Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Iridium]

I don't think I've ever heard the voices of & so clearly. Especially that Star KO...

 

[Dcas]

It would be made even worse by the fact that if this happens, Isabelle is our final newcomer. Let the salt flow.

Good lord, that would be the official way to close smash announcements since brawl: leave the less hype stuff for last.

 

[monadoboy]

Seriously who can hate this?

I can't say I hate Waluigi, but he always seemed an incredibly lazy character. Wario/Mario makes sense, flip the M, get the W, and it's a metaphor to how different they are as characters. But Waluigi? Uhhh slap Wa because Wario and uhhh upside down L.

Also I have to question how "important" he is if he's only relegated to spin-offs. He's a spin-off filler character no matter how you look at it. Toadette is far more "important" than him, and Toad a whole universe above him.

 

[Deleted member]

The only reason I oppose Chief is that there's no region where he's called "Halo," which sucks, sense I'd want to hear Xander Mobus announcing "HALO" and then I could mod his name to be Halo at all times.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

24 leak?

...You know what, never mind. Let's just say you had to be there to know about the supposed leak rumor. Embarrass

Good lord, that would be the official way to close smash announcements since brawl: leave the less hype stuff for last.

On the plus side, it'd be someone people are familiar with.

I can't say I hate Waluigi, but he always seemed an incredibly lazy character. Wario/Mario makes sense, flip the M, get the W, and it's a metaphor to how different they are as characters. But Waluigi? Uhhh slap Wa because Wario and uhhh upside down L.

Also I have to question how "important" he is if he's only relegated to spin-offs. He's a spin-off filler character no matter how you look at it. Toadette is far more "important" than him, and Toad a whole universe above him.

For whatever reason, Wario couldn't get a tennis partner (not even Syrup), so Camelot made one outta thin air. I swear, things would be much simpler at Nintendo if people weren't so culturally concerned about stepping on each other's toes (this is why hasn't been in a main Mario game until Super Mario Run, apparently).

 

[Luigi The President]

I can't say I hate Waluigi, but he always seemed an incredibly lazy character. Wario/Mario makes sense, flip the M, get the W, and it's a metaphor to how different they are as characters. But Waluigi? Uhhh slap Wa because Wario and uhhh upside down L.

Also I have to question how "important" he is if he's only relegated to spin-offs. He's a spin-off filler character no matter how you look at it. Toadette is far more "important" than him, and Toad a whole universe above him.

You're really underestimating the importance of these spin-offs.
They're practically their own thing at this point. Countless people know Mario Kart; actual Mario, not so much, in many cases.

The only reason I oppose Chief is that there's no region where he's called "Halo," which sucks, sense I'd want to hear Xander Mobus announcing "HALO" and then I could mod his name to be Halo at all times.

Eh kills Space Pirates and doesn't afraid of anything

 

[Deleted member]

I can't say I hate Waluigi, but he always seemed an incredibly lazy character. Wario/Mario makes sense, flip the M, get the W, and it's a metaphor to how different they are as characters. But Waluigi? Uhhh slap Wa because Wario and uhhh upside down L.

Also I have to question how "important" he is if he's only relegated to spin-offs. He's a spin-off filler character no matter how you look at it. Toadette is far more "important" than him, and Toad a whole universe above him.

All I'll say on importance is that Toad a lot of times gets put into the assistant role in those spin-offs while Waluigi is 9 times out of 10 playable.

Honestly, though, let's not start arguing about who is and isn't "important". If Smash operated on that, then hoo boy are there a lot of characters to cut.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Good lord, that would be the official way to close smash announcements since brawl: leave the less hype stuff for last.

That's what they usually do... don't they...
Brawl ended with Olimar
Smash 4 Ended with Shulk
This is why I'm not expecting someone like Isaac or Banjo Kazooie to be announced at the final Direct.
I'm expecting someone like Incineroar or something like that...
I'm not saying Incineroar isn't hype worthy, (as he definitely is by my standards) it's just most people don't view him as such...

