Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[TMNTSSB4]

If Sakurai does move onto another Project, I hope he goes back to work on another new Kid Icarus game for a bit. Of course, it'd be interesting to see him work on another Kirby game for the first time in ages... Or a new IP, or work on some existing IPs in his own way.

i'd like platinum games to make the next kid icarus please.

Platinum Games, Bandai Namco, Retro Games, Next Level Games...Sakurai...all extremely valid choices to make another Kid Icarus game (aka the game series that doesn’t need a sequel...but is ****ing wanted)

I often find myself wanting there to never be another KI because I fear Nintendo might view gameplay of Sin & Punishment as too similar and pass on making a third, but then I remember they'll never make a 3rd S&P and my dislike of KI is irrational and unearned.
I really need a S&P3 though...

turn that hate into love for Kid Icarus

 

[Enchess]

Maybe Nintendo let Sakurai do his own thing for DLC and didn't mandate he make choices that will sell well. It may not sound likely, but it's possible.

Plus, speculation is incredibly boring if we aren't going to consider anyone who isn't "marketable"

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Also, "The greatest part of becoming an adult is that I don't get mad at Smash news anymore lol"
Japan has no chill whatsoever.

It's true though.

It's entertaining watching all ya'll freak out over this game while I'm over here simply waiting for the game because I know it'll be great.

 

[Roberk]

Question: Why do people keep expecting a Three Houses rep for DLC? I thought that it was well known at this point that DLC was planned back in 2015, so why would a 2019 game that only got 2 minutes of footage at E3 2018 be anywhere on the radar for DLC? The same thing is going on with a potential Gen 8 rep. It just doesn't make sense for the context of the known restrictions on DLC.

 

[NineS]

what if dragon quests slime got in before geno or sora?

I'd die of happiness. Aside from a NieR character, the Dragon Quest slime is my most wanted and most nostalgic character.

I'm a simple man.

 

[Buzzwole]

what if dragon quests slime got in before geno or sora?

As much as I prefer Geno, it'd make sense to put Slime in.
Dragon Quest's popularity in Japan is ridiculous. It'd be a big deal, and Slime is sort of the series' mascot. I'm sure they could give it a fun moveset too.

 

[StormC]

Keep in mind after DLC wraps up (February 2020, presumably), Sakurai will have been working on Smash non-stop for eight years.

Dude's gotta take a vacation... right?

 

[Will]

>Metal Cavern still isn't in the game

It better be DLC if one character doesn't necessarily need a stage for itself (FE, Mach Rider, etc.).

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

what if dragon quests slime got in before geno or sora?

Then we're living in the worst timeline.

At least give me Erdrick man.

 

[Deleted member]

It's true though.

It's entertaining watching all ya'll freak out over this game while I'm over here enjoying the ride.

Yeah, I rarely get mad at Smash news too.

 

[Amiibo Doctor]

Keep in mind after DLC wraps up (February 2020, presumably), Sakurai will have been working on Smash non-stop for eight years.

Dude's gotta take a vacation... right?

DLC is his vacation. On to Smash 6!
(Honestly the guy had better be making 7 figures in USD, or I'm gonna be complaining to Nintendo about not loving this man enough.)

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Dee.

Eee, Eff, Gee...

 

[StormC]

Both Dragon Quest and Kingdom Hearts are equally levels of screwed up licensing issues. If it came down to it, I would guess Sora would get in first due to more global popularity. But a DQ character isn't off the table, I suppose.

 

[ErenJager]

As much as I prefer Geno, it'd make sense to put Slime in.
Dragon Quest's popularity in Japan is ridiculous. It'd be a big deal, and Slime is sort of the series' mascot. I'm sure they could give it a fun moveset too.

Slime Goomba and a Plant Goomba for DLC?

 

[RyuhoFox]

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Seems the people who hate Incineroar in the east are as nonsensical as the ones over here

 

[Shroob]

Honestly, if any DQ character can get in, I "WANT" it to be Slime.


