went from one crazy topic to the next lol

People needing to think before they type and click "Post Reply" is what's happening.

Seriously, I'm with Alastor: What the peck.

 

[JCDied4U]

Bro am I gonna hafta make my avatar a few shades lighter for you?
Chill out dude.

I'm assuming you're just trolling me now so I'll just let that end there. I literally only mentioned dark skin as one of the other anime tropes. Really scary how mutliple people just completely twisted what I was saying.

 

[Double K]

Are you serious? Dark skin isn't bad, I was pointing out that it's an anime trope like blue hair which isn't a real thing for characters with asian/caucasian features. There's nothing wrong with darker skinned people smh y'all jump to scary conclusions

DARK SKIN IS AN ANIME THING GUYS

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

I made another video on the Smash Bros. Ultimate commercial, this time with Fresh Prince of Bel Air music. Check it out.

 

[StrawHatX]

If Hitagi's statement about Spirits is to be believed, Geno's chances are all but dead.

I'm sorry Geno bros...

His chances were all but dead the minute we found out Nintendo was picking the DLC characters and not Sakurai.

Has a Geno spirit been seen yet? I thought the only thing we saw of him was a player icon.

 

[Zinith]

Yeah, pretty much lol. Can't decide on which one to choose.

Maybe you haven't gotten to my boi because you feel you don't want to step on my territory

 

[Jedisupersonic]

I guess they can get people to buy Smash, though I don't see why someone would buy a party/fighting game only for one character.

Would Nintendo make much money off the DLC? The other companies would have to be paid too, although I guess if enough people buy it then Nintendo will make a profit anyway...

You'd be surprised, some folks bought Crossover games like Tatsunoko vs Capcom just because Zero finally got into a Vs game (SNK v Capcom Chaos doesn't count to a number of people), this was before he was a mainstay Vs character mind you but still. Character choices matter a lot to some people.

I know some folks who aren't big into Nintendo stuff get Smash 4 just because Cloud got in too.

 

[Shroob]

His chances were all but dead the minute we found out Nintendo was picking the DLC characters and not Sakurai.

Has a Geno spirit been seen yet? I thought the only thing we saw of him was a player icon.

If there's a player icon, it's only logical to assume that there'll also be a Spirit.

 

[TheCJBrine]

We haven't seen Geno as a Spirit, though I guess it's possible he is one.

Geno ain't dead yet, though.

-inb4 Piranha Plant is a Spirit and these statements get trashed.

 

[Deleted member]

To anyone saying "Spirits" means "Deconfirmed":

King K. Rool and Male Wii Fit Trainer are spirits. Chrom will be in Robin's Final Smash even if there is another Chrom. Mewtwo and Lucas were trophies in Smash 4 that turned to DLC.

The whole "Spirits means DECONFIRMATION" arguments are dumb.

 

[KingofKoopas]

Spirits will not become characters.

Which kills most of the possible reps.

oh....

Mod Edit: Video removed

 

[ZephyrZ]

I'm just saying we don't need cliche anime characters especially when fire emblem already is borderline anime. Yes we can put a rock into smash I'm just saying it would be a terrible character to add.

You specifically said they'd look out of place, which is a redundant point when everyone in Smash is "out of place". Not that I'd ever expect that character to actually be in Smash in a million years.

I'm just a bit tired of seeing "that character would look out of place" as a cheap way to try and dismiss character predictions and requests, as if it actually holds any sort of water.

 

[Deleted member]

You could just pick a piece of fanart that has a bunch of them in one shot.
Or edit together a pic that has all your favorites.

You know, if I had the money, I would have someone make a fanart of the Smash charcters I like, but that would probably be too much trouble lol.

People needing to think before they type and click "Post Reply" is what's happening.

Seriously, I'm with Alastor: What the peck.

Smashboards has lost it's mind recently.

Maybe you haven't gotten to my boi because you feel you don't want to step on my territory

Er, that's the thing....Yoshi ain't my boi.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

If Hitagi's statement about Spirits is to be believed, Geno's chances are all but dead.

I'm sorry Geno bros...

Technically we have still never seen a Geno spirit, only an online player icon. Also I’m not sure how Hitagi could possibly know that for 100% certain, although it’s a good assumption I doubt that it’s something she would know definitively.

