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It's not about dropping him mid development. It's about withholding the character on purpose for incentive reasons. MANY publishers do it now, and we need to understand that it wouldn't be beneath Nintendo to do it. I could imagine Incineroar is completed, and because he's a very popular Pokemon character, he's being withheld to get the younger/pokemon audience to buy the online.Regardless of whether or not he's an incentive for purchasing online, I still can't see Incineroar being DLC. I just can't picture a scenario where Incineroar gets dropped mid-development and all these insiders mysteriously feel more confident with him than they do with any other character on the banner, minus Ken.
Okay, so each character did not take two months to develop, they took closer to a year.Characters are obviously developed simultaneously, and judging by when their data was first in the game (1.0.6 for Cloud/Bayo, and 1.0.8 for Corrin), Cloud and Corrin took at absolute minimum eight months to develop, and Bayonetta took ten. Additionally corners were obviously cut for their development, with all of them starting development cloned off another character (datamining showing Cloud and Corrin were cloned off of Ike and Bayonetta off of Zero Suit Samus), and the very glaring balance issues they all have that shows their balance testing was clearly rushed (especially release Bayonetta). And that was with the development team focused entirely on them alongside a few stages and balance adjustments.
You know... it's not because YOU and others people didn't heard about them that it means others doesn't know their credibilityOr you know, this random insider we've barely heard anything about aside from these sudden Smash leaks is wrong.
Regardless, at this point I think it's safe to say Isaac, Shadow, Ken, and maybe Chorus Kids are all safe
Didn't he already say Geno is in?I might break a chair if Mystic's AT is Geno......
How is he right? We have no proof of that either.How is he wrong?
Oh wait, you're just one of those insider deniers, aren't you?
Lol exactly. All these new characters on top of old characters with new animations and moves, we would be waiting a helluva lot longer than we have.Morning Grinchbros, how are we feeling about the leak on this fine day? Any development during the night?
Also wanted to say: there's no way it takes a year to develop a character, I think Sakurai kind of exagerated with that statement so I wouldn't take that as an argument against Papageno's theory.
They were considering dlc at what time? During development of the game?And to add to that, Sakurai said that they were considering DLC at that time. DLC came after release.
there's no way I can not be angry if this happens regardless of the final roster, i'm sorry. especially if the actual square enix character is another Final Fantasy character or something.I might break a chair if Mystic's AT is Geno......
Not gonna lie, I was on the Bandanna Dee hype train, but thanks to the Grinch thing, I got too caught up on Incineroar and Chorus Kids to even careThis board for pretty much this past week:
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ok, but you replied to my post where all i said was:
"But if we assume the leak is fake, they are aware of the situation and they aren't even working for nintendo on smash material there would be no reason for them to not come out and discredit this, landing possibly the biggest blow so far to the leak ", how does your explanation apply at all[
Sorry, I worded that wrong,
If they came out and said they weren't involved, then the leak loses half of its credibility, if they do not come out and we still keep fighting over team real of team fake, they are most likely on an NDA
I’d like for it be soon, but I’m waiting on the announcement from Nintendo.What do ya guys think are the chances of a direct being on Tuesday? Cuz I got jury duty that day at 8:15 which is prime direct time. Maybe if I explain the situation to them they will understand..
Because we need Optimus Prime in SmashWhy are people talking about a Hasbro Rep?
Because Mr.Monopoly would make a great rep for all the Capitalist mains from the bank.Why are people talking about a Hasbro Rep?
What a high price to pay... Super shocked that Tails hasn't been brought up much.I sadly think it's Mach Rider...
Or it could be Banjo
Will Paratroopa not be like the other characters then? All of the other characters in Aces you could play in a tournament to unlock them early or wait a month and everyone would get them.https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1056893419316961280
Just going to say that this PROVES that Nintendo can and would certainly lock a character from the Smash roster as an incentive to buy the online membership.
Mentioned this before but just want to get the exposure out there.
It's possible this leak is real and Incineroar is used as early DLC incentives when you buy switch online.
Melee Ganondorf: Hold my beer.Also Sonic was only added because he could have been rushed.
That's why his moveset is so bland, this really isn't have been done with many other characters.
No, it works the same way here.Will Paratroopa not be like the other characters then? All of the other characters in Aces you could play in a tournament to unlock them early or wait a month and everyone would get them.
