Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

Let's say that the Grinch Leak is true and that those are our last character to be reveal ! Now let's imagine that SSBU fall into season pass for having DLC character the first batch will be:

DLC Season 1:
Incineroar
Dixie Kong
Black Shadow
Sk
Rex&Pyra
Steve
Sora
Rayman

Who would want for a DLC season 2 ?

Crash Bandicoot.

 

[KMDP]

To be honest, I don’t think it’s wise to completely disregard what some “insiders” know, even if they believe it’s something different than what the mural leak has provided us with. It might be hard to believe that something might be off, but you have to keep that all in mind.

The thing to also keep in mind is that if the journalist and insiders have been given information that isn’t real, then that means the information was purposely fed to people to mislead them. Unless, of course, Incineroar truly WAS kept off that mural for some reason or another.

With that in mind, you also have to think of it this way. If a person with information says to “keep expectations in check” or “that doesn’t line up with what i’ve heard”, that’s all they feel comfortable in saying. They aren’t going to tell a feel random schmucks on an Internet forum what they saw or who they talked to. We’re less than two months from release, and even less from the final Direct, most likely.

Patience is a virtue for this. I want answers just as much as you folks, but that’s all we can do.

Here's a little scenario I cooked up, because I'm bored and certifiably insane (one of these is a joke). Prepare your tin foil hats, people!

Spoiler: A long read that not everyone wants to see

Disclaimer: This makes several assumptions about how things have been going on behind the scenes. I don't believe this to necessarily be true, but I am raising the possibility.

Early in the development of Smash Ultimate, The Pokémon Company comes to Sakurai with a selection of New Pokémon to create as a Fighter in Smash Bros, he picks Incineroar (Sakurai has in the past told us that he has a certain amount of leeway with which Pokémon he picks).

Upon picking Incineroar, the Pokémon Company say "Well, actually, we have a plan for Incineroar being one of Ash's Pokémon in the new Anime season, can you hold off on including him in the game until Spring of 2019?" (I know, I know, just go with it).

Sakurai is reticent at first (he doesn't like really DLC, especially not of this nature, and we know this), but comes around. Incineroar ends up being held back for DLC; because they know that Incineroar is going to be made eventually, they make mural artwork for him. This mural artwork is 100% official.

As the game gets closer to completion, Sakurai decides to reveal that the game is in production. The game is to be teased on March 8th.

Naturally, Sakurai creates a release schedule for the game's trailers, character reveals and Smash Directs, and hands it to Nintendo's Marketing Department. However, both he and Nintendo as a whole don't want these to leak; so, in an attempt to counter these leaks, Sakurai makes multiple release schedules, all of which have subtle differences, and contain truths and half-truths (and in some cases, out-and-out lies). They also watch known leak sources from the past, i.e. the ESRB, like a hawk.

Some of these release schedules even come with fake Murals, to back up their veracity.

One of these fake release schedules contains something like the following:
I'll only include the Smash stuff, but assume it also has things like "Kirby's Epic Yarn ported to 3DS and Final Fantasy VII, IX and X/X-2 coming to Switch".

1. March 2018 - Game is teased, includes direct confirmation of Inklings, Mario and Link.
2. E3 2018 - "Everyone is Here" trailer: introduces Ridley as a Playable fighter and Daisy as a new Clone Character.
3. August 2018 - Smash Direct, introduces Simon Belmont as a Playable Fighter.
4. September 2018 - Nintendo Direct; introduces Isabelle as a Playable Fighter to coincide with the unveiling of Animal Crossing Switch.
5. November 2018 - Nintendo/Smash Direct; introduces Incineroar as a Playable Fighter and Ken as a new Clone Character.

Notice how it's all true right up to September, with some things also missing (like Richter, Chrom, Dark Samus and K. Rool). Maybe there's even images of the Mural (or the characters therein) to back it up; if it's the former, one of the murals has all the characters we know of now + Incineroar, maybe it focuses specifically on the place where Incineroar is, so people don't know characters like Richter and K. Rool aren't on that mural (I know, this is the biggest stretch of them all).
Before anyone calls issue with Nintendo making multiple murals, I'm not saying they're printing them, I'm saying these are text and image documents or PDFs.

This particular list of reveals (among others) makes it's way to the people like the ResetERA group and Vergeben; as time goes on, this leak seems more and more true, to the point that these guys have literally no reason to disbelieve it any more.

