Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[BrytonJ]

Doesn't it seem more likely that (if Banjo is in smash bros) the E3 meeting with Phil Spencer and Nintendo was more likely to check on progress? It seems pretty unlikely that that would be the point where they'd get the rights, to me at least.

 

[G Rank Zinogre]

Just FYI on whether it's legal or not to make something with another company's proporties without actual permissions to do so, it's an incredibly common practice. Sakurai himself did that to get approval on Smash, and more recently, Ubisoft did that for the Starfox appearances in Starlink.

 

[Deleted member]

A source is claiming that despite Isaac, Chorus Kids, and Ken being likely, one of the other banner characters seems to be an assist, making the leak fake....

Must be Shadow

 

[Wiziliz]

A source is claiming that despite Isaac, Chorus Kids, and Ken being likely, one of the other banner characters seems to be an assist, making the leak fake....

>a source claiming
>making the leak fake...
Hmm...

 

[EndlessPillows]

Been following the grinch leak for awhile and although I don't have any valuable info or opinions to add, I thought I would throw this together quickly for everyone's amusement.

 

[SAMation]

Well, there are a lot of actually possible non-video game reps, Mickey and Goku (fite me) being the obvious most likely picks.

I’m just gonna say about the non video game reps, it’s like a 0.01% chance of happening. And if it does, we’d only get one character and that’s it. Anymore would end up turning smash into MUGEN instead of a Nintendo + Gaming fighting game. I can’t ever see any hasbro character getting in, but that’s my opinion and you can have yours.

 

[Wiziliz]

Sakurai openly admitted to considering James Bond for Melee lol I’m not saying a non-video video game rep is likely but Sakurai does whatever he wants

That was a good while before it was implemented that Smash was a celebration of video games, rather than just a big, crazy platform fighter crossover.

 

[Robertman2]

Fall Out Pip Boy confirmed for Smash

can't wait to play as wrist computer

 

[IMainKingKRool]

A source is claiming that despite Isaac, Chorus Kids, and Ken being likely, one of the other banner characters seems to be an assist, making the leak fake....

we understand how popular golden sun's isaac was in brawl, so just for you we've brought his assist trophy back! also we reinstated little mac's assist status and helirin is a new playable fighter

 

[GreenKirby]

what if banjo IS an AT?

https://twitter.com/grantkirkhope/status/1056018619807584256?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Banjo-Kazooie composer doubts the leak.
Hopefully this means nothing, as Microsoft owns the rights to the music, not him.

Grant Kirkhope is a free agent composer now. He would not know whether or not Banjo is in the game.

 

[AugustusB]

So Mystic is 'claiming' one of the Grinch banner characters is an Assist?

Is that speculation on his part? Or is it a my source said situation?

EDIT: saw someone say source.

 

[supercopper64]

Why is it impossible to consider that maybe Banjo has been in the development process since the beginning, and the Phil Spencer meeting at E3 was Nintendo presenting to Phil how far they had come with the character. Maybe Papageno’s inside information (if true) isn’t correct but somewhere in the ballpark

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Man, I really don't like how peoples are taking TeamWhatever so seriously.

We shouldn't fight against each other to prove a point, we should all work together to find the truth, cruel as it may be.

Hear, hear on that.

No matter what the outcome, we fight for the truth, with all we've got.

 

[Spatman]

Basically, this one credible guy is claiming that Isaac, Ken, and Chorus Kids are almost certainly in, but one of the other characters in the leak is actually an assist trophy... Also, he's not quite sure on Geno. He seems conflicted about him... Actually, he sounds conflicted about everything...
He privated his twitter after that

Aside of Shadow and Geno, I don't see any character fitting as assist trophy, and making Geno an assist trophy would be an horrible slap in the face of his fans after all these years

 

[Kuon]

Oh boy, look at the time. Yep, it's that time again; time to talk about the potential inclusion of non-videogame characters. Are we really talking about the possibility of non-videogame characters again? Haven't we beaten this dead horse enough? It's not happening.

 

[KMDP]

Doesn't it seem more likely that (if Banjo is in smash bros) the E3 meeting with Phil Spencer and Nintendo was more likely to check on progress? It seems pretty unlikely that that would be the point where they'd get the rights, to me at least.

Why is it impossible to consider that maybe Banjo has been in the development process since the beginning, and the Phil Spencer meeting at E3 was Nintendo presenting to Phil how far they had come with the character. Maybe Papageno’s inside information (if true) isn’t correct but somewhere in the ballpark

This is the more likely assumption, yes.

 

[P.Kat]

Hey everyone, it's been a while since I checked on things here just wanted to see how you all are doi-

*Team Real, Team Fake intensifies, and an avalanche of Grinch memes*

*gulp*

let's do this.

 

[VGPhaze]

Just FYI on whether it's legal or not to make something with another company's proporties without actual permissions to do so, it's an incredibly common practice. Sakurai himself did that to get approval on Smash, and more recently, Ubisoft did that for the Starfox appearances in Starlink.

Also they created the Mario model before having approval to make Mario + Rabbids from Nintendo and used it as proof of concept in front of Miyamoto haha

 

[amazonevan19]

Disappointment again. So tomorrow’s it for a smash direct announcement, otherwise it’s another week of torture

 

[Deleted member]

Hey everyone, it's been a while since I checked on things here just wanted to see how you all are doi-

*Team Real, Team Fake intensifies, and an avalanche of Grinch memes*

*gulp*

let's do this.

