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Waluigi is not a villain, but King K. Rool would be a solid pick. Kamek maybe.
Really? How different is Hades' personality in the Japanese version of Uprising?
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That's almost my exact prediction roster I posted earlier lol. Hopefully this ends up being the case.
I agree, a large villainous anthropomorphized pig creature who's known for his magical prowess is a must have for Smash.
So, I was right. Nintendo sucks at characterization.
If it does, I do not think it will be in the same way. I could see the Nintendo Versus Twitter page doing something maybe. In any case I reckon we will probably start seeing something from E3 onwards and not before hand. E3 will be the big blowout so they can then slowly delve into details from that point onward.
(kinda like a zoner too?)(poorly) (he has really bad range though)(ideally, but in practice turns out super mobile)(also has a lot of zoning potential) (I wish he wasn't so passive competitively) (differentiates himself from heavies in range and size)(maybe Sakurai will make him a solid zoner again)(poorly)(kinda like a Zoner too?)(why Sakurai; she was going to be my main)
I reckon if Shovel Knight got in he would be like a sword wielder, but it would be nice if he also had that more mobile offensive comboy-ness to him as he is pretty quick and mobile in his game.So I was tinkering around with character archetypes as a way to help balance characters. I feel if characters actually fit to an archetype (with fairly balanced strengths and weaknesses), it would help prevent them from being too polarizing.
Here is the Smash 4 roster (along with cut Brawl veterans). A lot of the veterans either do a lot more than their archetype or don't even perform their archetype well at all. Nonetheless, I feel these are what Sakurai wanted the characters to feel like.
Sword (fencer archtype):
Mobile Offensive (super mobile with strong combo game):
(he's complicated)
Neutral Offensive (average mobility with strong combo game):
Slow Offensive (below average mobility or range with strong combo game):
Zoner/Projectile (keeps people at a distance; dominant newcomer archetype):
Heavy (large size and range):
Featherweight (small size and range):
Duo character:
Wtf customs character:
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Potential Newcomer Archetype:
Inkling: Zoner (confirmed)
Rex and Pyra: Sword
Celica: sword, maybe zoner
Midna + Wolf Link: Heavy? (maybe neutral offensive)
Rayman: Neutral Offensive
Crash: same as Rayman
Bandanna Dee: Mix of featherweight and sword
Palutena designed better: practically any archetype, maybe zoner or Mobile Offensive
Chorus Kids: Trio character???
Dixie: Neutral Offensive
King K rool: Heavy (maybe heavy zoner like dedede)
Decidueye: Zoner
Takamaru: Zoner, maybe Sword
Excite Bike: lol
Ridley: Heavy
Paper Mario: Zoner, maybe Sword (honestly I can't think of an interesting moveset for him)
Isabelle: Zoner like Villager
Ashley: Zoner like Duck Hunt
Impa: Sword or maybe Mobile Offensive
Isaac: Sword or Zoner
Spring Man: Sword (on steroids)
Let me know if you have any other newcomer ideas that fit some of these archetypes!
Going back to this, as someone pointed out, Camillia isn't really a villian. Expanding on that more, even as an antagonist in birthright and revelations she really doesn't do much.
I like some of the things you have going on here, but others just seem very unlikely.I suppose I may as well throw my roster prediction on here. This roster assumes that transformations do not return, all of the DLC/roster updates for the game has been released, and there are no cuts in the transition from Smash 4 to Smash 5. Also the program I was using for this did not have renders for Link and Zelda's incarnations from The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, so just pretend they're there.
In total, 84 characters. 61 veterans (including Pichu returning from Melee and Ice Climbers and Wolf returning from Brawl) along with 23 newcomers. Reasons for many of the choices in this roster are listed below:
Thoughts?
- Roster Size: 84 characters sounds like a lot, especially when compared to the 58-character roster. My prediction is that this game will be a service-type deal, and Nintendo will continually support the game throughout the Switch's lifespan. As such, I can see us continually getting free updates to the roster, among other things, for a few years after the game is initially released. What will the base roster be then? No real way to tell, though if I had to guess it'd start out less than Smash 4's roster. How often will the roster get updates? Again, no real way to tell, though I think it'll be more frequent than the DLC characters in Smash 4 at least. Why do I predict this? This seems to be a trend Nintendo has been doing, with Splatoon 2, ARMS, and Super Mario Odyssey (to a degree) implementing it. I can see it being done with Smash 5, and it would honestly be a good way to take the series.