And then, in late October, a French guy is making hanging decoration print-outs for Smash Bros. store fronts/conventions and the Grinch movie, he snapchats a video of his office for whatever reason, and this gets to, say, his gamer son or something, who spreads it around (this might be the source of the "LOL **** NINTENDO" thing on the screenshots, if the person is a Sony or Microsoft fanboy). This contains the actual final roster (there's no reason for Nintendo to pay people to print out fake murals).

Naturally, the insiders are left very confused.

One thing that might back this up is the curious gaps in Vergeben's leaks (no K. Rool, Richter, Chrom or Dark Samus). there might even be two or more schedules that he received, one that includes Incineroar and one that doesn't, but the schedules are pretty much identical. Perhaps the schedule that has Incineroar on it includes way more characters (or... is way more believable), so after a certain period of time, Vergeben comes to accept that one as the "real" one over the other schedule.

Again, I'm just raising this as a sequence of possibilities.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Yeah, lets not exile papagenos or anyone that end up "on the wrong side" for that matter. Thats a good way to make the whole smash boards experience a lot less enjoyable and a lot more echo chamber-y.

Anyways heres a fun little game, what songs would you expext to be in the trailers for the 7 characters?
Shadow- I am all of me (Shaodow The Hedgehog)
Ken- Kens theme (SFV)
Isaac- I got no clue lmao
Mach Rider- Mach Rider (Melee)
Chorus Kids- Remix 10 (RH Fever)
Banjo Kazooie- Main theme (rock rendition) (BK- Nuts and Bolts)
Geno- Forest Maze (NEW Remix)

Isaac- Isaac's Battle theme (Golden Sun)
Banjo Kazooie - Main Theme (Banjo Kazooie)
Chorus Kids - Glee Club (Rhythm Heaven DS)
Mach Rider - Mach Rider (Melee)
Geno - Forest Maze (Super Mario Rpg) Rock Remix
Ken - Ken's Theme (Smash 4 version)
Shadow- I am... All of me (Shadow The Hedgehog)

 

[Wambo]

Honestly, the ESRB leak had a much more toxic atmosphere from what I remember. Even when the videos were leaked people were screaming “BRAWL MOD!!!”. So no idea if Gamexplain are actually avoiding it because it’s toxic or because they don’t wanna possibly jeopardize their ties with Nintendo (Which were way weaker back then).

I'm glad I'm not the only one who acknowledges the fact that GameXplain behaves way differently now that they're much closer with Nintendo.

From what I've been told, Bill and GX are good friends with each other outside of interviews?

 

[Gyrom8]

Speaking of assist trophies, how many do people think are left? IIRC they said something about there being over 50, but 'over 50' could be anything from 51 upwards. There's still a lot of missing assist trophies from Brawl/4, some of which may be returning. Do you think we'll be getting another assist montage in the next direct, or have we almost seen them all (excluding those associated with yet-unrevealed characters)?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Let's say that the Grinch Leak is true and that those are our last character to be reveal ! Now let's imagine that SSBU fall into season pass for having DLC character the first batch will be:

DLC Season 1:
Incineroar
Dixie Kong
Black Shadow
Sk
Rex&Pyra
Steve
Sora
Rayman

Who would want for a DLC season 2 ?

Elma
Celica
Bandana Waddle Dee
Shantae
ARMS character
Neku Sakuraba
Lloyd Irving
Either KOS-MOS or Heihachi Mishima

 

[Chrollo.]

what's that say about the moon then

the moon is skull kid’s brand new evolved form after fusion dancing with a stone talus from botw

Spoiler

in all seriousness tho im certain that skull kid was probably upgraded to being a boss, or hes planned dlc

 

[FalcoXP]

Let's say that the Grinch Leak is true and that those are our last character to be reveal ! Now let's imagine that SSBU fall into season pass for having DLC character the first batch will be:

DLC Season 1:
Incineroar
Dixie Kong
Black Shadow
Skull Kid
Rex&Pyra
Steve
Sora
Rayman

Who would want for a DLC season 2 ?

TBH only Impa,Midna, Crash Bandicoot and Doom Guy would hype me.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Do you think we'll be getting another assist montage in the next direct

Yes, the sooner that band-aid is ripped off, the better. Right now it's the equivalent of removing it from hairy skin, and that hurts.

 

[T3Z3R1]

Hey guys, what's going on? is Grinch Leak still standing?

 

[Chrollo.]

Hey guys, what's going on? is Grinch Leak still standing?

its in purgatory

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Hey guys, what's going on? is Grinch Leak still standing?

