Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

Tbf Ganon just wanted power to help his people but he went mad with it

Which is why I said he was "relatable" rather than "reasonable"

 

[Pyra]

I wish I had enough power to go mad with it.


Anyway, good morning folks.

 

[MSmariosonic]

I don't know why but somethin' tells me we won't get a direct this week :v

 

[Deleted member]

Vaati had spoken lines and human emotions in Four Swords (at the very least, he had the classic villain arrogance, as well as a rather disturbing degree of lust). Four Swords Adventures didn't give him any dialogue or characterization, though. He did get a more fleshed-out personality in Minish Cap, which completely changed his motivation from lust for ...erm, Princess Zelda to a lust for power.

I mean, Ganon does have some dialogue in ALttP, for example, doesn't mean he's still the same Ganondorf that we knew from OoT.

Ganon's motives are a mess at this point tbh. Wind Waker suggests he cares for the Gerudo but then SS and BOTW come along suggesting that before there was Ganondorf there was Ganon and that his Gerudo form was just some kind of cynical reincarnation (I think Urbosa says something to that effect). SS really didn't help with the whole Demise thing - who wasn't even an interesting villain anyway.

Did you actually play any of those games or are you just making assumptions? Because SS only has Demise as the reasoning for Ganondorf's near immortality and BOTW's placement is unknown(but it pretty much implies it happens at the end point of all the other timelines). People need to stop acting like Ganon and Ganondorf are separate entities, they're one and the same, the names are just used to differentiate the two forms more easily.
Calamity Ganon is pretty much implied to be Fall Timeline Ganon(as Child Timeline's is dead(twice) and Adult's is stuck as a stone in the bottom of the ocean) after countless cycles of reincarnation that basically destroyed any remains of Ganondorf, be it mentally or in physical form, he evolved into a being of pure chaos and that actually makes it quite tragic tbh

 

[Zinith]

I don't know why but somethin' tells me we won't get a direct this week :v

*GASP!!!*

Oh my god, it makes perfect sense!!!

 

[Pyra]

I don't know why but somethin' tells me we won't get a direct this week :v

I don't think so either.
I never did.
I do strongly hold we'll have one this month though.

People are weird. They started saying "GUESS NO DIRECT IN OCTOBER" as soon as the first week was over.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I don't think so either.
I never did.
I do strongly hold we'll have one this month though.

People are weird. They started saying "GUESS NO DIRECT IN OCTOBER" as soon as the first week was over.

I still think something will happen on the 24th. I don't know what strangely obscure thing they'll reveal on that bar event in Montreal, but we might find out soon, I guess.

 

[Pyra]

I still think something will happen on the 24th. I don't know what strangely obscure thing they'll reveal on that bar event in Montreal, but we might find out soon, I guess.

Something tells me the secrecy isn't really important.
This isn't an official event (it's not listed on the website of Smash Bros) and even at official events they aren't allowed to stream certain stages due to music or something.

So if they took away streaming completely then they don't have to worry about that.

Not saying that's the reason though. Their wording is definitely teasing something, or so we think, but I honestly doubt it'll amount to much.

 

[praline]

Yeah but is either from OoT or BotW, so still not a hard rule. ()

EDIT: Also, nice Lilith icon

I mean where else could Sheik be from? lol

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Something tells me the secrecy isn't really important.
This isn't an official event (it's not listed on the website of Smash Bros) and even at official events they aren't allowed to stream certain stages due to music or something.

So if they took away streaming completely then they don't have to worry about that.

Not saying that's the reason though. Their wording is definitely teasing something, or so we think, but I honestly doubt it'll amount to much.

Yeah, it's just that I'm thinking that what they'll reveal there is something most people wouldn't really expect to see, like Into the Breach, or some Canadian-made game that never got revealed before.

 

[Pyra]

This is clearly fake. The Luminary isn’t even in the same style as everyone else. He kinda clashes and is a bit of an eyesore really lol. I really want a Dragon Quest character in Smash but please not this guy. It has to be Erdrick or Eight.

Maybe I'm weird but I got unreasonably attached to XI's hero haha so I wouldn't mind.
But from XI I'd much rather see any of the other party members, especially Jade (...or Rab) in Smash than him.