The idea of having it transform for all of its moves into the hundreds of other variations seems novel and fun. Its dash attack could be summoning a little knight to jab with a lance as a Slime Knight, its grab could be it turning into a Heal Slime, etc.

 

[doomedtacox]

Then we're living in the worst timeline.

At least give me Erdrick man.

What's wrong with slime? Slimes are dope af.

 

[Deleted member]

Seems the people who hate Incineroar in the east are as nonsensical as the ones over here

Looks like us Westerners have a lot more in common with Japan than we think.

 

[Idon]

Question: Why do people keep expecting a Three Houses rep for DLC? I thought that it was well known at this point that DLC was planned back in 2015, so why would a 2019 game that only got 2 minutes of footage at E3 2018 be anywhere on the radar for DLC? The same thing is going on with a potential Gen 8 rep. It just doesn't make sense for the context of the known restrictions on DLC.

Because Sakurai can predict the future and put in a character from a game that hadn't even been thought up of yet.

Real answer: we've had 2 promotional fire emblem characters and people expect a 3rd.

 

[SigmaMewtwo]

Also, "The greatest part of becoming an adult is that I don't get mad at Smash news anymore lol"
Japan has no chill whatsoever.

This is actually me (not that I ever got mad about Smash news when I was younger either). In fact, every bit of news we've gotten has only gotten me more pumped for the game.

 

[Deleted member]

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Incineroar placed well on polls though...

 

[Royalty1702]

There's. A big reason he ain't a Mii Costume. He...physically cannot be one.

True but you get my point. He's not anywhere in the Direct. Not as a spirit (assuming Spirits deconfirm characters). Not as an AT. Nothing, even though he's one of the most requested characters in the poll.

"Bandana Dee can still be a spirit we haven't seen."

Maybe but it seems unlikely considering he's a really popular character and would have gotten revealed ASAP, especially when considering Sakurai doesn't view Spirits as deconfirms. He views them as having characters who aren't fighter participate in the match, like Assist Trophies.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

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So the Japanese want Steve huh?

japan is so ****ing savage, i love it

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Both Dragon Quest and Kingdom Hearts are equally levels of screwed up licensing issues. If it came down to it, I would guess Sora would get in first due to more global popularity. But a DQ character isn't off the table, I suppose.

I feel like Nintendo would be able to pull something off with Disney. They already have a good partnership with Disney streaming some Nintendo events on TV, and the two even worked show together based off of the Nintendo Switch.

Come to think of it...the show's announcement came out around the time we began hearing about the SE Rep...

I swear if a ****ty Disney Channel series is what brings us Sora in Smash I'll be forever grateful to Disney Channel.

 

[MainJPW]

[laughs in piranha plant]

Can’t help but think of this tweet after reading your comment.

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[Enchess]

Platinum Games, Bandai Namco, Retro Games, Next Level Games...Sakurai...all extremely valid choices to make another Kid Icarus game (aka the game series that doesn’t need a sequel...but is ****ing wanted)

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I want to love KI:U, I really do. I love the NES and Gameboy KIs. KI:U was just too familiar feeling to S&P, and I like those games so much more.

I'm fully aware I didn't give KI:U a fair shot, but I don't think I can separate it from my feelings of disappointment that S&P2 didn't lead to more.

 

[Kingslime304]

Since Piranha Plant has been revealed as a Fight in Smash Bros., which Fire Emblem Generic Unit would you have? (Y'know, for fun)

Personally I want Troubador (Based on the Fates design) and give him a more darker tone in his design (Like Simon) since Fire Emblem's settings are based on war, and the playable units themselves are a lot more colorful when compared to the more down to earth designs of the enemy units. To me, I think a small pink boy in a small horse that kicks ass with tomes and staffs like Freeze, debuffs, and minor healing would be great and unique for Smash.

 

[StormC]

It was not confirmed that DLC was locked in 2015. Sakurai was only talking about Rex not being able to make the base game.

