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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Chrollo.

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But what does Isaac have to so with a new Animal Crossing game? That Tom Nook scene wasn't made in a week.
The most I can think of is that the direct was originally slated to have two reveals, Isabelle at the end and Isaac somewhere else, but Isaac got cut due to the Earthquake. It really felt like the Direct had a lot of filler, but who knows how much of it was already planned
 

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I really hate to rain on everyone's parade...

...But I've spent a good deal of time with the multi-layer Photoshop .psd file which Artsy Omni provided (comparing leak, E3 empty background and full character background) and I've pretty much gone from #TeamReal to #TeamNotSoSure...

Basically every part of the background that's highly covered up by characters, is quite different from the E3 background... (implying that the leaker had to "guess" what was there)

I still feel like it's real but I couldn't really find any good evidence in favour...

I would just suggest being VERY wary of blindly believing this leak and getting hyped... best to just wait and see..



Of course if this does turn out to be fake, then the level of commitment is absolutely INSANE
Been covered long before, counterpoints exist, I'm not gonna get them but I do appreciate you bringing this up.
 

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See, I've always known Isaac's abilities could be neat, but without his beard I just can't care that much. Shame that I'm so picky...
But what if Isaac in Ultimate has an alternate costume where he has his beard? Would that be an acceptable compromise for you?

I at least think having both PoR Ike and RD Ike makes it possible.
 

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So we call people who dislike Etika's use of a derogatry term "SJW's", yet freak out over earthquake connections? I don't believe in the earthquake theory at all, but come on.
 

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The most I can think of is that the direct was originally slated to have two reveals, Isabelle at the end and Isaac somewhere else, but Isaac got cut due to the Earthquake. It really felt like the Direct had a lot of filler, but who knows how much of it was already planned
Nintendo has pretty strict content rollout plans, this would mess up a lot of potential promotional material, especially if the banner was planned to have both Isabelle and Isaac added to it.
 

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Just a quick note about seven characters being "too much" to show in one direct:

An average character trailer is about 1-2 minutes, perhaps even shorter if they don't bother with a lot of story. Even Simon's high production value trailer was only about 3 minutes. Dark Samus and Chrom went about 1 minute each.

K. Rool didn't recieve any breakdown at the end of the August Direct, either, which saved a lot of time.

Assuming that every character is shown in one direct, Banjo, Isaac, Chorus Kids, Geno, and Mach Rider may all get unique trailers. I think it's safe to say that Geno and Banjo would get the longest ones, probably comparable to Simon's trailer, which is about 6 minutes so far. Isaac, Chorus Kids, and Mach Rider could be done in two each, and I'd even say you could cut that to 1:45 like Ridley. Ken and Shadow would be another echo block of 2 minutes.

When you put all that trailer time together, you're left with around 13 minutes of raw trailers. Another ten is probably all it would take to properly explain every character, which ends up at 23. Bump that to 25 for rounding, and out of a 40 minute direct that leaves you with 15 minutes left to explain the hidden mode and other odds and ends.

Yeah, it may be a double-sized direct, but it's entirely doable. The 50 fact video is only five minutes shorter than that. And that's already assuming they'll explain every single newcomer rather than pulling a K. Rool on them.

In fact, we're not even sure Mach Rider isn't an echo, so lump him in with Ken and Shadow and you save even more time.

It's not out of the question that we'd get a big blowout for our final presentation right before the game launches.
If the leak IS legit then I doubt they're all getting trailers anyway. Banjo probably will since he's a third party, but the rest could share a single trailer or just be revealed in something like the 50 fact extravaganza.
 

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Also if Etika is doing some sort of ARG and it's all an act.

You'd think the man would let his friends be in the know.

Unless their concern is also part of his gameplan.

It's a pretty tasteless ARG to make your fans worry about you though IMO.
 

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Isabelle was revealed alongside animal crossing though, that direct was the only opportunity for them to do that
But what does Isaac have to do with a new Animal Crossing game? That Tom Nook scene wasn't made in a week.
My point is that Isaac would have been revealed separately from Isabelle, but in the same direct. The fact that Sakurai says that the draft had to be changed as well is suspicious. Yes, I know that this is purely speculation but I actually believe it now.
 