I also wouldn't mind the Erdrick or Eight, especially since I'm playing VIII at the moment...

Yeah, it's just that I'm thinking that what they'll reveal there is something most people wouldn't really expect to see, like Into the Breach, or some Canadian-made game that never got revealed before.

Huh. Maybe.
We'll know later, I guess.

I'm expecting more "leaks" than what actually happened, but hey.

 

[praline]

Maybe I'm weird but I got unreasonably attached to XI's hero haha so I wouldn't mind.
But from XI I'd much rather see any of the other party members, especially Jade (...or Rab) in Smash than him.

I also wouldn't mind the Erdrick or Eight, especially since I'm playing VIII at the moment...


Huh. Maybe.
We'll know later, I guess.

I'm expecting more "leaks" than what actually happened, but hey.

Honestly the more I played 11 the more I thought it was ok. I don't know why but the game burned me out faster than most other games I've played. I still haven't beaten it yet, nor have I played it in 2 weeks.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I mean where else could Sheik be from? lol

No idea.

Unless it's secretly Sakurai implementing BOTW Zelda into the game, just under the Sheikah Set.

 

[Gyrom8]

I mean, Ganon does have some dialogue in ALttP, for example, doesn't mean he's still the same Ganondorf that we knew from OoT.

Did you actually play any of those games or are you just making assumptions? Because SS only has Demise as the reasoning for Ganondorf's near immortality and BOTW's placement is unknown(but it pretty much implies it happens at the end point of all the other timelines). People need to stop acting like Ganon and Ganondorf are separate entities, they're one and the same, the names are just used to differentiate the two forms more easily.
Calamity Ganon is pretty much implied to be Fall Timeline Ganon(as Child Timeline's is dead(twice) and Adult's is stuck as a stone in the bottom of the ocean) after countless cycles of reincarnation that basically destroyed any remains of Ganondorf, be it mentally or in physical form, he evolved into a being of pure chaos and that actually makes it quite tragic tbh

Yes I did play the games and I know that they're one and the same. But for Nintendo they might as well not be. There's barely any consistency. Wind Waker is the only game where they've given him any kind of relatable motive: in most other stories he either just wants power or is some kind of mindless evil. If BOTW had established that Calamity Ganon once had understandable motives - or any kind of motives at all - then fine, but it doesn't. Any attempt to connect the different depictions of Ganon(dorf) is largely down to the fans: Nintendo tried out a timeline with SS but BOTW showed they're not that fussed about maintaining consistency.

 

[Pyra]

Honestly the more I played 11 the more I thought it was ok. I don't know why but the game burned me out faster than most other games I've played. I still haven't beaten it yet, nor have I played it in 2 weeks.

I beat it in 40-ish hours and then beat the post-game and maxed out the characters about 50 hours after that >_>
It's one of my favorite games that I've played all year for sure. VIII in comparison is kinda burning me out a bit but I'm powering through it.


At the moment XI is my GotY (at least until Smash comes out ofc) haha. But I mean ofc to each their own

EDIT: I've been meaning to get into DQ for a while and XI was a great start for me. VIII is only burning me out cause it's on the 3ds tbh and i'm spending all day on it hahaha.


I need to get and play I, II, and III soon

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I beat it in 40-ish hours and then beat the post-game and maxed out the characters about 50 hours after that >_>
It's one of my favorite games that I've played all year for sure. VIII in comparison is kinda burning me out a bit but I'm powering through it.


At the moment XI is my GotY (at least until Smash comes out ofc) haha. But I mean ofc to each their own

Meanwhile, still no idea when or if X will come over here in any form.

 

[Pyra]

Meanwhile, still no idea when or if X will come over here in any form.

Maybe we should just wait for the Final Fantasy XIV of the series
Hopefully it'll be released globally that time.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Yes I did play the games and I know that they're one and the same. But for Nintendo they might as well not be. There's barely any consistency. Wind Waker is the only game where they've given him any kind of relatable motive: in most other stories he either just wants power or is some kind of mindless evil. If BOTW had established that Calamity Ganon once had understandable motives - or any kind of motives at all - then fine, but it doesn't. Any attempt to connect the different depictions of Ganon(dorf) is largely down to the fans: Nintendo tried out a timeline with SS but BOTW showed they're not that fussed about maintaining consistency.