*Brawl version of the Love Theme starts playing*

 

[LetterO]

Any updates on the Grinch leak since Mystic said one person was an AT?

 

[Wiziliz]

Disappointment again. So tomorrow’s it for a smash direct announcement, otherwise it’s another week of torture

I'm betting on another week of torture, and the Direct is on the eighth of November.

EDIT: Auto-Emojis, how do I turn them off?

 

[TheMilkmann]

Did grinch theory die overnight?

 

[Michele]

Wait a minute guys, there is a investor meeting for Nintendo on 30th October. Or 31st, not sure. But I think there's supposed to be a Direct after that date, just not immediately.

 

[AugustusB]

Wait a minute guys, there is a investor meeting for Nintendo on 30th October. Or 31st, not sure. But I think there's supposed to be a Direct after that date, just not immediately.

You got a source on that?

 

[Omega Tyrant]

Since everyone on here is apparently a big brain on how long it takes to develop a Smash character, pretty sure Sakurai stated during DLC that each character takes at least 6 months to complete.
>Meeting was at E3 in June
>Game releases in December

Oof

Sakurai never said such, his statement clearly states they take over a year to create. His words:

“I get the planning for each character done remarkably quickly. For example, after learning about Greninja and its abilities one evening, by late night I had already completed the design for that character’s moves and features.”

The process, however, of actually creating a character often takes well over a year, where we are constantly working on the model, the animations, the audio and the balancing. For the game balance we have a testing team playing almost every day and we make adjustments based on their results. I was working from morning to night with my responsibilities as director, so I was only able to spend Wednesday evenings and weekends on the balance.”

Also Sonic was only added because he could have been rushed.
That's why his moveset is so bland, this really couldn't have been done with many other characters.

No Sonic was added mid-development in Brawl because:

1: He was the most demanded character for Smash by a massive margin, and Mario/Nintendo vs. Sonic/Sega was a really huge deal at the time.

2: DLC was not possible on the Wii, it was then or never situation, Sakurai had to add Sonic mid-development or he would lose the opportunity to have him in Brawl at all.

Neither of these two situations are ever going to happen again, and we're not going to see such a situation repeat in Smash for any non-clone character.

 

[SAMation]

Disappointment again. So tomorrow’s it for a smash direct announcement, otherwise it’s another week of torture

Don’t get your hopes up, I’ve been banking on next week for a while now to avoid the continuous week-to-week disappointment.

 

[Amiibo Doctor]

Did grinch theory die overnight?

No but Betty White did.

 

[Bladebreaker]

Wait a minute guys, there is a investor meeting for Nintendo on 30th October. Or 31st, not sure. But I think there's supposed to be a Direct after that date, just not immediately.

It would be kind of hard for there to be a meeting of any kind on November 31st.

 

[Raxxel]

Did grinch theory die overnight?

I think it's strong as ever, actually. But at this point, the only thing that will end this debate is a direct.

 

[SAMation]

No but Betty White did.

You scared me

 

[Squirtle/Mario guy]

Why not all of them but as alternative costume.

YEs what someone would think but how'd u make the character feel (or kinda feel) like your playing as them, i tried it once and it blowed

 

[Robertman2]

I might break a chair if Mystic's AT is Geno......

I'd die of laughter as the Smash fanbase burns

 

[GreenKirby]

To those saying that you can't create a character in a three months.

The ballot ended on October 2015 and Bayonetta was revealed on December the same year.

That means it's TOTALLY possible that they can make a functioning character in a quarter year.

I mean, it's not like Nintendo/Sakurai LIED about the ballot? Did they??????

lol

 

[CannonStreak]

I might break a chair if Mystic's AT is Geno......

You should break into Sakurai’s office and break one of those colored chairs that got people talking about chair theory.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Did grinch theory die overnight?

Kinda, I guess...

 

[Michele]

You got a source on that?

Um, I don't have a source, sorry.

I just remembered about the investor thing, just now. I'm sorry. Maybe I'm a bit too obessed, but I'm pretty sure there's supposed to always be a direct announcement after that date.

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

To those saying that you can't create a character in a three months.

The ballot ended on October 2015 and Bayonetta was revealed on December the same year.

That means it's TOTALLY possible that they can make a functioning character in a quarter year.

I mean, it's not like Nintendo/Sakurai LIED about the ballot? Did they??????

lol

They lied basically cause Bayo's files were in the game since April

 

[Fatmanonice]

The notion that Sakurai was developing Banjo for over two years without the rights secured is simply ludicrous, and I don't know how there are people here and on reddit that legitimate believe that could happen.

Well, there is a loophole... Maybe he wasn't developing Banjo and Kazooie, but Blanjo and Blazooie, if you get what I'm saying. Sakurai saw how popular Banjo was back in 2015 and developed a BEAR bones concept, largely confident that Rare wouldn't say no later, kind of like how Iwata lied to the world at E3 05 about a Smash game being in development despite literally begging Sakurai to make one days later. Oh, there were plans but it was Melee with online, improved graphics, and maybe a few new characters. If Rare said no, they'd just scrap it but if yes, it would have saved them a buttload of work.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

No but Betty White did.

You ****, you scared the hell out of me.
Betty White will live forever.

Anyway, I'm going to continue to cautiously believe that the Grinch leak might be real, I can only hope.