- Not Cuts: I'm predicting this game will be using a lot from Smash 4, from the physics engine to the overall game flow. I understand that Smash 4 was built upon Brawl, but I feel this is a case more like the relationship between Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash and Mario Tennis Aces, or Splatoon or Splatoon 2. As such, considering they already have the characters all set and ready, it makes zero since to cut any of them when they can just be ported over nice and easy. All you really need to do is tweak em a bit so they're slightly different and feel new / better (or in the case of Link, completely different).
- Clones: This has been stated many, many times, but cutting the clones to save time is really counterproductive considering they take almost no work at all compared to a traditional character. As for the clones I selected? I'm predicting all three from Smash 4 will make the return at least. As for the other three, they can be interchangeable depending on what Sakurai wants. I used Pichu, a cut veteran, Alph, a character who was meant to be in Smash 4 but was regulated to a costume due to time constrains, and Ribbon Girl, a character who could add more representation to a new franchise.
- Mario Characters: Toad I feel is a lot more likely than Captain Toad. He's been apart of the series since the original Super Mario Bros. on NES, has been in almost every Mario game since, and has become one of the most iconic characters in the series. That should NOT be overlooked just because another Toad ended up getting his own spin-off. Plus, from what I hear, the general consensus of Captain Toad jumping is a big no-no, which is another reason I feel Toad is more likely. As for Paper Mario, he represents the RPG branch of the Mario series that has yet to be represented; I feel now is the time for him to be added, as stuff from Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam in particular could make him a real unique fighter. As much as I'd like a partner-based moveset more, I don't see it happening as those games have bee long gone and Nintendo probably doesn't even want to acknowledge their existence at this point. I understand nine sounds like a lot of characters, but Mario just has a lot of characters. It's Nintendo's flagship franchise, and it's almost impossible to say it's bloating the roster when the franchise in question is the sole reason Nintendo is as big as it is today.
- Kamek: I added Kamek as a second Yoshi rep. Probably personal bias, and I know I may be more prone than the average bear to recognize stuff like this, but the Yoshi series has been getting a lot more attention as of late, what with Yoshi's Woolly World, it's 3DS port, and the new game coming on Switch. I feel this is a sign that Yoshi may get more attention in Smash; Kamek is a pipe dream, though I fully expect some actual trophies this time around.
- Donkey Kong characters: Dixie Kong had the recent comeback thanks to Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, and King K. Rool I imagine scored pretty high on the ballot, which I assume many of the newcomers will be based off of. Both of them are pretty likely in my book.
- The Legend of Zelda characters: Link was revealed in his The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild incarnation in the teaser, implying that will be his default look in the game. I'd assume Zelda will be getting her appearance in this game as well, and I think both will get a new moveset. Because of that, I think it would make since to keep Toon Link and introduce Toon Zelda so both of them can inherent the old movesets. As for Impa... really she can be interchangeable with any other The Legend of Zelda character. Impa I feel is the most likely out of them, though other viable candidates that come to mind are Skull Kid, Midna, and the Champions.
- Metroid characters: I cannot see Ridley making the roster after what Sakurai has said about him. I'd like for him to be in, but being one of the few characters Sakurai has actually talked about, I can't see him ever making the cut until we get a new director. Furthermore, I don't really see Metroid getting a third rep anyway, even with Metroid Prime 4 on the way as that game is probably coming out too late.
- Ninten: I feel the addition of Ninten would be a good way to round up the MOTHER series; Ninten reps the first game, Ness reps the second game, and Lucas reps the third game.
- ARMS characters: I understand that ARMS has been in the talk lately and some believe it may not make the initial roster. I believe that too, though if my roster update prediction is correct, I feel we may see Spring Man coming after the game is released. ARMS is the Nintendo Switch's first IP, and it makes sense to include it at some point. As for why I predict Spring Man? Literally only because he is the poster child of the series. I understand that some argue that there are more interesting characters, like Min Min and Dr. Coyle, but that literally does not matter. It's like having Pokemon in Smash but not Pikachu. Ribbon Girl is also present on the roster, who has been discussed.
- Pokemon characters: I can't see Gen VIII making the roster. Not only did we just get done with Gen VII, but Smash 5 is coming out this year. WAY too late. The Gen VII Pokemon I picked, Decidueye, could be interchangeable with any other Pokemon from that generation; Incenaroar, Primarina, Lurantis, Mimmikyu, Magearna, Buzzwole, Pheromosa, and so on. Meloetta is also on the roster. Again, this can be interchangeable with another Pokemon rep, though I feel Meloetta has potential with her unique formes; this can probably be utilized as a pseudo-transformation, which changes hr stats. I'll be devoting a future post to a possible moveset for her, but the potential is there. There is also the inclusion of Pichu, who I already addressed. As for Squirtle and Ivyaur... look, I like them just as much as the next guy, but I don't think there's much hope for either of them; Charizard is a lot more iconic than them and reps Gen I starters well enough on his own.
