Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

Pretty sure Yoshi was removed to make room for Pikachu (He makes lotsa dough for Nintendo), as the USK logo is bigger than other rating board logos and would've blocked Pikachu in the original image

That’s just a convenient excuse. We all know the real reason...

 

[Dyllybirdy]

If you like I can add you to the supporters list.

Yeah, sure.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

They said it's because "BotW Zelda is more into research anyways" but the real question you should be asking is why is it her Link Between Worlds appearance? Hmm.

It was a mistranslation on NOA's part, It's actually her Link to the Past design (A Link to the Past and A Link Between Worlds have almost the exact same Japanese name (Triforce of the Gods and Triforce of the Gods 2, respectively), aside from a 2 being added).

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Because of that, I kinda doubt that Hilda's gonna be a Zelda echo...

 

[The Legendary Beast]

I'll take Impa as an echo any day over Hilda. Impa deserves to be playable way more in my opinion.

So if LoZ is getting an echo character I'd rather it not be wasted on Hilda of all characters.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I'll take Impa as an echo any day over Hilda. Impa deserves to be playable way more in my opinion.

So if LoZ is getting an echo character I'd rather it not be wasted on Hilda of all characters.

I mean, Impa would be cool and all, but only as a Sheik echo?

There's some wasted potential there...

 

[ZenythSmash]

Tansut made a couple of assumptions

1. It's an image leak
2. It's a leak we've already seen/know about

It's important to know he has no idea what the leak in question is.

its public too but people been ignoring it for skeptical reasons (and i can understand why)
i want to point it out to him if that's the one we're supposed to be looking it

 

[MSmariosonic]

I mean, Impa would be cool and all, but only as a Sheik echo?

There's some wasted potential there...

Didn't stop Dark Samus from becoming an echo

 

[Pyra]

I mean, Impa would be cool and all, but only as a Sheik echo?

There's some wasted potential there...

**** that noise I'm happy to get her in at all

 

[Guybrush20X6]

its public too but people been ignoring it for skeptical reasons (and i can understand why)
i want to point it out to him if that's the one we're supposed to be looking it

So all we know is there's a true leak out there and we gotta search through all the crap to find it.

Planned all along?

 

[MSmariosonic]

I can only see Impa make it in as an echo

Especially if Skull Kid becomes a newcomer

 

[Gyrom8]

I mean, Impa would be cool and all, but only as a Sheik echo?

There's some wasted potential there...

The problem is there isn't much to go with for Impa. In half the games she's in, she's more of a wise sage than she is a fighter. In the games where she does fight - OOT and SS - she doesn't really do enough to justify having a unique moveset. Yeah, there's Hyrule Warriors, but I don't think they'll be using that game for source material in Smash (plus Zelda has enough sword users as it is). Wouldn't be opposed to a unique Impa, but doubt she'll be anything but an echo if she gets in.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Personally, my most wanted Zelda newcomer is Vaati. :/

But that'll probably never happen.
A man can only dream...

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I mean, Impa would be cool and all, but only as a Sheik echo?

There's some wasted potential there...

Sakurai doesn't seem to really mind wasted potential if you ask me

 

[Iko MattOrr]

I will make this quick blog updates for this week so far if nobody noticing

Monday was shulk

Tuesday was marshadow

Wednesday was “flash man stage music” and green greens (which kills the music theory again since that’s the second mega man song introduced I think.)

And today is cloud

I don't want to give fake hopes to anyone, but I noticed something odd.
(theory time!)

This week they have shown Shulk and Cloud, and there is another slot for tomorrow.
The bar event may release a surprise announcement (who knows)

What if this week is all about JRPG protagonists, and the last one is Isaac?

I'm not an Isaac supporter and I don't care, this will probably mean nothing as always, but it's still interesting regardless.

 

[osby]

Sakurai doesn't really seem to mind wasted potential if you ask me

"Wasted potential" implies they have a remote chance at getting in as unique fighters. (bar Ganondorf)

 

[MSmariosonic]

Metroid got Ridley as a pure newcomer and Dark Samus as an echo

Donkey Kong has King K. Rool as a pure newcomer and perhaps Dixie as an echo

Zelda might get Skull Kid with Impa as an echo

I'm just thinking that a franchise will only have 1 pure newcomer maximum because we surely won't get that many characters in the base roster and I feel like the DLC will mostly focus on 3rd parties

Or I could be entirely wrong

 

[Pyra]

Personally, my most wanted Zelda newcomer is Vaati. :/

But that'll probably never happen.
A man can only dream...

