Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

Speaking of Geno, what if Sakurai uses Geno as a tool to hype DLC?
Though Geno missed his chances since Brawl.

Geno is in a confusing position at the moment.

 

[RyuhoFox]

Nah. Last I remember he said talks were proceeding swimmingly.

As far as I am aware wasn't all that was said about the talks was that they knew they were happening and nothing else past that?

 

[Noipoi]

HAH! That took less time than I thought. Also it's 150 pages Noipoi

https://t.co/BSpjHey117

It's...it's NoiPOI...

But thanks!

 

[Luigi The President]

I need 50ccs of source ASAP!

Well, to start there's this:
https://www.reddit.com/user/Senjoug...o_apparently_94_of_you_follow_me_lol/e9l1ekr/
So Katalina isn't the First Party Swordfighter
Additionally, there's this:
https://www.reddit.com/user/Senjoug...tly_94_of_you_follow_me_lol/e9ldjsj/?sort=new
Which means that negotiations are going, but not good. I'll admit my original point was wrong, but Katalina is far from confirmed. I believe they'd go with Euden instead given that he's first party and represents the collaboration between the two.

Oh no I was never trying to argue Kata's the first party swordfighter. My bad.

" I thought she was confirmed, turns out it was negotiations being dealt with. "
This doesn't sound like negotiations going badly to me but it's a matter of perspective.

Speaking of Geno, what if Sakurai uses Geno as a tool to hype DLC?
Though Geno missed his chances since Brawl.

Geno is in a confusing position at the moment.

Nintendo picked the DLC not Sakurai.

 

[Double K]

wait is this about Sayaka

I mean I think she gets a bit too much flak too but jesus 100 pages is insane

It was about sayaka

https://t.co/BSpjHey117

AND IT'S 150 PAGES

 

[Will]

Rex & Pyra are, in my opinion, too popular to exclude.

I totally agree.
That's why they made Rex a Mii costume.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

That was different.

We got **** because they didn't like the character.

I'm trying to point out how the idea of the character being DLC doesn't really make sense with everything we know.

As somebody who is legit sad they might not be in, hear me out. The Mii Fighter costume, to me, is like a “soft” disconfirmation.

It’s not like I think they’re super likely. There’s just different circumstances. For example, the Rex costume is only if you purchase the pass, and not available to the average consumer. I also don’t personally think Mii Fighter costumes on their own crush chances.

I would also like to believe that Rex, should be somehow be in through DLC, could bring in a stage, as well as even better music than what we got already. That said, I totally agree things can be easily perceived as not looking good. They have plenty of spirits, a Mii Fighter costume, and 3 music tracks.

Those things themselves don’t disconfirm entirely, but the situation itself just might. Basically, none of it disconfirms him the way an Assist Trophy.

It’s not like I expect him for the Fighter Pass. If there is a second Fighter Pass, then Y I K E S ahead of time, because i’m gonna be praying he gets in.

It’s not even a “rep” thing. I really just like Rex as a character and I love the game itself, despite the crazy designs of some of the characters. That’s really the last request I could ever have for a Smash game. I could obviously get over his absence, but it would still kinda sting.

I hope that’s at least more of a reasonable perspective for Rex. I feel like sometimes the thoughts toward the character and Smash get misconstrued, but I really just would love to see him in Smash, and despite the excitement of Ken, Incineroar and Piranha Plant for me, that one just kinda felt like a gut punch, you know?

 

[KingofKoopas]

Two of em. Dual sword and dual gun user.

There we go mystery solved. Youre welcome for the hopes and dreams Elma fans ill be waiting for my Nobel Prize.

 

[Shroob]

Man, we've gone through soo much in the last 24 hours it's astonishing.

Wars, sexualization, death of a popular creator, and now casual racism!



Never change, Smashboards. Never change.

 

[JCDied4U]

Nah, she's not a commander. Actually she's kind of an airhead who knows nothing about people. Also sexualized armor???