Their most recent explanation of BOTW on the timeline literally boiled down to "It's up to the player". The timeline has never been big on Nintendo's agenda and I always thought it was best just to take whatever they gave you and not worry about connecting all of the lines. Because they've made no way to connect them.

On your point on Ganondorf though...each timeline Ganondorf is slightly a different person because that's how timelines work. And as for calamity ganon, it's supposed to be tens of thousands of years later so I imagine he's supposed to be so separated from humanity and such.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Yeah, all of the different iterations of him are slightly different.

I mean, I actually felt sympathy for Wind Waker's Ganon, and that's a side of him none of the other games have explored, at all.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Meanwhile, still no idea when or if X will come over here in any form.

A recent update on X said that they're interested in bringing an offline version to the west. Understandable, I guess.
I just hope this isn't one of the many things they say could come but ultimately never releases.

Oh, and they also said IX for mobiles is a possibility. That's cool, I would love to have them all on my phone. (Really hope they'd update 8 with the 3DS version).

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Their most recent explanation of BOTW on the timeline literally boiled down to "It's up to the player". The timeline has never been big on Nintendo's agenda and I always thought it was best just to take whatever they gave you and not worry about connecting all of the lines. Because they've made no way to connect them.

On your point on Ganondorf though...each timeline Ganondorf is slightly a different person because that's how timelines work. And as for calamity ganon, it's supposed to be tens of thousands of years later so I imagine he's supposed to be so separated from humanity and such.

It's mostly just Aonuma trying to make his fanfiction timeline canon. Sure, there's the Dark Horse/Soleil books, but those are not objectively official.

 

[Luigifan18]

I mean, Ganon does have some dialogue in ALttP, for example, doesn't mean he's still the same Ganondorf that we knew from OoT.

According to Hyrule Historia, Vaati is the same individual in all three games; he developed amnesia after his defeat in Minish Cap.

 

[Mellowy Yellow]

....what? http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/435603858

 

[osby]

....what? http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/435603858

What a conventional section.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Also I love when people go on and on about the depth of WW Ganondorf compared to all other Gannon/dorfs. #bestganon

Really wish Toon Ganondorf had a chance in Smash :/ I legit wouldn't be made if we got a unique Toon Ganondorf, and echo Toon Zelda so that we could have two complete triforce trios lol.

....what? http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/435603858

This goes for most of these crappy cropped blurry image leaks, but seriously that's the least intresting part and the easiest to fake...

And even if I were to give this a second though, maybe Anon is just a huge tease like that, I honestly don't see Marx as likely this late into the speculation game. I'd love it though.

 

[Pyra]

Wind Waker Ganondorf (... I guess "Toon" Dorf) is one of my wants for Smash Bros ngl
I know it'd leave us with 2 Triforces of Power, 2 Triforces of Wisdom, and 3 Triforces of Courage, but dammit

Dual sword wielding big boi Dorf needs in

I'll also accept Hyrule Warriors Dorf.

 

[Dukemon]

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is rated for 12 years in Germany. SSB64 on Wii as Melee on GameCube is rated for 6 years (what is closer to an E ranking from ESRB) Brawl and later are rated for 12 years. I have no idea which Valuation basis the USK is using. xD what is the diffrence between 64/Melee and Brawl/Smash4/Ultimate?
Is it because Snake?

 

[Iko MattOrr]

It's mostly just Aonuma trying to make his fanfiction timeline canon. Sure, there's the Dark Horse/Soleil books, but those are not objectively official.

I hate Zelda's timeline, it's so forced.
I can understand adult and child timeline, but what's the point of the fallen hero timeline? It doesn't make any sense... any game could start a fallen hero timeline if you want to.