- Waddle Dee: Waddle Dee has been a hot topic lately, though personally I think he has a shot. Back when the Smash 4 roster was decided, he really only had one major appearance in Kirby's Return to Dream Land. Now, Waddle Dee has shown that he's becoming a recurring character, so I think now is as good of a time as ever to add him.
- Celica: Yall are getting another Fire Emblem character weather you like it or not. I'm putting an 80% wager on Celica, though someone else may be present instead.
- Dillon: With his new game coming to Switch, I think he lucked out with the roster this time around. If that's not perfect timing idk what is.
- Rhythm Heaven character: The series I feel could make for an interesting rep. This roster used a "Rhythm Troupe" idea someone had, though you can change it with any Rhythm Heaven character you like.
- Star Man: Star Man from Pro Wrestling is my prediction for this game's obscure retro rep. What Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B., and Duck Hunt all have in common, above all else, is that they're surprise characters, who are meant to appear as a total surprise when they are revealed (or leaked). A few suggestions I hear don't really fit this criteria - Takamaru, Balloon Fighter, Excitebiker, Ayumi, Urban Champion, all of em have been previously considered by Sakurai and turned down. Another candidate I keep hearing, Sheriff, doesn't fit either simply because of his Assist Trophy appearance in Smash 4. As such, a new rep needs to be someone not considered or predicted before, and Pro Wrestling fits that description to a tee.
- Rex: He's in the same boat with Spring Man / Ribbon Girl; he probably won't make the base roster but he definitely will be added eventually. Not to mention Xenoblade Chronicles 2 sold over a million copies in its first week (iirc), and Sakurai himself personally wrote an essay on how much he enjoyed the game.
- Virdi: Considering Sakurai helms Kid Icarus now, I can see him adding a new character. Viridi is really the only one I see as likely though; Medusa and Hades don't have a snowball's chance in hell imho
- Third Parties: All four new third parties I selected can be interchangeable, these are just the ones I'd want, personal bias. Crash has been recently revived and has been a major icon on the PlayStation, especially in Japan in his early days. Rabbid Mario is currently my most-wanted character in the game - Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle is fueled with a lot of personality and fun, and a moveset involving various weapons from the game would be very interesting. Minecraft I feel has become too big to ignore; it has already hit Nintendo consoles and is the second-best selling game of all time (if memory serves). Lastly, if indies are to be considered, Shantae would be my go-to pick. Shovel Knight and Lilac I feel are also likely, and you can change her with whoever you want.
EDIT: I also wanna point out that, as this is made with the prediction Smash 5 will be a service-type game, several Switch games with potential newcomers could be released. As such, this roster is subject to change.
thems the breaks!
They've already been doing it for games like ARMS and Splatoon 2, and as far as I'm aware it's been received pretty well.
I mentioned that Meloetta could be intechangeable with any other Pokemon rep; she was just the one I picked as I saw some potential in her. Same could be said for Pichu, depending on what clones Sakurai feels he could include. I just picked her because it brought back another cut veteran. Frankly I don't see why Toon Zelda is so out of the question, as I explained that her place in the roster would be justified if Zelda got a new moveset and she'd retain the old moveset.
Decidueye's already on the roster ya goof
Looks like a missed a few things. WhoopsThey've already been doing it for games like ARMS and Splatoon 2, and as far as I'm aware it's been received pretty well.
There's also the fact that lately Nintendo has earned themselves the title of not being ****ty when it comes to DLC/updates, so I'll trust them with it.
I mentioned that Meloetta could be intechangeable with any other Pokemon rep; she was just the one I picked as I saw some potential in her. Same could be said for Pichu, depending on what clones Sakurai feels he could include. I just picked her because it brought back another cut veteran. Frankly I don't see why Toon Zelda is so out of the question, as I explained that her place in the roster would be justified if Zelda got a new moveset and she'd retain the old moveset.
Decidueye's already on the roster ya goof
For me, it depends on what exactly Classic Mode entails. If Classic Mode is anything like Super Smash Bros. for Wii U, then **** me over.
"Beat true all-star without using healing items"
I don't consider either likely, but Steve has a merit that Banjo doesn't: Steve would be able to bring in a new audience.
Did you count all the unique alts as well for your roster rivals? >.>
Didn’t you only have to do that once? It wasn’t like beating All-Star on 7.0+ with everyone, which was a headache of a time sink. >_<
Yes but doing it with the amount of characters in Smash 4 was pushing it. Having to stay alive against 70 characters with no healing would be insane.
I'm expecting 5-7 newcomers, a roster of no more than 65 characters, and possible cuts.
