Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Two of which were echos, so they didn't need special trailers to go with them. The third one came in the same trailer as the newcomer from the same series. Personally? I don't see Mach Rider, Banjo, Isaac, Geno, and Chorus Kids sharing any trailers together, they have nothin in common.

Techniquelly banjo and geno could be reveal together for a best for last esque trailer

 

[Wambo]

Not to be an ***, but I'm happy you're not working as a legal investigation Journalist, because you would get shoot down in an alleyway the next day.

You can't tell me secrets about stuff I like, because I NEED to share that **** with someone.

So yeah, if the government told me to keep Geno's inclusion in Smash a secret, I'd already be suspiciously dead after a four-story fall from my apartment window with the news headlines saying I simply committed suicide.

 

[RyuhoFox]

A quick question from someone who was gone most of the day when this leak popped up. This is supposed to be the final mural, right? Not an incomplete one?

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Probably Geno because you know how Square is with music

I'm still anal over two ****ing tracks

He is way too blessed to NOT be used by this point

The whole world will burn if Poochy doesn't make it


The more I think about it, I question how we are going to get seven different trailers in a 45 minute Direct assuming that we may just get a few trimmed down from 7 to 4 trailers with 2/3 being together in one idk

 

[Pazzo.]

Yeah who would've ****ing thought that people support leaks that include the characters they want?

I think Rhythm Heaven is awesome.

 

[Untouch]

A quick question from someone who was gone most of the day when this leak popped up. This is supposed to be the final mural, right? Not an incomplete one?

SpawnWave thinks it could be not final since it's missing a character (that isn't Incineroar).

 

[Deleted member]

Thing is you say a fake leaker wouldn't go to such lengths, but who's to say they couldn't? I remember a similar argument being used for the Spring Man and Decidueye leak way back then, and that turned to be fake. I'm not saying it's likely that someone did go to such lengths just for a fake, but I think it's possible enough for me to be skeptical of the leak.

Besides, people HAVE poked holes: for instance, there's no proof that the name we see in the photo belongs to the person taking said photo. Again, not solid proof that it's fake, but it's certainly a point against it.

Because Occam's Razor.

This is NOT the same as making a 3D model yourself. It takes a LOT less effort to make a 3D model than to plan all this out, and execute it to perfection. Like the leaps in logic to make that work out as staged is getting to 9/11 conspiracy theory levels of reaching.

And no, that's not a hole at all. For one, you yourself admitted that it's not a point against it (therefore not a hole), but moreover, we DO know it's the same person who took the snapchat, as that's how snapchat works. It's puts the name of the person at the top left of the video you record.

 

[Chrono.]

Wow, you got it.

Guys it's painfully obvious that Little Mac will be in Ultimate. He's in like 90% of the leaks

Nah that's Shulk.

 

[Das Koopa]

I've joined the dark side (#TeamFake) and in the spirit of the ride never ending I put my GameFAQs signature on the line.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77129073

Now the ride got EXTRA SPICY for me

 

[Beatrice]

I got a good positive spin for this

I’m leaning toward real (ESRB 2.0) but assuming fake just be prepared for disappintment

But look at this way

If real best base roster ever

If fake we get to still be surprised on the rest of the characters

It’s a win win situation (for me if nobody agrees)

I feel the same tbh. I wouldn't be disappointed regardless of how it turns out.

 

[Honest Slug]

That was only a single newcomer, Greninja.

And 3 of the ones shown in the August Direct were Echoes. Not the same thing as 5 unique newcomers.

I think you missed the point.

The 40 minute direct only showed 1 character yes, but that was before we knew much about that game. We already know a lot of the modes and stages. Really all that's left is Games and More, Spirits Mode and extra characters which could easily fill up 40 minutes.

The first direct only had 2 characters but it was only 25 minutes, it can be longer.

 

[PeridotGX]

So I was looking at some things and I noticed this Shadow Render.

Isn't it the exact same pose as the Shadow in the Grinch leak?

