Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[osby]

It'd need a complete overhaul to be good.

Probably. I just feel bad for its fans. It had a suprisingly loyal fanbase that tried and succeed making Sony make new patches for the game.

Crusade’s roster is great because it’s like 3 different eras of people, all with different ideas, and with completely incompatible ideas for what the game should be. It started as 4 people making a Smash game with whatever characters they wanted specifically wanted (this is where Ristar, Mach Rider, Chun-Li, and Goku came from.) Other planned characters include a trio of Kirby helpers that would switch with down special, and Acro the Acrobat. Most of the current cast was made by this team. Sense there was only 4 people, quality control was low.

Chun-Li is notable for being the only character to ever be considered to be cut, as all teams had a Sakurai like attitude of “X character had fans, so no matter how stupid, they stay.” Chunners is the exception, sense she was put in for demo v0.7, which only had two characters, and they felt that wasn’t enough.

Control of the game past to another team around 2011. This team attempted to legitimize the roster by dropping most of the wacky planned characters, though some oddities remain. For example, there’s the botched implementation of Weegee, who was meant to be an ultra secret character, with no real indication that he had been unlocked, accessed by toggling Luigi’s eyes. He was a normal alternate character instead. Snivy also came in at this time. Snivy was intended as a gift for the guy who programmed online mode, but was then promoted to a slot on the (possibly scrapped) Unova Pokemon Trainer alternate character for PT. Sense Snivy was complete, she was made playable. Spriters also had free reign to work on whoever, which is why you have Geno getting in before Bowser, or Tingle before Zelda.

Today, the game is developed behind closed doors, with an emphasis on redoing most of the existing cast. The roster has likely been overhauled again, sense Shantae was not on either of the previous rosters. I’d wager that no cuts will be made though.

But yeah, it is a weird roster, and that’s part of the games charm. I totally get why it would be a turn off though.

That's a pretty cool story.

 

[DerpingPikachu]

Wow, what a fruitful childhood.

My childhood too lol.

 

[JustCallMeJon]

Just to let Everyone know:

 

[LetterO]

What is the worst and/or best Smash Bros clone that you have played?

In my case, the best would be Brawhalla. Not sure about the worst one.

Despite how good Slap City and Rivals of Aether are, Punch Time Explosion XL was also very dear to my heart. Lots of nostalgia there.

Worst is Brawlhalla.

 

[Gyrom8]

I really don't care how different Ganondorf is between games, it doesn't change the fact he's still the same entity. The only Ganondorf that's a different person is in FSA where he's explicitely told to be a new incarnation much like TP Link is a different incarnation of the Hero of Time.

Also, BOTW doesn't need to imply anything when we KNOW him from past games. There'd be a problem if this was a completely original villain who we have no idea about, but we do, so we know his origins and what likely led to this current form. Leaving dots for players to connect isn't lazy writing, as some seem to think.

I don't think it's lazy writing, but I don't think its a conscious effort on Nintendo's part to leave dots either. It's just Nintendo flip-flopping between treating each Zelda game independently and their post-hoc attempt to impose a timeline; which is slightly awkward for Ganon, when he's pretty much the only character in the series who appears across multiple games (I mean as the same guy - not like Link or Zelda who live through multiple incarnations and descendants.).
..Anyways, this wasn't meant to be an attack on BOTW, more of a gripe with SS for trying to tie things together with Demise (who wasn't even necessary: we could have started things off with OOT Ganondorf and it would've been fine).

 

[Deleted member]

Weegee being in Crusade is great because it's a throwback to YouTube Poops of my childhood

This is where I'd normally complain about his botched implementation, but I'm just glad that Mr. Volcano/George makes a cameo in one of Weegee's pummels.

 

[amazonevan19]

2 minutes until more disappointment!

 

[Deleted member]

Uhhh... that wasn't pointed at you, buddy.

I was stating my own opinion like everyone else.

My mistake.
I apologize.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

2 minutes until more disappointment!

Even more!

Aww, come on.

 

[Deleted member]

I love the fact that Smash Flash 2 players see Mr.Incredible in the same way that we see Goku.

 

[amazonevan19]

The third round of the Heroic Feats event is underway! Send Infantry Heroes into battle for a total of 70M times to get the 4★ Hero Marisa: Crimson Flash. Which Heroes would you choose to battle? See in-game messages for more info. #FEHeroes pic.twitter.com/Z1X0Tc8iFC

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) October 18, 2018

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[Deleted member]

I love the fact that Smash Flash 2 players see Mr.Incredible in the same way that we see Goku.