 

[Untouch]

I like the Halo games, but I really feel like Doomguy should get in before him, he's WAY more connected to Nintendo.

 

[Luigi The President]

That's what they usually do... don't they...
Brawl ended with Olimar
Smash 4 Ended with Shulk
This is why I'm not expecting someone like Isaac or Banjo Kazooie to be announced at the final Direct.
I'm expecting someone like Incineroar or something like that...

To be fair.
This is NOT a normal Smash game or a normal news cycle.

 

[amazonevan19]

I agree with this but at the same time..while Waluigi isn't a character I personally clamor for. You can't deny he IS a Nintendo "All-Star" and deserves to be added eventually. Yes he hasn't had a main role. But people downplay the Mario spin-offs a little too much when games like Mario Party, Mario Kart, Mario Tennis outsell a LOT of franchises represented in Smash. Memes or not Waluigi is a very recognizable character. Ask a soccer mom on the street who Corrin is? Bet she couldn't tell you. Ask her who Waluigi is, I bet she would know. Like you said Waluigi's biggest hurdle wasn't the character himself but development priorities. Let's be honest here, during the ballot I RARELY saw Waluigi on fan polls or talked about to the nearest extent he is now. If his fans wanted him so badly maybe they should've thrown a bunch more votes his way in the ballot. We might be speaking a different tune right now...

I think a big problem with the "Waluigi fans should have voted in the ballot!" argument is that Waluigi was already BTFO'd by Sakurai hardcore at that point so they had no real motivation/reason to think Waluigi COULD ever get in.

It's kind of why I'm a bit worried for Shadow because his support in the ballot, albeit apparently pretty decently strong among Sonic characters, was probably tempered by the fact he was already deconfirmed as an AT. Though I had some idea that maybe ballot results could be used for 5, I was mainly focused on campaigning for Shadow to be promoted for smash 4. And I think most people bought into the marketing scheme that the ballot was about smash 4 representation - really it was an undercover straw poll for smash 5 all along.

All this is to say that hindsight is 20/20. It's easy to indict Waluigi fans for not being more vocal back then with the benefit of perspective, when back then there was little reason to mount a massive pro-Waluigi campaign.

 

[Dcas]

That's what they usually do... don't they...
Brawl ended with Olimar
Smash 4 Ended with Shulk
This is why I'm not expecting someone like Isaac or Banjo Kazooie to be announced at the final Direct.
I'm expecting someone like Incineroar or something like that...

Exactly, that would be the nail on the coffin. Oh well, the waiting game continues.

 

[Deleted member]

Uhhh slap Wa because Wario and uhhh upside down L.

If I recall correctly, Waluigi's name is a pun that doesn't translate. Wario works because in Japanese, "Waru" is evil, so he's evil Mario. However, since L in Japanese is substituted with R, "Waruiji" gets translated to "Waluigi," and the pun no longer works.

Someone please correct me if I'm talking out of my ass here, I don't know Japanese.

 

[Mrplutoguy112]

I can't say I hate Waluigi, but he always seemed an incredibly lazy character. Wario/Mario makes sense, flip the M, get the W, and it's a metaphor to how different they are as characters. But Waluigi? Uhhh slap Wa because Wario and uhhh upside down L.

Also I have to question how "important" he is if he's only relegated to spin-offs. He's a spin-off filler character no matter how you look at it. Toadette is far more "important" than him, and Toad a whole universe above him.

Waluigi just seems like we wants to fit in the Mario corporation. After years of being treated badly by the people around him and not reducing his own game u kinda feel bad for the guy.
I’m not saying he deserves to be in every Mario game or whatever but at least give him some spotlight time. Then maybe he’d change into a better character.

 

[Iridium]

Okay, so I just wonder, how many here prefer Krudd's design to ?

I know this has been discussed in the past, but I like this design, honestly.