Also why is the dark skin a demerit? lol

Dark skin is a weird anime trope where they don't actually look like any race. Her armor is not made to be effective it's made to look attractive/cute
She's some young puny girl who should not be a warrior and I hate those kinds of characters that incorporate all the anime tropes which all also happen to be as unrealistic as it gets.

 

[Deleted member]

These are my current bets:

-Heihachi
-Elma
-Katalina
-Steve?
-DQ Character (Despite what I said before about Erdrick, I'm starting to think it'd be him now...)

 

[Luigi The President]

That was different.

We got **** because they didn't like the character.

I'm trying to point out how the idea of the character being DLC doesn't really make sense with everything we know.

Still man...let 'em have their fun. They get their expectations up, let them be sad too.

 

[Double K]

Dark skin is a weird anime trope where they don't actually look like any race.

So I can go on and talk about how every point in your post is BS, but uhh

holy **** dude, you might wanna take down that Confederate Flag from your avatar

 

[RyuhoFox]

I think I am misunderstanding. I don't recall TMK Japan being an officially Nintendo-held poll.
...OHHH MY GOD YOU MEAN "TO MY KNOWLEDGE" NOT A COMPANY LOL

No I don't recall any sort of Nintendo-held official poll pre-Ballot. Perhaps I'm wrong, i'm sure I am.

Well that was a weird misunderstanding. lol

 

[Nintrendo]

Only thing that's stopping me from committing to these more common choices is the fact that Hitagi said no one has outright guessed one of the names going around besides Steve. Square's got those seven names or whatever, but everything else seems up in the air.

I honestly don't know what to think at this point besides my strong feeling that both Steve and Sora are in.

Well Hitagi has also gone back on their word more than once
Said either Tekken,Virtua Fighter, or ARMS has a rep in dlc
Than said it was Tekken
Than said there isnt any other fighting game rep besides street fighter

Also gave who is believed to be the square rep when we all know that Square is keeping that name under lock and key whether it is Sora or whoever everyone knows we wont know until its revealed

 

[Shroob]

Dark skin is a weird anime trope where they don't actually look like any race. Her armor is not made to be effective it's made to look attractive/cute
She's some young puny girl who should not be a warrior and I hate those kinds of characters that incorporate all the anime tropes which all also happen to be as unrealistic as it gets.

You're reeeeeeeeally not helping your case when it sounds like you're saying "Her skin color is different, thus she's bad."


Especially when exists.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

Simon has one of the coolest references Sakurai has ever done to source material stuff. First link is the victory screen, 2nd is what it's referencing.

https://twitter.com/PJiggles_/status/1062152905107615745

https://twitter.com/OliKadTheGr8/status/1062159032050503680

 

[Grunky Peep]

Speaking of Geno, what if Sakurai uses Geno as a tool to hype DLC?
Though Geno missed his chances since Brawl.

Geno is in a confusing position at the moment.

Geno fans deserve a medal for all the **** they've gone through.

 

[T3Z3R1]

HAH! That took less time than I thought. Also it's 150 pages Noipoi

https://t.co/BSpjHey117

What the actual ****
is this guy real, actually why am i reminded of that time someone on /co/ made some disgusting fanfic regarding.. um.. Korra and some baby. and other time that someone was obsessed with tripcode user on /sp/, and he even made documents based on that ****

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I have a friend writing a multi-page thesis on why Jibanyan from Yokai-Watch should be one of the DLC characters. This isn't a joke.

But you see:

Yokai-Watch is irrelevant lol. It was popular longer than most Pokémon rip-offs, but it's since faded into obscurity along with the rest of them.

Convince Me Otherwise.

 

[JCDied4U]

Oof, that's....that's a yikes from me.

Can you not make dumb assumptions?

What was yikes about my post?

 

[Deleted member]

Can someone explain how you all feel about Geno's chances?

Also if there is any racism going on, I am leaving. I absolutely hate racism and bigotry.