Given the Rex costume and Spring-Man AT though, it's safe to bet he's probably not going to add these types of "promo" characters this time around.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Hey! Don't say that word! We don't ever say the N word around here.


i wouldn't mind that. I actually hope we primarily get 3rd party characters, but if they're all 1st Party I think I could live with that.

beating up on character with Mipha's or BotW Zelda's Spirit
beating up on a character with the Hero's Shade Spirit, himself in the future who seems to have been murdered. Or beat up a Saria Spirit.
beating up on a female character with his Wife and Sister's spirits
beating up on a young Zelda spirit or regular OoT Zelda spirit

beating up on an Aerith Spirit.

beating up Poochy's sprit.
beating up Cranky, Tiny, Lanky, Chunky and even Wrinkly spirits.
beating up a Dixie spirit.
beating up spirits of Mona, Jimmy T., Ashley and the rest of his workers (he's greedy, yes, but he doesn't usually physically abuse them).

Yeah, it's official, Galeem is a complete monster.

"Tohou being in Smash has lower odds than it's fans having girlfriends"
Holy Jeebuz, man. Give the heaters a rest, that's one shot too many!

I thought some of the comments in here were mean, but this is downright killing people's dignity.

Bandana Dee: Absent from Dedede's victory pose as well as not sighted as a spirit
Tibby: Not spotted as a spirit as well as Rhythm Heaven's Japan Popularity
Elma: Only one Xenoblade X spirit found.

I've had enough of the "literal who" arguments. I'm tired of characters being dismissed because another is more popular and would sell better. If it's true that Sakurai planned to have the DLC characters in the base game, then clearly his goal isn't to sell more. And seeing Smash 4 with Lucas and Roy, I think Sakurai cares more about uniqueness and what he thinks would be good for Smash more than who's more popular.

DLC speculation here is going to be ****ing boring and not fun if people are going to be dismissed left and right because of popularity and how much they'd sell.

Box Theory 2: Electric Boogaloo.

Fortunately though we honestly don't have any 100% concrete idea of who's next, since Verg relies on hearsay at the moment, compared to his correct leaks from before. It's a bit of a game of telephone overall (especially when the topic of Minecraft is brought up).

 

[Idon]

What's wrong with slime? Slimes are dope af.

Slimes aren't as dope as an actual character playable protagonist.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

japan is so ****ing savage, i love it

Well, I can already tell you, that in my case, the latter one there, is very wrong.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Let's do something dumb...
Pick 1 Newcomer from each Smash game that best represents that game as a whole. (Not your mains or anything... Just the one with the most ties to that game)

Smash 64
Melee
Brawl
Smash 4
Ultimate

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

What's wrong with slime? Slimes are dope af.

Why use the generic mook

When you can use the main protagonist?

It's like if Megaman were represented by a Metataur instead of Megaman. It's just wrong.

 

[Dixie Kong]

Would it be safe to say that Castlevania and Metroid fans were the bigggest “winners” this cycle?

 

[Royalty1702]

I think you may be overselling him a bit. If Sakurai was going to intentionally hold back a first party character because they're popular enough to sell as dlc it would have been Ridley or K. Rool.

I don't think Ridley and K. Rool are as iconic as Waddle Dees are.

 

[Deleted member]

"Banjo-Kazooie isn't even THAT popular on a global scale. He's notable, but he's not that iconic on the levels of Simon and Sonic"

Japan:

 

[Impa4Smash]

I don't think Ridley and K. Rool are as iconic as Waddle Dees are.

Whoa there, partner. Not so sure about that

 

[Deleted member]

I can't. Why is Japan so savage? lol

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

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I can't. Why is Japan so savage? lol

4chan is similarly savage when they're not blatantly trolling or offending anyone.

Honesty is brutal.

 

[StormC]

Why use the generic mook

When you can use the main protagonist?

It's like if Megaman were represented by a Metataur instead of Megaman. It's just wrong.

I agree, but DQ also doesn't really have a single character as recognizable as Slime, at least globally. Erdrick would probably be more iconic to Japanese gamers, but he's more of a literal who globally. I'd assume they would go with Erdrick, but I can't rule out Slime these days.