Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[N3ON]

The press have a bad habit to leak Nintendo Games tho- especially the Pokemon games like XY and S/M so who knows.
But I don't think there going to be anything leakable for that Smash. I truly hope we will know everything before the reviews copy start flying around

I'm almost positive X/Y was leaked by a BRAVE AND NOBLE Canadian who managed to snag a copy pre-street-release.

 

[Shroob]

I have a hard time imagining that the game hasn't gone gold at this point.

There's only 50 days until release... Unless they're cutting it close, it either has gone or is on the verge of going gold.

 

[Nekoo]

I'm almost positive X/Y was leaked by a BRAVE AND NOBLE Canadian who managed to snag a copy pre-street-release.

I bet they were just jelly that the region was based on France

 

[N3ON]

I bet they were just jelly that the region was based on France

Only if they were from Quebec.

 

[praline]

Looks extremely legit. :,)

This is clearly fake. The Luminary isn’t even in the same style as everyone else. He kinda clashes and is a bit of an eyesore really lol. I really want a Dragon Quest character in Smash but please not this guy. It has to be Erdrick or Eight.

 

[MSmariosonic]

That 100 video game medley posted on the main page is sick

When comparing the music in the medley to the music available in Ultimate it again shows of how big of a crossover SSBU really is

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I'm almost positive X/Y was leaked by a BRAVE AND NOBLE Canadian who managed to snag a copy pre-street-release.

Yeah, I remember sitting up all night on Serebii while waiting for the one or two people who had a copy to progress through the game and discover new Pokémon, great times.

 

[DarthEnderX]

My guess as to why no BotW Zelda?

They said why. This time around, he wanted all the Zelda characters to be from different parts of the franchise.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

They said why. This time around, he wanted all the Zelda characters to be from different parts of the franchise.

Except Young Link still takes wayyy more influence from Ocarina of Time than Majora’s Mask, so I’m inclined to say that’s not as a hard rule as much as a neat idea Sakurai played around with for the Zelda characters.

 

[praline]

Except Young Link still takes wayyy more influence from Ocarina of Time than Majora’s Mask, so I’m inclined to say that’s not as a hard rule as much as a neat idea Sakurai played around with for the Zelda characters.

You say that but Young Link probably has a fierce deity final smash

 

[osby]

You say that but Young Link probably has a fierce deity final smash

Yeah but is either from OoT or BotW, so still not a hard rule. ()

EDIT: Also, nice Lilith icon

 

[Zinith]

One of those Zelda characters should've been based on Skyward Sword...

Spoiler

Maybe Impa

 

[osby]

One of those Zelda characters should've been based on Skyward Sword...

Demise as a Ganondorf echo, coming right up!

 

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah but is either from OoT or BotW, so still not a hard rule. ()

They shoulda kept TP Ganondorf, minus the chest hole.

Ooh, or HW Ganondorf.[/QUOTE]

 

[HyruleHero]

One of those Zelda characters should've been based on Skyward Sword...

Spoiler

Maybe Impa

Nintendo probably wouldn't agree. The sales for Skyward sword are the lowest of all the Zelda games (and I don't think that many people liked it). Having a character in the Twilight princess style would appeal to the zelda fans more.

Fun fact apparently phantom hourglass sold more than skyward sword (I prefer phantom hourglass but it surprised me considering SS is a main console game)

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Is there actually discussion or a general consensus where we might see a charadter includes in the character mural if they were not all rearranged in order to make the character fit? Like any spaces or openings that logical make sense?

 

[Zinith]

Nintendo probably wouldn't agree. The sales for Skyward sword are the lowest of all the Zelda games (and I don't think that many people liked it). Having a character in the Twilight princess style would appeal to the zelda fans more.

Fun fact apparently phantom hourglass sold more than skyward sword (I prefer phantom hourglass but it surprised me considering SS is a main console game)

Spoiler

Twilight Princess is my least favorite 3D Zelda

 

[PLATINUM7]

Nintendo probably wouldn't agree. The sales for Skyward sword are the lowest of all the Zelda games (and I don't think that many people liked it). Having a character in the Twilight princess style would appeal to the zelda fans more.

Fun fact apparently phantom hourglass sold more than skyward sword (I prefer phantom hourglass but it surprised me considering SS is a main console game)

The DS had a user base over 50 million greater.

Skyward Sword may be the lowest selling console Zelda but it's not the worst selling Zelda game. That would actually be Minish Cap from the sales figures I've seen.

 

[HyruleHero]

Spoiler

Twilight Princess is my least favorite 3D Zelda

Spoiler

Same, it was boring and if you don't get into the story straight away you're not going to enjoy the game

The DS had a user base over 50 million greater.

Skyward Sword may be the lowest selling console Zelda but it's not the worst selling Zelda game. That would actually be Minish Cap from the sales figures I've seen.