 

[CallMeKnux]

it might be possible for some ATs like Waluigi or Krystal to be promoted to full fighters via DLC (I'm not holding my breath on it, but with Sakurai, you really never know)

Tbh I haven't really heard much outcry about Krystal being an assist, which suprises me. Not that I'm complaining, Krystal sounds like a kinda boring pick for me.

 

[Isaac for Smash Pls]

So let me see if I have this straight:

This leak is over 12 hours old now, and the entire Smash community has been doing its best to debunk it. So far the best arguments against it amount to:

“It’s blurry so I don’t trust it”

“It’s too good to be true”

“But mah Vergeben Box theory”

“Some insiders are saying it’s fake but not giving any reasons why”

Then on the other side we have a French guy literally tanking his career to put out a fake Smash leak but an apparently real Grinch leak? And the render has rearranged all the characters in a very creative and professional seeming way, not to mention put out 7 brand new and original and convincing renders and a never before seen empty Battlefield. They did all of these extra things when just 1-3 would have been convincing enough.

Hmm. Sounds like it’s real to me. Obviously not 100% certain until we get the official word. But it takes a lot fewer leaps of logic to believe that some dumbass graphic designer leaked the final roster than to believe someone would create a false identity, make 7 new renders and rearrange everything professionally just to make a “lel **** Nintendo” post on Snapchat.

 

[Pazzo.]

Ooh~ Me next!
What's my opinion?

Uhhhh...

Dragons? Squids?

You're a closed book to me.

Not even this head in a cage can divine your thoughts.

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

So I was looking at some things and I noticed this Shadow Render.

Isn't it the exact same pose as the Shadow in the Grinch leak?

I never knew you can stand in the middle of the ****ing air. Obviously it's not.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

It's never been so painfully obvious to tell someone's opinions by their avatar.

What does my avatar tell you?

 

[Misery Brick]

So what is the general consensus on this btw? Like not even just here on Smashboards, even on separate forms of social media.
While I do think it may be real, I definitely think there’s a very real possibility this is just a meticulously made fake.
After all, people have gone far and beyond for this game series in the past.

 

[Das Koopa]

So I was looking at some things and I noticed this Shadow Render.

Isn't it the exact same pose as the Shadow in the Grinch leak?

The ears/spikes don't really match up in terms of positioning

 

[Rie Sonomura]

It's never been so painfully obvious to tell someone's opinions by their avatar.

do me do me do me

 

[Noipoi]

What does my avatar tell you?

You're a bro.

 

[Luigi The President]

So what is the general consensus on this btw? Like not even just here on Smashboards, even on separate forms of social media.
While I do think it may be real, I definitely think there’s a very real possibility this is just a meticulously made fake.
After all, people have gone far and beyond for this game series in the past.

General consensus is ALL over the place.

 

[Pazzo.]

Oh really? How about me?

You like....

Goomba?

I hear he's psychic now.

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

So I was looking at some things and I noticed this Shadow Render.

Isn't it the exact same pose as the Shadow in the Grinch leak?

Literally not at all

I swear all of you guys who say 'isn't x character just using y render' don't even compare the two images you bring up

 

[Iridium]

Uhhhh...

Dragons? Squids?

You're a closed book to me.

Not even this head in a cage can divine your thoughts.

What do you have for me? What do you have for yourself (yes, I'm serious)?

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

What does my avatar tell you?

All I can tell is that you like Jimmy Neutron.

 

[Dixie Kong]

What does my avatar tell you?

That you’re a man of culture.

 

[Llort A. Ton]

Not all 5 trailers would need to be as epic/story driven as the K. Rool or Simon one, they could be quick and snappy like the RIdley one.

Mario, Megaman, Samus are walking. Bam, Marios dead. Bam. Megamans dead. Bam, Ridley. Cue gameplay.

Mach Rider and Chorus Kids could probably get shorter trailers, like bam, Maio Kart race, bam, F Zero race, bam, Mach Rider shows up. Cue gameplay.