I just wish Mr. Incredible was in SSF1 mode. Like, he's just there with no explanation, and only for that mode.

 

[Majora's Visage]

The third round of the Heroic Feats event is underway! Send Infantry Heroes into battle for a total of 70M times to get the 4★ Hero Marisa: Crimson Flash. Which Heroes would you choose to battle? See in-game messages for more info. #FEHeroes pic.twitter.com/Z1X0Tc8iFC

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) October 18, 2018

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See you next week guys

 

[Deleted member]

I just wish Mr. Incredible was in SSF1 mode. Like, he's just there with no explanation, and only for that mode.

And with the suit from the flashback scene.

 

[JoyStar]

Next week is also the 11th anniversary since Sonic was announced for Brawl.

#TailsandShadowduorevealconfirmed

Next week is also the 18th anniversary of Majora's Mask in the US (Little Mac was revealed on his US anniversary as well). I feel like it would be fitting next week to reveal Skull Kid as a unique fighter and Shadow as an echo. Especially seeing as some stuff's going out November 2nd IIRC. Maybe a final big Direct in the last week of November that has Ken in it.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

The third round of the Heroic Feats event is underway! Send Infantry Heroes into battle for a total of 70M times to get the 4★ Hero Marisa: Crimson Flash. Which Heroes would you choose to battle? See in-game messages for more info. #FEHeroes pic.twitter.com/Z1X0Tc8iFC

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) October 18, 2018

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Huh.

 

[Deleted member]

Next week is also the 18th anniversary of Majora's Mask in the US (Little Mac was revealed on his US anniversary as well). I feel like it would be fitting next week to reveal Skull Kid as a unique fighter and Shadow as an echo. Especially seeing as some stuff's going out November 2nd OORC. Maybe a final big Direct in the last week of November that has Ken in it.

Will we get a Blog update for Sonic?

Or did he get one already?

 

[osby]

The third round of the Heroic Feats event is underway! Send Infantry Heroes into battle for a total of 70M times to get the 4★ Hero Marisa: Crimson Flash. Which Heroes would you choose to battle? See in-game messages for more info. #FEHeroes pic.twitter.com/Z1X0Tc8iFC

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) October 18, 2018

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Wait, people still play this game?

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

I don't think it's lazy writing, but I don't think its a conscious effort on Nintendo's part to leave dots either. It's just Nintendo flip-flopping between treating each Zelda game independently and their post-hoc attempt to impose a timeline; which is slightly awkward for Ganon, when he's pretty much the only character in the series who appears across multiple games (I mean as the same guy - not like Link or Zelda who live through multiple incarnations and descendants.).
..Anyways, this wasn't meant to be an attack on BOTW, more of a gripe with SS for trying to tie things together with Demise (who wasn't even necessary: we could have started things off with OOT Ganondorf and it would've been fine).

If you interperted Demise and Ganondorf's relation as a curse and not necessarily a reincarnation it's not as bad. I thought it ruined any characterization Ganondorf had, but it doesn't have to necessarily.

The third round of the Heroic Feats event is underway! Send Infantry Heroes into battle for a total of 70M times to get the 4★ Hero Marisa: Crimson Flash. Which Heroes would you choose to battle? See in-game messages for more info. #FEHeroes pic.twitter.com/Z1X0Tc8iFC

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) October 18, 2018

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Hey y'all complained they didn't post at 10 am last time. They listened to you so don't complain again

 

[Deleted member]

And with the suit from the flashback scene.

Or, they use this version. Y'know, sense he's already "done."

 

[JoyStar]

Will we get a Blog update for Sonic?

Or did he get one already?

I actually don't know, I haven't been keeping up too much with the blog updates.

 

[Deleted member]

If you interperted Demise and Ganondorf's relation as a curse and not necessarily a reincarnation it's not as bad. I thought it ruined any characterization Ganondorf had, but it doesn't have to necessarily.

Hey y'all complained they didn't post at 10 am last time. They listened to you so don't complain again

True.

And i find FE Heroes better than Pokémon Go.

 

[CosmicQuark]

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Nintendo: Here are some other games you can play while you wait for Smash.
Me: I don't wanna--all I want is Smash.

 

[DarkShadow20]

Wait, people still play this game?

We play it for the waifus.

 

[SigmaMewtwo]

Will we get a Blog update for Sonic?

Or did he get one already?