Which is weird for me because Minish Cap was my favourite 2D zelda game (I loved all the capcom games)

also Skyward Sword was on the best selling console at the time (or at least the most owned) so it should have done much better than it did, something went wrong.

 

[Impa4Smash]

One of those Zelda characters should've been based on Skyward Sword...

Spoiler

Maybe Impa

I like your attitude!

 

[Zinith]

The DS had a user base over 50 million greater.

Skyward Sword may be the lowest selling console Zelda but it's not the worst selling Zelda game. That would actually be Minish Cap from the sales figures I've seen.

Also I wouldn't call Skyward Sword a failure in any reasonable measure. If Nintendo wanted to brush it under the rug, it wouldn't have been heavily referenced in Hyrule Warriors, the Skyloft stage in Smash and even the Fi reference in freakin' Breath of the Wild

 

[Impa4Smash]

Skyward Sword's biggest problem (besides the wonky controls) was how linear it was. Besides that - great dungeons, great bosses, great characters, emotional story, etc.

 

[Aurane]

Skyward Sword has Fi so it factually cannot be bad.

 

[Curious Villager]

The DS had a user base over 50 million greater.

Skyward Sword may be the lowest selling console Zelda but it's not the worst selling Zelda game. That would actually be Minish Cap from the sales figures I've seen.

As a Minish Cap fan, this makes me sad....
I'm not too surprised on Phantom Hourglass though, despite It's reception, I recall it selling quite well. (At least well enough to get a sequel)

 

[PLATINUM7]

Also I wouldn't call Skyward Sword a failure in any reasonable measure. If Nintendo wanted to brush it under the rug, it wouldn't have been heavily referenced in Hyrule Warriors, the Skyloft stage in Smash and even the Fi reference in freakin' Breath of the Wild

Its sales figures aren't even that far off numerous other titles in the series. It even outperforms Majora's Mask is you just count the N64 release.

 

[HyruleHero]

Skyward Sword has Fi so it factually cannot be bad.

I feel like you and me are remembering a different game, Fi was the worst companion i've ever had in a game fullstop. She was a fine character but because of all her 'assistance' the game is VERY hard to pick up and play again.

Skyward Sword's biggest problem (besides the wonky controls) was how linear it was. Besides that - great dungeons, great bosses, great characters, emotional story, etc.

The bosses weren't that good, besides the golden statue dude all the bosses where obvious to kill and were not in any way unique, they also took a lot of hits when you just had to do the same thing over and over (also I hate the scorpion because of the game controls).
The characters were different for zelda, however minus link and zelda I'd say all (most after Oot) the other games had more likeable characters and better villains.

 

[Impa4Smash]

I feel like you and me are remembering a different game, Fi was the worst companion i've ever had in a game fullstop. She was a fine character but because of all her 'assistance' the game is VERY hard to pick up and play again.


The bosses weren't that good, besides the golden statue dude all the bosses where obvious to kill and were not in any way unique, they also took a lot of hits when you just had to do the same thing over and over (also I hate the scorpion because of the game controls).
The characters were different for zelda, however minus link and zelda I'd say all (most after Oot) the other games had more likeable characters and better villains.

Gotta disagree. Ghirahim is one of the series best villains by far. And Impa and Groose are great supporting characters. And I don't think the bosses were repetitive, besides Ghirahim, and he was supposed to be, since he made you fight more advanced with your sword.

But I agree about Fi. She was the worst. And I loathed her every time I was low on batteries. I guess cuz of that I included her with the wonky controls rather than the characters

 

[Aurane]

I feel like you and me are remembering a different game, Fi was the worst companion i've ever had in a game fullstop. She was a fine character but because of all her 'assistance' the game is VERY hard to pick up and play again.

I shouldn't have to type /s after something so obviously sarcastic.

 

[Radical Bones]

SS is one of my favourite Zelda games, particularly from a story telling POV. The controls weren't great, sure, but what annoyed me most was the it reminded you what each item was every time you loaded the game haha.

 

[HyruleHero]

Gotta disagree. Ghirahim is one of the series best villains by far. And Impa and Groose are great supporting characters. And I don't think the bosses were repetitive, besides Ghirahim, and he was supposed to be, since he made you fight more advanced with your sword.