Duh ofcoarse it is

 

[SushiRoll]

Me if the grinch leak is real

And if it's fake

 

[Sehnsucht]

Honestly, I’m still not convinced that Shadow wont be in the game if this is fake. I said it yesterday and I’ll say it again; Nintendo replacing Shadow’s assist trophy with someone considerably less popular than him is incredibly weird, and the only reason I can imagine them removing him if he isn’t playable is if it was by Sega’s request.

It's actually even simpler than that.

Shadow's missing as an AT because he's gonna be a boss in Spirits Mode. The final boss, in fact.

For he is.

After all.

The ULTIMATE Life Form.

*****ing bass solo my dude skiddly dee*

 

[Malkior7]

Yeah, lets not exile papagenos or anyone that end up "on the wrong side" for that matter. Thats a good way to make the whole smash boards experience a lot less enjoyable and a lot more echo chamber-y.

Anyways heres a fun little game, what songs would you expext to be in the trailers for the 7 characters?
Shadow- I am all of me (Shaodow The Hedgehog)
Ken- Kens theme (SFV)
Isaac- I got no clue lmao
Mach Rider- Mach Rider (Melee)
Chorus Kids- Remix 10 (RH Fever)
Banjo Kazooie- Main theme (rock rendition) (BK- Nuts and Bolts)
Geno- Forest Maze (NEW Remix)

Isaac will most likely have his battle theme for his trailer music

 

[Opossum]

I literally can't load the previous page, presumably because of extreme amounts of embedded media.


Don't be ***hats, guys. Link, don't embed en masse.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Let's say that the Grinch Leak is true and that those are our last character to be reveal ! Now let's imagine that SSBU fall into season pass for having DLC character the first batch will be:

DLC Season 1:
Incineroar
Dixie Kong
Black Shadow
Skull Kid
Rex&Pyra
Steve
Sora
Rayman

Who would want for a DLC season 2 ?

Crash
Ryu Hayabusa
Kasumi (Ryu Hayabusa Echo... It's kind of a stretch, but I think it can work)
Bandanna Waddle Dee
Funky Kong
Elma
Impa
Min Min

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

Made a Garfield edit to represent this leak

 

[Metal Shop X]

Y'see, hating FNaF I understand.

However, what I will never understand is why MC and Undertale are treated like they're the spawn of evil by some. I really, really don't see how they would "ruin" anything, but meh, to each their own, I suppose.

Because those 3 games were very popular at one point, especially with kids, and if something peoples don't like get very popular (especially with kids who spam said games to everyone they know), it deserve to be treated like a joke everytime someone mention one of them, even though some peoples never played some of those games in their life.


Not that you can't dislike any of them btw, if you looked or even played those games and didn't like them, that's cool and all. But there is no point keep bringing them up after their popularity died down and their fanbase became much more quieter.


That's my 5 cents on it anyway, 'not going to continue farther on this topic since it's not the right place to do so, and because I don't want to talk about it much more than that lol.

 

[Chrollo.]

It's actually even simpler than that.

Shadow's missing as an AT because he's gonna be a boss in Spirits Mode. The final boss, in fact.

For he is.

After all.

The ULTIMATE Life Form.

*****ing bass solo my dude skiddly dee*

if shadow is somehow a boss, i just hope he swears at the player and tries to shoot them

 

[Gyrom8]

Yes, the sooner that band-aid is ripped off, the better. Right now it's the equivalent of removing it from hairy skin, and that hurts.

The problem is I can see some of the returning assists (maybe apart from those cut in 4) not being shown at all, leaving us in limbo until the game releases. Ashley was dropped in the montage so casually, so I don't have high hopes for all of the rest.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Speaking of assist trophies, how many do people think are left? IIRC they said something about there being over 50, but 'over 50' could be anything from 51 upwards. There's still a lot of missing assist trophies from Brawl/4, some of which may be returning. Do you think we'll be getting another assist montage in the next direct, or have we almost seen them all (excluding those associated with yet-unrevealed characters)?

I'm expecting Kat and Ana and Saki at the very least for returning assist trophies. Street Fighter doesn't have one yet and I think it'll be Chun Li, Sakura, or Dan. Final Fantasy doesn't either and I think they'll go with Tifa or Barrett.

 

[alemerltoucanet]

Okay, I've figured out my ideal way to play Smash Ultimate:
8-player Smash, 5-stocks, 4 Ice Climbers and 4 Chorus Kids/Glee Club (if we are to take this leak into account), ALL items on, stage morph changing every 30 seconds (if that's possible, if not every minute) with Fountain of Dreams and Big Blue, in handheld mode.