We did in fact get Sonic's blog update way back in July:

Need a little speed? Sonic the Hedgehog returns in Super #SmashBrosUltimate! As you might imagine, he’s lightning quick and his rush attacks help keep the pressure on. Watch out for his Super Sonic Final Smash!https://t.co/ttxuYMdlDz https://t.co/niA0rRN8KM

— Nintendo Versus (@NintendoVS) July 2, 2018

 

[Deleted member]

At the moment, this is how i rank the Nintendo mobile apps from best to worst (not counting Dragalia because i am in Europe, sadly):

-Mario Run (just pay one time to get the full game, so i'm fine with that).
-Fire Emblem Heroes (with microtransactions, but also modes that i enjoyed a lot).
-Animal Crossingocket Camp (Not as great as FEH for me, but not bad for what it is. Nice graphics too).
-Miitomo (the worst mobile game by Nintendo for me. You only answer questions and edit your Mii. Not even as decent as Tamagotchi).
-The Mario Run stickers (free, but i don't use messages).
-The Line stickers (just... No).

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

We play it for the waifus.

I forgot this was in reference to FE Heroes and thought it was related to Smash, and honestly I didn't question it right away.

 

[Flyboy]

Whenever I'm feeling impatient I just look at my countdown app and it's all put into perspective.



We are so much closer than we think.

 

[osby]

I forgot this was in reference to FE Heroes and thought it was related to Smash, and honestly I didn't question it right away.

I mean, judging from your icon, it's obvious why you play Smash.

 

[RandomAce]

It was a mistranslation on NOA's part, It's actually her Link to the Past design (A Link to the Past and A Link Between Worlds have almost the exact same Japanese name (Triforce of the Gods and Triforce of the Gods 2, respectively), aside from a 2 being added).

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Because of that, I kinda doubt that Hilda's gonna be a Zelda echo...

Nintendo of America never made an error.

They said at E3 that Zelda was based on a Link to the Past. People probably got confused themselves.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

You can thank the localisation team for the exact word, but yeah, it's astonishing what marketing can accomplish.

Spoiler

This is still relevant.

 

[osby]

Whenever I'm feeling impatient I just look at my countdown app and it's all put into perspective.

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We are so much closer than we think.

*sees Persona Q2 behind countdown* Same.

 

[Heracr055]

Speaking of Echoes...I was watching Dabuz's video about Marth, and about how he's essentially trading off his ground game (ie worse Dancing Blade and loss of jab confirms) for the aerial dominance being handed to him. I wonder how Lucina will fare (or should I say Fair) in light of these changes
On the plus side they got a quicker grab I guess

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Nintendo of America never made an error.

They said at E3 that Zelda was based on a Link to the Past. People probably got confused themselves.

I'm proud of my ability to quickly find and provide evidence

 

[Flyboy]

*sees Persona Q2 behind countdown* Same.

Minako and Joker in the same picture, on equal footing heals my soul every time. Had to make it my phone background.

 

[MrSmashFour]

Nintendo of America never made an error.

They said at E3 that Zelda was based on a Link to the Past. People probably got confused themselves.

No, they didn't

 

[SigmaMewtwo]

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I'm proud of my ability to quickly find and provide evidence

You beat me to the punch!

I also cataloged every bit of spoken dialogue from the directs, so I was just trying to find where specifically they said it in the E3 direct. Yes, I have seen each of the Smash directs several times.

 

[osby]

Minako and Joker in the same picture, on equal footing heals my soul every time. Had to make it my phone background.

Not to sound dramatic, but if four protagonists have a unison attack, I'll probably die.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Minako and Joker in the same picture, on equal footing heals my soul every time. Had to make it my phone background.

Oh my god, that sounds like perfection.

I need this is in my life.

 

[IsmaR]

Speaking of Echoes...I was watching Dabuz's video about Marth, and about how he's essentially trading off his ground game (ie worse Dancing Blade and loss of jab confirms) for the aerial dominance being handed to him. I wonder how Lucina will fare (or should I say Fair) in light of these changes
On the plus side they got a quicker grab I guess

We don't know what new set ups there are just yet, though I've seen some potential in Marth's Side B itself being able to link to Marth's Up B.

I can only assume it relies a lot on spacing/stage layout in this instance, though I'd imagine Lucina probably has an easier time pulling stuff like this off given no tipper to accidentally ruin things.

That said, both are looking extremely strong this time around even with the loss of jab. I think they'll benefit from the new mechanics more than a lot of swordfighters.