But I agree about Fi. She was the worst. And I loathed her every time I was low on batteries. I guess cuz of that I included her with the wonky controls rather than the characters

I did enjoy Ghirahim as a character, however compared to the other villains in other games;

• Ganondorf: A man with a valid reason for taking over Hyrule, method behind madness (in wind waker his character was greatly improved)
• Vaati: The great wind mage in the four swords titles (EDIT) he has lost his humanity and causes great unrest in Hyrule after kidnapping the 7 maidens (EDIT). However in Minish Cap Vaati has a backstory and he becomes a 'relatable' villain (also hella fun to fight)
• Skull Kid (Majoras Mask): Probably one of the best villains to come out of a Zelda game, originally just trying to make friend uses the mask just to play tricks. But the Mask itself is just plain old evil, no reason, no explaination and its great.
• Onox: pretty much an Iron Knuckle, fun to fight, He abducts Din to disrupt the four seasons and cause chaos in Holodrum all to light the Flame of Destruction, one of two flames needed to resurrect Ganon.
• Veran: Abducts/possesses Nayru and goes back in time, changes the past causing the people of Labrynna great Sorrow. This is all done so that the Flame of Sorrow is lit the other flame needed to bring back Ganon.
• Ganon: The foulest form of evil, and possessor of the Triforce of power. With no real motive other than to destroy all in its path the beast lay waste to all.

sorry kind of got into it...

 

[Jeck]

They said why. This time around, he wanted all the Zelda characters to be from different parts of the franchise.

They said it's because "BotW Zelda is more into research anyways" but the real question you should be asking is why is it her Link Between Worlds appearance? Hmm.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

SubSpace Emissary was boring

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Is there actually discussion or a general consensus where we might see a charadter includes in the character mural if they were not all rearranged in order to make the character fit? Like any spaces or openings that logical make sense?

I think the thing that stands out to me right now is that the Mii Gunner is seperated from the other Mii fighters, as if she is just covering up an empty spot right now. I could see her moving to the other Mii fighters and something or someone taking her place.

 

[Deleted member]

Ganondorf: A man with a valid reason for taking over Hyrule, method behind madness (in wind waker his character was greatly improved

I wouldn't call "I want my people to have a better home" a valid reason for genocide. Actually, I wouldn't call any reason valid for genocide. Is Ganondorf somewhat relatable? Yeah, but he really crossed the line when he did everything he did which, oh boy, is a really big list.

Vaati: The great wind mage in the four swords titles he is similar to Ghirahim in the fact he's trying to resurrect Ganon rather than Demise. However in Minish Cap Vaati has a backstory and he becomes a 'relatable' villain (also hella fun to fight)

Correction but Vaati never tries to ressurrect Ganon. Rather, in FSA, Ganondorf II releases him as a distraction. By the point Vaati is fought in FS and FSA he's already lost any semblance of hunanity(or whatever is the equivalent to the Minish)

SubSpace Emissary was boring View attachment 170504

Dunno what's worse: the fact you used pepe or that you think you're doing some controversial hot take

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I wouldn't call "I want my people to have a better home" a valid reason for genocide. Actually, I wouldn't call any reason valid for genocide. Is Ganondorf somewhat relatable? Yeah, but he really crossed the line when he did everything he did which, oh boy, is a really big list.

Correction but Vaati never tries to ressurrect Ganon. Rather, in FSA, Ganondorf II releases him as a distraction. By the point Vaati is fought in FS and FSA he's already lost any semblance of hunanity(or whatever is the equivalent to the Minish)

Dunno what's worse: the fact you used pepe or that you think you're doing some controversial hot take

Tbf Ganon just wanted power to help his people but he went mad with it

 

[Luigifan18]

I wouldn't call "I want my people to have a better home" a valid reason for genocide. Actually, I wouldn't call any reason valid for genocide. Is Ganondorf somewhat relatable? Yeah, but he really crossed the line when he did everything he did which, oh boy, is a really big list.

Correction but Vaati never tries to ressurrect Ganon. Rather, in FSA, Ganondorf II releases him as a distraction. By the point Vaati is fought in FS and FSA he's already lost any semblance of hunanity(or whatever is the equivalent to the Minish)

Dunno what's worse: the fact you used pepe or that you think you're doing some controversial hot take

Vaati had spoken lines and human emotions in Four Swords (at the very least, he had the classic villain arrogance, as well as a rather disturbing degree of lust). Four Swords Adventures didn't give him any dialogue or characterization, though. He did get a more fleshed-out personality in Minish Cap, which completely changed his motivation from lust for ...erm, Princess Zelda to a lust for power.

 

[Gyrom8]

Ganon's motives are a mess at this point tbh. Wind Waker suggests he cares for the Gerudo but then SS and BOTW come along suggesting that before there was Ganondorf there was Ganon and that his Gerudo form was just some kind of cynical reincarnation (I think Urbosa says something to that effect). SS really didn't help with the whole Demise thing - who wasn't even an interesting villain anyway.

 

[RandomAce]

What's wrong with waiting?

This thread right now.

 

[Zinith]

This thread right now.

Eh, it's fine right now. Not every second of this thread has to be filled with a billion posts...

 

[Majora's Visage]

does anyone know if the poweras gamecube controllers will have any form of rumble

No, none of them do. None have amiibo capabilities either if that matters. Still, a wireless gamecube controller is tempting, even if it runs on double a batteries