Optimus Prime, Snake, Simon, and Bomberman finally reunite after all these years.Because we need Optimus Prime in Smash
There is no implication here that Sonic was made in three months, Sakurai outright said he was added to the game in early 2007. And extra manpower doesn't really help get characters done faster; tasking 10 people to create and rig a character's model for example isn't going to get the job done faster than a couple people doing it, what the extra manpower achieves is the ability to create more content simultaneously. The reason why DLC has a smaller crew is because they're not creating a whole game's worth of content, they're just creating a few characters and stages plus some balance adjustments for patches, you don't need the whole development team for that. Banjo being added at E3 2018 and being in the base game is not possible.I think this is more a case of logic (whether that logic is fallacious or not is unknown).
Sakurai stated that Brawl was held back three months to put Sonic in the game, the implication being that SEGA finally caved and allowed Sonic to be put in around that time. If they didn't have permission to put him in the game until SEGA gave the go ahead, then there was probably no base work for them to use, meaning they made Sonic from scratch in approximately three months for Brawl.
Of course, if they did indeed make Sonic in three months from scratch, they were probably only able to because he was the (near-)sole focus of their development during that time and almost all resources were focused on getting him into the game. Which is what @papagenos is arguing for Banjo: "during E3 2018, Sakurai was giving the go-ahead to put Banjo in Smash, and Sakurai rushed back to Japan and put pretty much his entire development team on the sole purpose of getting Banjo in ASAP since that time".
The implication of this train of thought is that characters only take a full year to make if you have to make other characters (and everything related to all the characters) at the same time, Smash 4's DLC characters don't really matter for the time-scale, because they were most-assured made with a much, much smaller team than Ultimate has; Smash 4 was post-development by that time and most of the team had moved on to other projects, only a skeleton crew was working on Mewtwo, Roy, Lucas, Ryu, Cloud, Corrin and Bayonetta (along with the stages and mii costumes that were also made around that time), this is just how game development works.
Does this clear up the argument for you?
Of course, I am not an expert, I'm only trying to explain what the argument is.
He probably will. I'm just specifying it could be done with Incineroar, hence why he may not be on the banner, at least at first. He'd then probably be available as payed DLC a month or 2 in.Will Paratroopa not be like the other characters then? All of the other characters in Aces you could play in a tournament to unlock them early or wait a month and everyone would get them.
MY GOD the stress from not knowing if this leak is real has actually given me zits.
Also. Is anyone else actually surprised that Sakurai hasn't even considered Transformers and/or ponies for Smash yet, given the amazing relationship between Hasbro and Nintendo? I mean, look at Monopoly Gamer, that's a thing now and so far it's only Nintendo-based.
Bait? It would completely go against Smash to include characters not from video games.View attachment 173248
(Just bringing this up as part of the Hasbro-Rep discussion)
I still think that’s a Sega decision tbh. I really feel like that if his moveset was a rush job, they would’ve changed it up in both 4 and Ultimate.Also Sonic was only added because he could have been rushed.
That's why his moveset is so bland, this really couldn't have been done with many other characters.
Tails would have to be a semi clone unlike Shadow, who can easily be an echo fighter...What a high price to pay... Super shocked that Tails hasn't been brought up much.
Lloyd makes sense though.
You don’t want to know.Hi there,morning!
Just 6 more weeks and we can play some Smash Ultimate!
I cant wait!
What did I miss?
Sakurai openly admitted to considering James Bond for Melee lol I’m not saying a non-video video game rep is likely but Sakurai does whatever he wantsBait? It would completely go against Smash to include characters not from video games.
"B-but there's games of ponies!"
My Little Pony didn't originate in video games.
I got an exclusive from it:I'm kind of more interested in whatever Sakurai's next Famitsu Column is going to be than the next direct.
Learn to be patient you ungrateful little ****s
Well, there are a lot of actually possible non-video game reps, Mickey and Goku (fite me) being the obvious most likely picks.Bait? It would completely go against Smash to include characters not from video games.
"B-but there's games of ponies!"
My Little Pony didn't originate in video games.
A source is claiming that despite Isaac, Chorus Kids, and Ken being likely, one of the other banner characters seems to be an assist, making the leak fake....Hi there,morning!
Just 6 more weeks and we can play some Smash Ultimate!
I cant wait!
What did I miss?
Then I might break a chair if Mach Rider is the assist trophy (not really, but Mach Rider is my most wanted from this leak, so I don't want him/her to be an assist trophy)Didn't he already say Geno is in?
I think he's talking about Mach RIder.
Watch him talk about going to watch the Grinch soon.I'm kind of more interested in whatever Sakurai's next Famitsu Column is going to be than the next direct.
https://twitter.com/grantkirkhope/status/1056018619807584256?ref_src=twsrc^tfwHi there,morning!
Just 6 more weeks and we can play some Smash Ultimate!
I cant wait!
What did I miss?