Geno fans deserve a medal for all the **** they've gone through.

Geno fans have been in a ride ever since Brawl, and yet Geno was not disconfirmed but his fate is uncertain.
His position at the moment is weird.

 

[Roberk]

I think I am misunderstanding. I don't recall TMK Japan being an officially Nintendo-held poll.
...OHHH MY GOD YOU MEAN "TO MY KNOWLEDGE" NOT A COMPANY LOL

No I don't recall any sort of Nintendo-held official poll pre-Ballot. Perhaps I'm wrong, i'm sure I am.

Pretty sure there were a few official Japanese-only polls for Brawl and Melee.

 

[Grunky Peep]

My friend says he's also going for a 100 page essay at the minimum..

 

[Luigi The President]

Can someone explain how you all feel about Geno's chances?

Also if there is any racism going on, I am leaving. I absolutely hate racism and bigotry.

Geno fans have been in a ride ever since Brawl, and yet Geno was not disconfirmed but his fate is uncertain.
His position at the moment is weird.

Giving him a 15% chance at the moment
Geno undoubtedly did quite well in the Ballot, which is the best way to determine who will buy Smash characters.
The two big and very valid questions are if Nintendo truly thinks he'd sell and if so, would Squenix agree to have him over any other rep?

 

[Double K]

But you see:

Yokai-Watch is irrelevant lol. It was popular longer than most Pokémon rip-offs, but it's since faded into obscurity along with the rest of them.

Convince Me Otherwise.

Yo-Kai Watch is still quite popular and has a successful merchandise line and the games do well. It's not a merchandise giant, but it's more in the public conciousness than something like Digimon

This hurt me to type

 

[TheCJBrine]

Y'know, if Nintendo truly wanted to go promotional with DLC, you'd think they'd stick with their own characters instead of only part of the benefits from 3rd-party characters, in which they have to shell out a lot of money for negotiating the character from said company, as well as splitting the profits from the character's amiibo and DLC or whatever they do. Heh, some characters even cost a lot more money due to multiple parties being involved instead of just one other than Nintendo.

Though I don't know anything about business other than what I try to make sense of from stuff I see people say and other things, plus whatever my own common sense says so *shrug*

As for Geno, even if he's not in, at least Nintendo hasn't forgotten about him.

 

[UberPyro64]

Didn't she also imply a western character? And it's not Rayman so Crash would make sense.

Byleth/Edelgard, Crash, Erdrick/Slime, Katalina, Steve.

Remember, they also said they hadn't heard about fighting characters outside of Street Fighter. So it can't be Heihachi. Also didn't they confirm no Bandai Namco rep?

 

[ZephyrZ]

That character would look so out of place in Smash.

This again?

Super Smash Brothers has never had a consistent style. Why can one anthropomorphic animal look like while one looks like ? Why do we have anime-faced and stuck between the more realistic and super cartoonish ? Why do we have alongside ? Why is so large and the terrifying so small? What is the M-rated doing with the E-for-Everyone and ? How does or make any semblance of sense?

There are plenty of reasons to not expect or even want a character, but that their character design or art style not "meshing" is not one of them.

 

[Luigi The President]

Didn't she also imply a western character? And it's not Rayman so Crash would make sense.

Byleth/Edelgard, Crash, Erdrick/Slime, Katalina, Steve.

Remember, they also said they hadn't heard about fighting characters outside of Street Fighter. So it can't be Heihachi.

And they also said there'd be no Nintendo reps...

Hitagi contradicts themself a lot presumably as they learn new info.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Yo-Kai Watch is still quite popular and has a successful merchandise line and the games do well. It's not a merchandise giant, but it's more in the public conciousness than something like Digimon

This hurt me to type

Regardless, it's not large enough to warrant a slot in Smash.

Maybe if it were during the Yo-Kai Watch boom I'd say it's large enough, but it's proven itself to be a fad and didn't last long enough.