 

[StrawHatX]

If there's a player icon, it's only logical to assume that there'll also be a Spirit.

I agree, but we still haven’t seen one yet. I’m surprised we haven’t seen any SMRPG spirits yet. I’m sure Mallow has to be one.

 

[JCDied4U]

DARK SKIN IS AN ANIME THING GUYS

I just meant that someone with asian features and dark skin is very rare in real life but extremely common in anime. I listed tons of other tropes but I'm sorry that this one offended you.

 

[Idon]

Technically we have still never seen a Geno spirit, only an online player icon.

"Your misguided hope only serves to prolong your suffering"

 

[Double K]

Ugggh. A part of me despises Yo-Kai Watch.
Go play Pokémon, you knuckleheads.
Digimon is not that bad though, except I do not play it.

I am not that much of a Geno bro, but is not King K. Rool a spirit?

To be honest, Level-5 makes better Monster games than Nintendo

 

[Opossum]

In light of the potentially good news, here's my take on Celica's moveset for anyone who hasn't seen it yet. Just in case the stars align, you know?

Spoiler

CELICA Sets Sail!

Normal Attacks

Jab: Using the Beloved Zofia, Celica performs a three hit combo attack. The first strike comes downward from overhead, the second comes from the side in a sweeping motion, and the third has Celica twirling a bit, swinging the blade from behind in an upward motion. This is based on her in-dungeon combo from Shadows of Valentia. Specifically, it comes directly from her second, third, and fourth strike.

Dash Attack: The small wisp of fire following Celica creates a wall of flames in front of her as she charges forward. Unlike her other magical attacks, no recoil is done here. This is changed, however, if Celica charges her Fire special. If it is charged, this move makes Celica take minor recoil damage, but also makes the move hit much harder. This is taken directly from her dash attack in Shadows of Valentia.

Up Tilt: Celica points the Beloved Zofia skyward as the glowing flame beside her becomes three fire balls, which twirl around the tip of her sword. A multi-hit move.

Side Tilt: Celica thrusts the Beloved Zofia forward, moving slightly in the direction she's facing while doing so. This move comes from the first and fifth strike of her in-dungeon combo in Shadows of Valentia.

Down Tilt: Celica, while crouched, moves her hand outward, launching a small, thunderous spark toward the ground. Due to the stun effect, this move can combo into itself twice before knockback forces foes away.


Smash Attacks:

Up Smash: Celica, using the Beloved Zofia like a sort of baton, casts Excalibur above her, creating a slow-rising razor wind. It travels higher up and does more damage the longer it is charged. The move has a trapping effect due to it being a rapid multi-hit move.

Side Smash: Celica leaps up and smashes the Beloved Zofia downward onto opponents. This is based on her critical hit and finishing blow animation in both Gaiden and Shadows of Valentia. However, this move does far less knockback than the rest of her smash attacks, due to not being magically backed.

Down Smash: Celica performs her casting animation and casts Thunder, hitting both sides of the ground beside her with bolts of lightning.


Aerial Attacks:

Neutral Air: Celica's fire ball splits into a small stream of fire. Celica moves the Beloved Zofia in a circular motion and the stream of flames circles around her twice, clockwise.

Forward Air: Celica, using a variation of Seraphim, quickly grows angelic wings and uses them to slam foes both forward and downward. This move is based on one of Celica's attacks in Fire Emblem Warriors.

Back Air: Celica quickly makes a backhanded strike with the Beloved Zofia. Here, the tip of the blade is blessed with the Thunder spell, creating a small orb of electricity at the end. Hitting with the spark does much more damage.

Up Air: Celica uses another variant of Excalibur, sending a small gust of wind upward. Knockback-wise and potency-wise, it is somewhere between Mega Man's and Mr. Game and Watch's wind-based up airs.

Down Air: Celica points her arms downward, spreading her fireball into a stream of fire beneath her in a parabolic arc.

Grab, Pummel, and Throws:

Grab and Pummel: Celica has a fairly standard grab, and pummels by imbuing her hands with fire to burn the opponent. The pummel does not, however, cause recoil damage, despite being magic-based. This holds true for Celica's throws as well.