Also, I remember seeing a timeline video on youtube before the timeline was officially announced... (I don't know, it was many years ago, but probably it was Gamexplain already, did it even exist at the time?) that video put Minish Cap as the first game because Link started with no hat, and treated the series as if it was always the same link in every game.
That was one of the first time the multiple timeline theory was introduced (and was totally fanmade), and I have always been against that.
The video was obviously wrong, people who made it were disinformed, and there were a lot of inconsistencies, though, when the official timeline was announced and I realized it was based on that video -.- really, the official timeline was suspiciously identical to the one in that video.

It's like if Aonuma looked at a random video on Youtube and said "OK, let's make this official!".

To me, the Zelda timeline, was, is, and always will be stupid.

 

[Zinith]

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is rated for 12 years in Germany. SSB64 on Wii as Melee on GameCube is rated for 6 years (what is closer to an E ranking from ESRB) Brawl and later are rated for 12 years. I have no idea which Valuation basis the USK is using. xD what is the diffrence between 64/Melee and Brawl/Smash4/Ultimate?
Is it because Snake?

*sigh* Don't remind me of Smash Ultimate's German rating

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is rated for 12 years in Germany. SSB64 on Wii as Melee on GameCube is rated for 6 years (what is closer to an E ranking from ESRB) Brawl and later are rated for 12 years. I have no idea which Valuation basis the USK is using. xD what is the diffrence between 64/Melee and Brawl/Smash4/Ultimate?
Is it because Snake?

No, because Smash 4 didn't have Snake

 

[Pyra]

*sigh* Don't remind me of Smash Ultimate's German rating

I'm sorry for your regional loss.

 

[osby]

No, because Smash 4 didn't have Snake

Maybe because it had Zero Suit Samus.

 

[Gyrom8]

Their most recent explanation of BOTW on the timeline literally boiled down to "It's up to the player". The timeline has never been big on Nintendo's agenda and I always thought it was best just to take whatever they gave you and not worry about connecting all of the lines. Because they've made no way to connect them.

On your point on Ganondorf though...each timeline Ganondorf is slightly a different person because that's how timelines work. And as for calamity ganon, it's supposed to be tens of thousands of years later so I imagine he's supposed to be so separated from humanity and such.

I get that: it's just that, as you said, it's up to the fans. Ganondorf's corruption into Calamity Ganon is something we have to assume, not something that's explored much by BOTW. It helps make sense of the timeline and the character, but it probably wasn't something Nintendo really intended as their tendency to treat each Zelda game as its own story usually overrides their concerns re: the timeline. And that's fine: the only time the timeline has helped a story has been WW, where its basis in OOT gives it more poignancy.

Also agree that Toon Ganondorf could be a great addition ... though kind of want a non-Triforce wielder first.

 

[Dukemon]

No, because Smash 4 didn't have Snake

USK was traumatized from last time.

Zinith : Jigglypuff and Captain Falcon from the first 12 are not on the cover, too.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I will make this quick blog updates for this week so far if nobody noticing

Monday was shulk

Tuesday was marshadow

Wednesday was “flash man stage music” and green greens (which kills the music theory again since that’s the second mega man song introduced I think.)

And today is cloud

 

[Guybrush20X6]

They said it's because "BotW Zelda is more into research anyways" but the real question you should be asking is why is it her Link Between Worlds appearance? Hmm.

That and also the fact that Zelda doesn't have a Hilda alt. Suspicious much?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

USK was traumatized from last time.

Zinith : Jigglypuff and Captain Falcon from the first 12 are not on the cover, too.

Pretty sure Yoshi was removed to make room for Pikachu (He makes lotsa dough for Nintendo), as the USK logo is bigger than other rating board logos and would've blocked Pikachu in the original image

 

[Dyllybirdy]

That and also the fact that Zelda doesn't have a Hilda alt. Suspicious much?

I thought it was both a combination of the designs from ALttP and ALBW.

But, hey, Hilda would be a cool echo.

 

[Zinith]

Pretty sure Yoshi was removed to make room for Pikachu (He makes lotsa douh for Nintendo), as the USK logo is bigger than other rating board logos and would've blocked Pikachu in the original image

It's still horse****. They could've worked around that without removing a single character...

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I thought it was both a combination of the designs from ALttP and ALBW.

But, hey, Hilda would be a cool echo.

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