 

[Deleted member]

Dark skin is a weird anime trope where they don't actually look like any race. Her armor is not made to be effective it's made to look attractive/cute
She's some young puny girl who should not be a warrior and I hate those kinds of characters that incorporate all the anime tropes which all also happen to be as unrealistic as it gets.

Dude.

This is a game where you can play as a mutant squid child, a gorilla with a big tie, an obese crocodile with a bulging red eye, a fat mustache man who flies in the air by farting, and a scrawny, impossibly spikey-haired young man weilding a sword as big as himself with one hand and he glides instead of running.

It's. A. Video. Game. Chill.

 

[Double K]

This again?

Super Smash Brothers has never had a consistent style. Why can one anthropomorphic animal look like while one looks like ? Why do we have anime-faced and stuck between the more realistic and super cartoonish ? Why do we have alongside ? Why is so large and the terrifying so small? What is the M-rated doing with the E-for-Everyone and ? How does or make any semblance of sense?

There are plenty of reasons to not expect or even want a character, but that their character design or art style not "meshing" is not one of them.

Okay, to be fair I'd argue that Snake and Bayonetta are visually out of place, but for different reasons than most give either credit for

 

[JCDied4U]

So I can go on and talk about how every point in your post is BS, but uhh

holy **** dude, you might wanna take down that Confederate Flag from your avatar

Are you serious? Dark skin isn't bad, I was pointing out that it's an anime trope like blue hair which isn't a real thing for characters with asian/caucasian features. There's nothing wrong with darker skinned people smh y'all jump to scary conclusions

 

[ZephyrZ]

Okay, to be fair I'd argue that Snake and Bayonetta are visually out of place, but for different reasons than most give either credit for

My point is that characters aren't supposed to look like they belong together, not that they do. Because they don't.

 

[Grunky Peep]

Giving him a 15% chance at the moment
Geno undoubtedly did quite well in the Ballot, which is the best way to determine who will buy Smash characters.
The two big and very valid questions are if Nintendo truly thinks he'd sell and if so, would Squenix agree to have him over any other rep?

The fact that Square still holds on to the rights to a character they will never use again boggles my mind.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Y'know, if Nintendo truly wanted to go promotional with DLC, you'd think they'd stick with their own characters instead of only part of the benefits from 3rd-party characters, in which they have to shell out a lot of money for negotiating the character from said company, as well as splitting the profits from the character's amiibo and DLC or whatever they do. Heh, some characters even cost a lot more money due to multiple parties being involved instead of just one other than Nintendo.

Though I don't know anything about business other than what I try to make sense of from stuff I see people say and other things, plus whatever my own common sense says so *shrug*

As for Geno, even if he's not in, at least Nintendo hasn't forgotten about him.

3rd Party Characters are more popular than 1st Party Characters, and can also be promotional.

Monster Hunter being added would get a lot more attention and hype than Bandana Dee.

The fact that Square still holds on to the rights to a character they will never use again boggles my mind.

It happens all the time though.

See: Nintendo's IP Graveyard (Custom Robo, Advance Wars, various Retro series i.e. Star Tropics, Golden Sun, almost Fire Emblem, etc.)

 

[Deleted member]

Good lord, what the hell has happened to this thread in the past 24 hours? We went from one crazy topic to the next lol

 

[Shroob]

Are you serious? Dark skin isn't bad, I was pointing out that it's an anime trope like blue hair which isn't a real thing for characters with asian/caucasian features. There's nothing wrong with darker skinned people smh y'all jump to scary conclusions

And look how many characters we have with rainbow hair.


Why is a character with dark skin soo bad now? It's literally no different than what we have.



You can not like it all ya want, but of course you're going to be taken out of context when you're arguing SKIN COLOR of all things, especially nowadays.

 

[Double K]

My point is that characters aren't supposed to look like they belong together, not that they do. Because they don't.

Oh, no I'm trying to say that I think that visually they have uhh

issues with animations

It's why I don't want Steve in