Forward Throw: Celica releases the foe as three columns of fire erupt in front of her, beneath the foe, carrying them away before causing severe knockback.

Back Throw: Celica tosses the foe back and releases a blast of light magic from her hands, sending them flying.

Up Throw: Celica waves her arms overhead after bringing her foe upward, shocking them with electricity before launching them.

Down Throw: Pointing her Beloved Zofia to the ground, three strikes of compressed wind energy pummel the foe before bouncing them off the ground of the stage.

Special Attacks:

Neutral Special: Fire (Ragnarok) - Celica charges up her fire ball that shoots forward before exploding. At full charge, this becomes Ragnarok, which is incredibly powerful, doing roughly 35% damage and quite a bit of knock back, but at the expense of Celica taking hefty recoil damage. Chargeable and storable. While it is stored, however, any attack using Celica's fire ball will grow in power, but the recoil damage of the move will be more severe. This does not effect her pummel or forward throw, however.

Side Special: Seraphim - Celica clasps her hands together as she is bathed in a flash of white light. A giant ball of white light surrounds Celica when the button is released, and it slowly moves forward. If the opponent is overlapping Celica's light, they will be trapped similarly to Mewtwo's neutral air, before being carried forward with the ball of light and being erupted from it when it reaches its full distance. A "get off me" move befitting Celica's connection to Mila and having one of her weaknesses protected.

Up Special: Excalibur - Celica summons a gust of razor wind around her as she ascends. Nearby foes get cut by the wind, though Celica also takes minor damage from this move (less than five percent).

Down Special: Mila's Turnwheel - Celica clasps her hands and enters a praying stance. A counter-styled move, if Celica activates this move at the right moment of impact with the foe, the foe is pushed away, doing no damage. However, Celica is healed by ten percent, making it a very risky way of restoring health. Note, though, that the move has far stricter timing than other Counter-like moves, and excessive usage of the move will lower the amount of health it heals.

Final Smash: Ragnarok Ω - If foes are in range of the attack's start up, a cutscene plays, based on Celica's in-game cutscene when activating this move. Visually, they're essentially the same. The move then ends. Unlike in Shadows of Valentia, this move does not cause recoil damage to Celica, due to being her Final Smash.

Overview:

Celica mainly relies on her spells, with a few moves utilizing the Beloved Zofia, like her jab. The Beloved Zofia acts more like a conduit for her spells here than an actual weapon for most of her moveset, where she makes graceful guiding motions with it to focus her spells, not unlike a baton, or how Toon Link uses the Wind Waker. For the few attacks where she uses the Beloved Zofia for offense, she takes a more rapier-like style.

Like in Shadows of Valentia's dungeon segments, Celica is followed by a small wisp of fire. This is mostly cosmetic and serves as a neat way for her to animate some of her attacks, but also benefits from her neutral special, wherein she can increase its size the more she charges her Fire spell. This increases the size of some of her attacks' hit boxes at the expense of more recoil damage, and after firing off her charged Fire or Ragnarok, the wisp fizzles back to its original size.

In reference to Gaiden and Shadows of Valentia's unique magic system, Celica takes a variant of Pichu's self damage gimmick, but better executed. Celica does more self damage the more potent her spells are, but can reliably kill using them. Her issue stems from her being the epitome of a glass cannon, as she can't take hits well at all, especially when using her higher recoil spells. In addition to reflecting her game of origin's mechanics, her moveset also reflects her personality and character, with her gracefulness coming through in her use of the Beloved Zofia and her penchant for self-sacrifice coming through in her powerful spells' recoil.

Entrance Animation:
Celica slowly walks in and creates her wisp of fire from her hand, as in her dungeon entrance animation from Shadows of Valentia.

Taunts:
Up Taunt - Celica holds her right arm up as the wisp of fire wraps around it, traveling upward until it bursts into flames above her hand, all while saying "I'm not about to stop here!"
Side Taunt - Celica holds a hand over her heart and says "Guide me, Mila."
Down Taunt - Twirls and puts a hand on her hip, saying "All thanks to the Mother." This is taken directly from her Shadows of Valentia victory animation.

 

[Noipoi]

You know, if I had the money, I would have someone make a fanart of the Smash charcters I like, but that would probably be too much trouble lol.

Alastor, buddy, how could you say that with me around?