That would also be cool.

My list is pretty much Skull Kid, Impa, and either of the Duel-Wielding Ganondorfs. And Tetra, maybe.
Vaati would be super cool also. I haven't really played much of the games he's in all the way through but the internet exists for me to learn about characters that are interesting so

 

[shinhed-echi]

"Wasted potential" implies they have a remote chance at getting in as unique fighters. (bar Ganondorf)

TBF Dark Samus was one step short of being original (AT moveset).

 

[osby]

TBF Dark Samus was one step short of being original (AT moveset).

Assist Trophies' abilities don't even resemble a balanced moveset on most occasions. Just having plenty of attack animations don't make a playable fighter.

 

[Cosmic77]

Impa could easily be a unique character, but I don't think she'll get in. Feels like most of her support comes from people who believe she has the best chance of getting added.

Actually, that's exactly what most Zelda characters depend on: what the fanbase deems as likely. Skull Kid barely had six pages before the August Direct and Loz. Now he has over 100.

Personally, my most wanted Zelda newcomer is Vaati. :/

But that'll probably never happen.
A man can only dream...

I'd love to get a Champion from BotW, but I'm not sure how likely that is now that we're almost six weeks away from release.

DLC is a possibility though. Aside from Impa and Skull Kid, most of the major competition has already been disconfirmed (Tingle, Midna, Pig Ganon, and Ghirahim).

 

[The Legendary Beast]

People only say Impa should have a weapon because of a spin-off game, in the main games she doesn't wield a weapon and is more magic/ninja based.

So she would be represented really well as a Sheik echo. Remember that Sheik got a new final smash that's more Sheikah based. Plus it would be nice to have her in her SS design to rep that game.

So in conclusion we'd have:

(BotW)
(LttP)
(OoT/BotW)
(OoT)
(OoT/possibly MM)
(WW/FS/PH/ST)

In terms of 3D games all that would be missing is SS and TP. If we get Skull Kid as a newcomer and Young Link gets Fierce Deity as a final smash they would obviously rep MM. Impa would rep SS, and maybe Ganondorf gets Twilight Ganondorf as an alt costume to rep TP.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I'd love to get a Champion from BotW, but I'm not sure how likely that is now that we're almost six weeks away from release.

Okay, if we're talking Champions, than Mipha would be the one I want the most.

She's best fish girl.

 

[beans]

kinda of a necro bump but

It was a mistranslation on NOA's part, It's actually her Link to the Past design (A Link to the Past and A Link Between Worlds have almost the exact same Japanese name (Triforce of the Gods and Triforce of the Gods 2, respectively), aside from a 2 being added).

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Because of that, I kinda doubt that Hilda's gonna be a Zelda echo...

What about the circlet/head piece, the design and the way it goes under the hair instead of over it makes me think it is a bit of a mix of both Zeldas than just one of them

 

[Deleted member]

Yes I did play the games and I know that they're one and the same. But for Nintendo they might as well not be. There's barely any consistency. Wind Waker is the only game where they've given him any kind of relatable motive: in most other stories he either just wants power or is some kind of mindless evil. If BOTW had established that Calamity Ganon once had understandable motives - or any kind of motives at all - then fine, but it doesn't. Any attempt to connect the different depictions of Ganon(dorf) is largely down to the fans: Nintendo tried out a timeline with SS but BOTW showed they're not that fussed about maintaining consistency.

I really don't care how different Ganondorf is between games, it doesn't change the fact he's still the same entity. The only Ganondorf that's a different person is in FSA where he's explicitely told to be a new incarnation much like TP Link is a different incarnation of the Hero of Time.

Also, BOTW doesn't need to imply anything when we KNOW him from past games. There'd be a problem if this was a completely original villain who we have no idea about, but we do, so we know his origins and what likely led to this current form. Leaving dots for players to connect isn't lazy writing, as some seem to think.

According to Hyrule Historia, Vaati is the same individual in all three games; he developed amnesia after his defeat in Minish Cap.

I never said he wasn't, I meant it in a mental sense. Vaati's transformation wasn't just a physical one, much like Ganon's, it changed his psyche as well.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Assist Trophies' abilities don't even resemble a balanced moveset on most occasions. Just having plenty of attack animations don't make a playable fighter.