Hell, remember Pac Man had like 5 seconds of CGI? Obviously Geno and Banjo would get big trailers, but most of the other ones could be relativley CGI-light.

 

[Pazzo.]

What does my avatar tell you?

Is that your Stando?

 

[JacobLeBeauOFFICIAL]

So what is the general consensus on this btw? Like not even just here on Smashboards, even on separate forms of social media.
While I do think it may be real, I definitely think there’s a very real possibility this is just a meticulously made fake.
After all, people have gone far and beyond for this game series in the past.

Severely mixed in opinions

 

[Das Koopa]

So what is the general consensus on this btw? Like not even just here on Smashboards, even on separate forms of social media.
While I do think it may be real, I definitely think there’s a very real possibility this is just a meticulously made fake.
After all, people have gone far and beyond for this game series in the past.

i'm gonna say 50% say real, 25% on the fence, 25% fake

It sort of depends. GameFAQs is more skeptical, 4Chan seems to openly believe it, ResetEra is sitting at 72-28 real, etc. I think "On the Fence" is shifting towards Team Real.

 

[Paperchampion23]

This is one of the weirdest leaks out there, every insider is either saying it's fake or to pay no attention to it. Yet, people keep finding some substantial evidence in it's favor.

Funny thing is though, didn't insiders specify that Nintendo is going around giving fake names to people? Why aren't insiders taking their own advice lol. Just because your source disagrees doesnt mean they are 100% right lol

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

So I was looking at some things and I noticed this Shadow Render.

Isn't it the exact same pose as the Shadow in the Grinch leak?

I think its crumbling down

 

[Nekoo]

Wait what?

Where it comes from, 4chan.

Where the hell does that start of clean Background rip comes from?

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

It's never been so painfully obvious to tell someone's opinions by their avatar.

Alright, me next. What does mine say?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Alright, well my friends, I told you I'd get to making a post about this, and with over 600 people viewing this thread I figure I'll make my post finally. There's been a lot of information to digest, and after a long day I've finally made it home.

That said, let's dig right into this leak!

The first thing I will say is this. I've heard some things from some different people. I'm not going to say who or what those people or tidbits are but I've been pretty much looking at this all day, trying to look at it objectively. I've grown quite attached to the idea of Incineroar in Smash, mainly because of the playstyle and it was something...different.

I woke up early this morning and saw this leak on here and in Discord. I figured it was another fake until I really looked at it. There are blobs assumed to be Shadow, Geno, Ken, Chorus Men, Mach Rider, Banjo & Kazooie, and Isaac...my mind had to have been playing tricks on me. I looked at the pictures again and again. I tried to find faults with stuff. I'll even admit that I'm not an expert when it comes to leakbusting, but I've discussed it with people who are definitely better at that than me. It's becoming hard for me to say I think it's fake.

I don't. I'm leaning toward the idea that this leak, this bombshell, is real.

Now, by no means do I think it's set in stone. I never thought the box was set in stone, but mainly to temper expectations to avoid a salt flow. For myself, at the very least, this has worked quite well. I'm ecstatic at the prospect of this being real. I gave up hope for Isaac. Despite being a big Banjo lover, I assumed it was a lost cause and not all that likely. I've never played Rhythm Heaven, but I know there are some fans of that series. Our edgelord Shadow is definitely a solid pick, and Geno has simply surged into one of my top picks, considering I've always really, really like Super Mario RPG.

It wasn't the image itself that sold me on this leak. It's the story.

When the ESRB leak was introduced, it was shut down mainly because of the character choices. Not to say the people who posted the claims against it were foolish, but ideas that "Shulk is a photoshopped Little Mac" seemed to defy logic and look for inconsistencies or issues where they truly didn't exist. This also occurred with the fact that "Game & Watch's hand is in Wario's face, into the trash it goes". Those types of discrepancies didn't sink it.

Nothing did end up sinking that leak. Eventually gameplay videos proved its legitimacy and forever solidified it in Smash history for the fans. It will never be forgotten.