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Incineroar and skull kid took one for the team guys

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So we call people who dislike Etika's use of a derogatry term "SJW's", yet freak out over earthquake connections? I don't believe in the earthquake theory at all, but come on.
It's more that even implying that Isaac had anything to do with delaying the September Direct is grounds for being considered insensitive towards those who died in the earthquake. I got chewed out for this in this thread, once.

If the leak IS legit then I doubt they're all getting trailers anyway. Banjo probably will since he's a third party, but the rest could share a single trailer or just be revealed in something like the 50 fact extravaganza.
Shadow sure as heck won't have a trailer, even the Smash staff won't be this edgy for him. :4pacman:

I wouldn't mind being proven wrong in this case though.
 
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But what if Isaac in Ultimate has an alternate costume where he has his beard? Would that be an acceptable compromise for you?

I at least think having both PoR Ike and RD Ike makes it possible.
This would be acceptable, but I don't think it's likely. The two Ikes can work with the same animations, but dad Isaac simply cannot work as an alt for kid Isaac due to their differing proportions. One or both of them would look awkward. Dad Isaac would also have a larger hitbox, which creates a balancing issue depending on what costume the Isaac player is using (whether intentionally or due to the other slots being taken).
 
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Yall why is etika sharing porn on youtube
Seems like he's had a mental breakdown of some kind.
I was thinking Bubble Bobble as well, the Bubbles look identical, but I couldn't find a sprite that looked like that sprout.

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You might be thinking of Bust-A-Move (Puzzle Bobble), which might have had Green Orbs with Sprouts in them at some point.

The issue is that those orbs are solid green, not transparent.
The funny thing is, before yesterday, I didn't even know Isaac had a "growth" ability. I actually like having anime swordsman in the roster, and one who also happened to be an earth bender always seemed appealing to me. But to have earth bending and plant bending? Dang that'd be cool. If this leak is fake (which I believe it is), I hate it for making me want a character who may not happen.

As for the item itself, I think it's worth noting that it's not really comparable to Smash 4's Ganondorf leak. That leak actually showed Ganondorf himself, while this one is just a small item, which on its own isn't a big deal. Heck, we can't even all agree if it's actually a Golden Sun item or not. I'll bet most of us wouldn't even be thinking it is one if there wasn't an impressive Isaac leak already on our minds. But even if it is a Golden Sun item and Isaac is in, I could still see Nintendo leaving it up because an item by itself isn't really that big of a leak.

And let's not forget that there are items from franchises without characters. Lip's Stick anyone?
Isaac (along with the other members of his party) only has Plant-bending under very specific circumstances (specifically, when Isaac has non-Venus Element Djinn equipped to him; you can get Growth on Isaac by equipping at least one Mars (Fire) Elemental Djinn to him).

His son, Matthew, on the other hand, has Growth natively (presumably, it might have something to do with his mother, Jenna, being a Mars Adept).

This, of course, could easily be a "Ness and Lucas have offensive Psynergy" case again; Isaac is capable of using Growth, and it's a plot point of Golden Sun in general that...
Isaac absorbed magic from all four elements during the climax of Lost Age.
 
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Food for thought, what if Incinaroar is just the Inkling of Ultimate?
Being too recent to be considered playable considering the roster was finalized in 2015 (Unless S&M began production in 2015 I dunno)

I could argue that the Alola content like the Pokéballs were probably developed in 2016 and later on.

If I’m wrong then please feel free to correct me.
 
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My point is that Isaac would have been revealed separately from Isabelle, but in the same direct. The fact that Sakurai says that the draft had to be changed as well is suspicious. Yes, I know that this is purely speculation but I actually believe it now.
Let's kill this right now.

Isabelle's trailer was made specifically for the General Direct; it was made to whiplash people between Smash and a new AC game before giving both. We have no indication whatsoever that Isaac is the same situation.

The changes to the Direct could simply have been altering dates and releases, whether it's a graphic saying "releases next week" turning into "available today!", etc. We really don't need to get tinfoil hats on for this.
 