 

[Sehnsucht]

if shadow is somehow a boss, i just hope he swears at the player and tries to shoot them

I hope that for every boss tbh.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Okay, I've figured out my ideal way to play Smash Ultimate:
8-player Smash, 5-stocks, 4 Ice Climbers and 4 Chorus Kids/Glee Club (if we are to take this leak into account), ALL items on, stage morph changing every 30 seconds (if that's possible, if not every minute) with Fountain of Dreams and Big Blue, in handheld mode.

You mean the only way to play Smash Ultimate.

 

[murdokdracul]

I tthink they mean, that every time we think it's dead, It comes back.
Though I would compare it more to something like Superman or Goku...

Can we start calling it the Goku leak just to confuse everyone?

 

[Chrollo.]

I'm expecting Kat and Ana and Saki at the very least for returning assist trophies. Street Fighter doesn't have one yet and I think it'll be Chun Li, Sakura, or Dan. Final Fantasy doesn't either and I think they'll go with Tifa or Barrett.

id be surprised if ff gets an assist trophy since they couldn’t get more than two ****ing songs for it

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

We put the blame of the leak on the Grinch when it could've been garfield in disguise

 

[FalcoXP]

Okay, I've figured out my ideal way to play Smash Ultimate:
8-player Smash, 5-stocks, 4 Ice Climbers and 4 Chorus Kids/Glee Club (if we are to take this leak into account), ALL items on, stage morph changing every 30 seconds (if that's possible, if not every minute) with Fountain of Dreams and Big Blue, in handheld mode.

Is a funny way to burn your house indeed

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Made a Garfield edit to represent this leak
View attachment 172641

I sincerely hope you upload that on Square Root of Minus Garfield.

 

[SmashingXan2]

Okay, I've figured out my ideal way to play Smash Ultimate:
8-player Smash, 5-stocks, 4 Ice Climbers and 4 Chorus Kids/Glee Club (if we are to take this leak into account), ALL items on, stage morph changing every 30 seconds (if that's possible, if not every minute) with Fountain of Dreams and Big Blue, in handheld mode.

Perfection

 

[MainJPW]

if shadow is somehow a boss, i just hope he swears at the player and tries to shoot them

And dabs every time a character loses a stock.

 

[The_Naraotor]

Ok so here is how I would see things with some of your suggestion.

DLC PACK 1--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------DLC PACK 2

We have above the main Roster with bellow two pack of DLC per season. If either we have that I think Sakurai will be able to say

 

[Deleted member]

And dabs every time a character loses a stock.

Maybe we can pull a Falco with that.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

We put the blame of the leak on the Grinch when it could've been garfield in disguise

No, it was Jon Arbuckle...That man has no soul...

Okay, I've figured out my ideal way to play Smash Ultimate:
8-player Smash, 5-stocks, 4 Ice Climbers and 4 Chorus Kids/Glee Club (if we are to take this leak into account), ALL items on, stage morph changing every 30 seconds (if that's possible, if not every minute) with Fountain of Dreams and Big Blue, in handheld mode.

Don't forget Pokeballs with only Ditto

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Please stop posting those Steve? fanart images. They're off-topic and will be treated as spam. This is the final verbal warning.

Besides that, please link to your videos more often. It's making it harder to load the site with that much embedded media. Especially for mobile users.

 

[Chrollo.]

And dabs every time a character loses a stock.

and screams “MARIAAAA” when you defeat him

 

[T3Z3R1]

Okay, I've figured out my ideal way to play Smash Ultimate:
8-player Smash, 5-stocks, 4 Ice Climbers and 4 Chorus Kids/Glee Club (if we are to take this leak into account), ALL items on, stage morph changing every 30 seconds (if that's possible, if not every minute) with Fountain of Dreams and Big Blue, in handheld mode.

A guide to how to crash your switch forever

 

[Deleted member]

Ok so here is how I would see things with some of your suggestion.View attachment 172643
DLC PACK 1--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------DLC PACK 2

We have above the main Roster with bellow two pack of DLC per season. If either we have that I think Sakurai will be able to say
View attachment 172646

I approve this.

 

[Gyrom8]

Actually the more I see it, the more i see Majora's there and Mach rider looking down to him.

I'd love him to be there but it'd be a really awkward pose if he was: no other character would be as cramped or muted colour-wise.