This is the type of leak that, I believe, may not only usurp the ESRB leak of that, but be one of the most uplifting leaks in years.

With the story being that this "leaked" through Snapchat because of a not-to-be-trusted friend, it sounds eerily similar to the ESRB leak. Add on the fact that the original poster could be named or identified. Then, add onto that that an individual with the same name can be found on LinkedIn. Then, his place of work can be followed to an actual place. Then, follow that to the fact that, hilariously enough, someone called his place of work, asked if he's been employed there, and figured out that yes, he had at one point been employed there. It's a compelling story.

To entertain the thought. For this leak to be fake, this particular individual would have to not only find out the name of a guy who works at a particular company, and get his name on the pictures he posted on a crappy SnapChat feed, but he would have to know that it could be proven through searching LinkedIn.

In addition, the materials to produce the fake bracelet would have to be created, and then sealed in an incredibly professional manner. The wrap it up, the creator would have to find something interesting, something convincing to get people to believe it. The Grinch shows up out of nowhere, of course unless he's our next newcomer!

Think about every fake leak that has been brought in here and laughed at or completely disregarded because it was clearly fake. They include almost all the same characters, they start with their "Uncle Nintendo" and then say, "You don't have to believe me, I don't care!" This one doesn't and, in fact, includes a completely ridiculous shot of the Grinch in the corner.

I won't go on too much longer. Bear with me.

What seems more plausible...a guy happened to place too much trust in someone who then leaked content that is sending shockwaves throughout the internet? Or that a fan or troll somewhere out there, meticulously put together fake convincing renders of about 7 characters, place them in the banner artwork, print them off to put on an incredibly small wristband/tie thing, only to post it on SnapChat?

Every other leak we've seen has been a blurry post on 4chan or some other site. Then there's also the fact that this lines up almost directly with the Chadondorf leak.

While I will not commit to a 100% "It's Real!" verdict because we don't have gameplay or video to corroborate any of this, it's pretty tough to find a plausible reason to completely assume it's fake. I'm not even going to place a percentage for "chances" of being real because it either is or isn't. But at the end of the day, I'm finding this pretty damn convincing.

If it's fake, it may very well be the biggest conspiracy against the Smash fanbase in Smash history. If it is indeed fake, I won't even cry. I'll laugh. It might be while one of my eyes is twitching, but i'll laugh.

The last thing I'll say is that if this is truly real, I feel for Sakurai. I realize that schedules for marketing are a thing, but Nintendo should have saved him from this heartache and done the reveals this month. Waiting until November was a mistake. You simply cannot beat the internet with this ****.

One last thing (I lied), remember how like a week ago that dude said there was a leak in the wild that some insiders knew about? Maybe it's this one.

 

[Deleted member]

Actually wait. It's Wednesday. Spawn Wave has to do a daily round up news video, so we might get the info in that video OR he might be simultaneously working on two videos.

He DOES have info on Smash, though not like everyone else about the mural and has concrete sources, but he also has info on much other stuff that he has to get out or focus on, for being a general gaming news channel.

 

[Pazzo.]

do me do me do me

Isn't she from Scooby-Doo?

 

[lightdrago]

It's never been so painfully obvious to tell someone's opinions by their avatar.

What's mine say?

 

[NastCF]

Because Occam's Razor.

This is NOT the same as making a 3D model yourself. It takes a LOT less effort to make a 3D model than to plan all this out, and execute it to perfection. Like the leaps in logic to make that work out as staged is getting to 9/11 conspiracy theory levels of reaching.

And no, that's not a hole at all. For one, you yourself admitted that it's not a point against it (therefore not a hole), but moreover, we DO know it's the same person who took the snapchat, as that's how snapchat works. It's puts the name of the person at the top left of the video you record.

I actually didn't realize the name tag was from Snapchat and not physically mixed in with the photographed materials, that's entirely on me.

I was going to reiterate how I don't think it's impossible for this to have been faked, but this changes my outlook a little bit. Thanks for the clarification.