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I meant that the video wasn't explicitly focused on Smash, hence, it's unrelated to that. I get everything that the company itself may have a relation to it in other ways, but I don't want to be misinterpreted like that.
That's not the point, the point is that they've worked on characters right down to the wire in brawl, so it isn't impossible for ultimate.
Or he's dlc.
I am quite literally working on my Bachelor's degree in Game Design. It's plausible.
Also, it seems all of us have to apologize to Vergeben.
He probably feels it's too late for Plusle and Minun now. They suffered from bad timing overall.The feeling when sakurai might bring back considered characters like chorus kids and mach rider, but not plusle & minun
As for most wanted newcomers? Waluigi, Mew, Plusle & Minun, chorus kids
You sure? that will be long time to putting it together. Plus, we know that Sakurai was at E3 tournament but where was he before that event?
papagenos
, and I wouldn't ask you about it now, but would you be able to reveal post the game's release? Or is it a situation where you couldn't even after that. Fake or real I think it would be interesting to know 
Banjo is a way bigger deal than another pokemon that we already have 9 of.
Still wouldn't make sense of cutting a character three years into development in favor of another character you just secured and have to develop in four months, even if they would be more "hype" than the other one.
To add to this, I've been thinking about the relationship between the image leak and the text leak (the Chadondorf one). What could have happened is that the banner leak happened back in September (the text leak was posted on 4chan on 29 September IIRC) and shared among a limited number of people. One of the people who saw it, confident that it was real, decided to share it on 4chan but added a few made up additions of their own: cut characters and Spirits Mode bosses. I feel this could be the case as Eric or his friends are unlikely to know such information. The Chadondorf leaker may have added it to make the leak their own, even if it was false additions.
Look, I love Banjo, even if I'm not fan of their design.
Currently giving this a watch.
no thank you
yeah, there's a good reason why sakurai lays out a project plan way before the game is even in development so as to avoid **** like this. the last time we had an unique newcomer added at the last minute, it got the game delayed.
not it's not, especially with someone as meticulous as sakurai. adding a completely unique character in the span of a couple of months is pure insanity and just reeks of bad planning. and even if that we're happening, i feel that we would be looking at news of a delay.
We don't know Nintendo's development cycle to know at what point Incineroar was worked on or how *much* it was worked on.
The one problem I have with this is that Sakurai would have delayed the game to add Banjo, either that or have him as DLC,
You do have a point there, nothing says this meeting had to happen at E3. I'd find it much more believable if it was prior.
papagenos
Do you have any particular reason to believe this meeting had to have happened at E3? Or do you just think that's the most likely possibility?
Ehhhh, just take the moves from Banjo-Kazooie, switch the c buttons with d-pad, and you got a Smash ready moveset.
Well, characters in previous iterations have been scrapped or cut, even late into the development cycle.
shhhh don't tell anyone but i think they forgot to change her facial animation
We dont really know how long they've been working on Incinderoar.
The Advent Calendar idea makes sense, but why would they start in November, rather than October? Aside from needing time to prepare all the mini-Directs, of course, but surely one or two of them would be ready to show by now.Incineroar Hypotheticals:
Disclaimer - treat these like shower thoughts. None of this is evidence, all of it is conjecture from me just stewing on things. None of this proves or denies anything.
- "Astroturf Leak" : In other words, certain things were allowed to leak with the explicit direction that there be some misdirection. If you recall, Sakurai has commented on leaks once already. He said that he was very thankful that the big E3 surprise wasn't in a huge leak. It was leaked, but not in some really huge, article generating way, after E3 had already started (right? correct me if I'm wrong.). He also said that unless absolutely necessary, nothing important left the team. Of course, as time goes on, more and more information will need to be shared with outside sources. What he was saying was explicitly about the E3 presentation, but it's not a to ridiculous a stretch to think they would be protective of leaks going forward. The biggest surprise is in the past, now, so maybe not. In any case, if we are to treat Sakurai and the team as the PRIMARY SOURCE, from which every other "source" must get their info, and they were to "astroturf" information, so to speak, then every single source that every insider is implied to have would have that misleading information.
However, we are so close to the release to the game at this point, that jebaiting Marketing with false information would probably just end up with them shooting themselves in the foot, and I would imagine a lot of these news outlets get their insider information from seeing press kits. They could also have other sources within different departments, or QA testers or just other friends in the know. This is where it gets muddled even further.
But the point is the intention; perhaps everyone in this source layer- Marketing, other Nintendo departments, Testers- is told they are totally allowed to talk about specific bits of information once it is given to them, so long as they talk about the fake information as well, with no risk of jeopardizing their job. Not only would they be allowed, but perhaps DIRECTED to do so. In other words, they have things they absolutely cannot talk about, things that are "allowed" to leak, and things that MUST be leaked (i.e. fake information), only when the information is eventually fed to them.
No K. Rool, because that was a strict no-no, but Simon and Isabelle, for instance.
Also, this would be why Incineroar didn't really pop up until later and the only talks beforehand were about the Gen 7 Pokemon that "absolutely must be in because PATTERNS!".
tl;dr: There are things that "can" be leaked as long as other, less genuine things are ALSO "leaked", and things that absolutely must not be leaked.
The primary source for any and all information is from Sakurai and the team closest to him, so in that case, every source that gets information from them ALSO would have the "bogus" information, and is INTENTIONALLY helping out by leaking real and fake things at the same time. Real things are allowed to be leaked to make the fake things more believable.
- Incineroar is in the base roster:
The banner is fake, in that case. Not the characters, but the mural. Incineroar being in the base roster implies nothing about the other characters, but the mural itself is fake because it does not include Incineroar. Unless, of course, this isn't the final version of the mural.
With so little time between now and the release, could you believe that?
Unless! November is filled with little mini-directs in a sort of Advent Calendar style. Frequently, on days in November (but not every day), Nintendo "opens a door of the calendar" so to speak to reveal one tidbit or another. What, then, would the mural be for? Well, the second Nintendo Live event in Kyoto. This would assume that 6 or 7 "Mini Directs" happen between now and November 23rd, but not the mini direct that has Incineroar with it, thus resulting in a banner that has all of these characters and yet no Incineroar.
- Incineroar is DLC:
The most straightforward without Incineroar just not being in the game at all. He isn't on the banner, because he's DLC. This implies nothing on the mural is DLC, though, or that DLC characters will not be added to it.
All in all, we all can be totally sure about only one thing surrounding Incineroar - several people who would be in a position to know something more about the game than the general public think Incineroar is in the game. Therefore, it would be hard for me to believe Incineroar wasn't on the roster at some point, or a smoke trap.
Now, I feel like I should disclaim again:
These are basically shower thoughts surrounding Incineroar's supposed inclusion. These are not arguments one way or the other, but I am offering these thoughts for the sake of conversation.
As it stands right now, I think it's likely Incineroar is in the game in some way (I'll have to eat pants thanks to my bet, but fine).
But I also don't think Incineroar being "bait" is too much of a stretch either.
I don't think it would be that hard to believe the kind of 4D chess Nintendo and others are willing to play to try to keep anything major from happening.
And yet...
"They wouldn't do that because that's ridiculous" is hardly ever a good argument, especially in this context.
After all, the Grinch leak implies an incredibly ridiculous scenario if it's fake!
Patreon, nothing. We need to send this to Eric's lawyer (he'll be needing one awfully soon). It's hard to find him at fault for underestimating the power of social media, given his age and inexperience.
Watching the movie still has been one of the weirdest experiences for me to this day.
papagenos
! Just watched it. Not sure I buy into the whole E3 meeting unless your source is actually saying that though. But interesting nonetheless.