Didn't say they should copy+paste it to the playable character version without proper adjustments. Otherwise let's all give up on Isaac not being OP due to his Move AT ability KOing you from 0% if you get caught in it.

 

[Pyra]

I really don't care how different Ganondorf is between games, it doesn't change the fact he's still the same entity. The only Ganondorf that's a different person is in FSA where he's explicitely told to be a new incarnation much like TP Link is a different incarnation of the Hero of Time.

Also, BOTW doesn't need to imply anything when we KNOW him from past games. There'd be a problem if this was a completely original villain who we have no idea about, but we do, so we know his origins and what likely led to this current form. Leaving dots for players to connect isn't lazy writing, as some seem to think.

I never said he wasn't, I meant it in a mental sense. Vaati's transformation wasn't just a physical one, much like Ganon's, it changed his psyche as well.

Skull Kid is Vaatidorf.

Okay, if we're talking Champions, than Mipha would be the one I want the most.

She's best fish girl.

Urbosa sorry

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Urbosa sorry

...Are you saying that Urbosa is best... fish girl?

 

[shinhed-echi]

...Are you saying that Urbosa is best... fish girl?

Maybe she knows Bouncing Fish too.

 

[Pyra]

...Are you saying that Urbosa is best... fish girl?

She can be if she wants. She can do anything cause she's the best champion

 

[Dyllybirdy]

She can be if she wants. She can do anything cause she's the best champion

Right.

 

[Deleted member]

What is the worst and/or best Smash Bros clone that you have played?

In my case, the best would be Brawhalla. Not sure about the worst one.

 

[osby]

Didn't say they should copy+paste it to the playable character version without proper adjustments. Otherwise let's all give up on Isaac not being OP due to his Move AT ability KOing you from 0% if you get caught in it.

But she had like three attacks and they don't really work as proper moves. Her volley was pretty much Charge Shot, her laser spheres would be awkward projectiles and her tentacles maybe would work as a down special or smash. And some of her animations were already taken from Samus.

Given enough time, I think they could make her a semi-clone but AT wasn't really a good base.

 

[Luigifan18]

Skull Kid is Vaatidorf.

Um... what. Literally what. I don't even.

(Vaati in Minish Cap could maybe be replaced with Ganondorf without changing the plot much, except that it's the origin story of both Vaati and the Four Sword and Ganondorf's backstory wouldn't work too well in the context of the Minish.)

 

[Pyra]

What is the worst and/or best Smash Bros clone that you have played?

In my case, the best would be Brawhalla. Not sure about the worst one.

That would actually be my least favorite. Favorite is Slap City with Super Smash Flash 2 coming up close. I'd say Rivals but I haven't played enough.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

What is the worst and/or best Smash Bros clone that you have played?

In my case, the best would be Brawhalla. Not sure about the worst one.

The worst would probably be Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Brawlhalla tbh.

 

[Deleted member]

That would actually be my least favorite. Favorite is Slap City with Super Smash Flash 2 coming up close. I'd say Rivals but I haven't played enough.

I played Smash Flash 2, but i don't see it as a clone, but in fact as a real Smash game.

A fan made one, but pretty close in quality to the official titles.

 

[Deleted member]

What is the worst and/or best Smash Bros clone that you have played?

In my case, the best would be Brawhalla. Not sure about the worst one.

I've only played three of them, but I definitely give it to Rivals of Aether as the best. Worst would be PSASBR, no doubt about that lol

 

[osby]

What is the worst and/or best Smash Bros clone that you have played?

In my case, the best would be Brawhalla. Not sure about the worst one.

Best: Super Smash Flash 2
Worst: Super Smash Bros Crusade

 

[Pyra]

Um... what. Literally what. I don't even.

(Vaati in Minish Cap could maybe be replaced with Ganondorf without changing the plot much, except that it's the origin story of both Vaati and the Four Sword and Ganondorf's backstory wouldn't work too well in the context of the Minish.)

*takes a shot*

Skull Kid is Vaatidorf

I've only played three of them, but I definitely give it to Rivals of Aether as the best. Worst would be PSASBR, no doubt about that lol

I forgot about PSASBR but honestly I enjoy that more than Brawlhalla. And that's saying something, cause ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[Deleted member]

What is the worst and/or best Smash Bros clone that you have played?

In my case, the best would be Brawhalla. Not sure about the worst one.

Best would have to be Rivals of Aether. Worst would be SSF1 if fangames count.