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The immense lack of knowing the true future of Etika is bigger than the Grinch stealing Smash...for me atleast
 

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Hey guys, this week the Wendy's college tour thing is going to be in Jacksonville, Florida for the Florida vs Georgia game. The Wendy's college tailgate thing always goes where the ESPN College GameDay crew goes and that's where they will be this weekend. If anyone lives near there and wants to find out more about this maybe you can try and make your way there.
 
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Swaggy-G

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It's more that even implying that Isaac had anything to do with delaying the September Direct is grounds to being insensitive towards those who died in the earthquake. I got chewed out for this in this thread, once.
...Since when is it insensitive to say that? The Japanese have delayed/canceled plenty of stuff due to poor timing from earthquakes before. Is referencing the earthquake at all insensitive? Because if so that's stupid.
 

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Food for thought, what if Incinaroar is just the Inkling of Ultimate? Being too recent to be considered playable considering the roster was finalized in 2015 (Unless S&M began production in 2015 I dunno)

I could argue that the Alola content like the Pokéballs were probably developed in 2016 and later on.

If I’m wrong then please feel free to correct me.
Greninja. No real argument after that.
 

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It's actually interesting how they haven't removed it yet.
They bailed QUICK on the Ganondorf leak.
Well one was a character, this item is more seemingly ambiguous than anything else tbh.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was removed though, especially if it actually turns out to be a Golden Sun item.
Dude either nuked all of his social media and content or he legitimately got hacked.
Either way, I feel bad for Etika regardless of what happened. Hope he’s doing alright.
If the leak IS legit then I doubt they're all getting trailers anyway. Banjo probably will since he's a third party, but the rest could share a single trailer or just be revealed in something like the 50 fact extravaganza.
On the topic of this, I think if it’s real some might be reserved as “secret characters” on the website.
Kinda like how Brawl and Smash 4 hid characters like Toon Link, Wolf, Dark Pit, etc.
Or Sakurai could just do a bloated direct, idk.
 

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...Since when is it insensitive to say that? The Japanese have delayed/canceled plenty of stuff due to poor timing from earthquakes before. Is referencing the earthquake at all insensitive? Because if so that's stupid.
If I'm not mistaken, it was @Smashing_Ramen who told me that. If I misremembered, please correct me as soon as possible.
 
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Food for thought, what if Incinaroar is just the Inkling of Ultimate?
Being too recent to be considered playable considering the roster was finalized in 2015 (Unless S&M began production in 2015 I dunno)

I could argue that the Alola content like the Pokéballs were probably developed in 2016 and later on.

If I’m wrong then please feel free to correct me.
They had Greninja's design fleshed out when Smash 4 began development, a year and a half before X and Y came out; not only did Ultimate begin development less than a year before Sun and Moon released, but Incineroar and the other starter's final evolutions had their concept art leaked about half a year before the games released.
 
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You know I was planning on spending all of today playing Dark Souls for the first time but this leak popping up yesterday has kept me too distracted for that, even if I'm on team fake.

Maybe I'll go give Golden Sun a second chance and become a full-fledged Isaac supporter instead. It seems like one of those games that I should by all means enjoy but just didn't click with.
 

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What exactly is this supposed to accomplish? Freaking people out? Because it's working.
I dunno, I'm not a fan of the guy but he never seemed like the type of guy to do this to his own fans. Even after reading the ARG stuff it seems too much.

Also the fact that people close to him like RogersBase and Shofu have no idea what's going on is also very concerning.
 

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On the topic of this, I think if it’s real some might be reserved as “secret characters” on the website.
Kinda like how Brawl and Smash 4 hid characters like Toon Link, Wolf, Dark Pit, etc.
Or Sakurai could just do a bloated direct, idk.
There will be no secret characters. Sakurai stated they would reveal every fighter (and if this leak is true, they already have been...).
 

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Not sure if that helps or hurts Isaac, but at least no one can say they're refusing to discuss leaks.
It's the fact that they're so willing to delve into leaks other than the Grinch one which is what people find suspicious in the first place though.
 
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