 

[Zinith]

Oh btw, Boshi's Japanese name is Washi...

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Okay, so I just wonder, how many here prefer Krudd's design to ?

I know this has been discussed in the past, but I like this design, honestly.

That design looks cooler than the final design imo...
Also, that name is amazing...

 

[Shroob]

Is it also crazy to think that the order of which we're getting newcomers is when they were actually added to the game?


The whole "Character numbering" thing and Sakurai's own words seem to state that it "Shows when a character first appeared in Smash"..... so theoretically, someone like, Incineroar being one of the last characters kind of makes sense.


Though, the character numbering in general is off. We know Ganondorf was the last character due to Melee's debug ****, but then the Brawl stuff seems fairly accurate, and Smash4's is done via reveals.

 

[Noipoi]

Okay, so I just wonder, how many here prefer Krudd's design to ?

I know this has been discussed in the past, but I like this design, honestly.

Krudd looks like he belongs in a graphic novel. K Rool definitely fits more with the other Donkey Kong characters.
Not to say the design isn't cool, because it is.

 

[Deleted member]

Okay, so I just wonder, how many here prefer Krudd's design to ?

I know this has been discussed in the past, but I like this design, honestly.

It's a really neat design, but I think K. Rool's final design looks better next to the Kongs. I could see Krudd being repurposed for something else though. He gives me a Ninja Turtles vibe, and that's not a bad thing.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

That's what they usually do... don't they...
Brawl ended with Olimar
Smash 4 Ended with Shulk
This is why I'm not expecting someone like Isaac or Banjo Kazooie to be announced at the final Direct.
I'm expecting someone like Incineroar or something like that...

Exactly, that would be the nail on the coffin. Oh well, the waiting game continues.

As long as it's not Ken, anything less hype would be fine enough.

Waluigi just seems like we wants to fit in the Mario corporation. After years of being treated badly by the people around him and not reducing his own game u kinda feel bad for the guy.
I’m not saying he deserves to be in every Mario game or whatever but at least give him some spotlight time. Then maybe he’d change into a better character.

I know right, his few villain roles in spin-offs keep getting hijacked by . It wouldn't kill them to not follow tradition for one game, even the Zelda series affords to not use the same villain all the time when possible.

 

[monadoboy]

If I recall correctly, Waluigi's name is a pun that doesn't translate. Wario works because in Japanese, "Waru" is evil, so he's evil Mario. However, since L in Japanese is substituted with R, "Waruiji" gets translated to "Waluigi," and the pun no longer works.

Someone please correct me if I'm talking out of my *** here, I don't know Japanese.

Oh ya, I forgot about the waru thing. Still, it loses on the W/M thing, and the upside down L is dumb.

 

[LetterO]

Okay, so I just wonder, how many here prefer Krudd's design to ?

I know this has been discussed in the past, but I like this design, honestly.

I find it too realistic for a cartoony game. It's cool, but I don't think it fits the DK series.

 

[amazonevan19]

Okay, so I just wonder, how many here prefer Krudd's design to ?

I know this has been discussed in the past, but I like this design, honestly.

That is really damn cool. But something about the cartoony K Rool design really resonates with me. I can't imagine this being next to the Kongs. Maybe for some novelization or movie or something, but not as THE K Rool design.

 

[Beatrice]

I've never really understood some of the vitriol the waluigi/waluigi fans get for wanting him in the game. A not insignificant number of people accuse people supporting him as ironic meme support because he's sort of a butt-of-the-joke kind of character that isn't portrayed seriously. I don't personally like waluigi or those kinds of characters, but the cartoony, joke villain sort of character he is legitimately appeals to a lot of people.

 

[Noipoi]

Oh ya, I forgot about the waru thing. Still, it loses on the W/M thing, and the upside down L is dumb.

I think it's pretty funny, especially when lined up with Mario, Luigi, and Wario.
What would you prefer he wear?

 

[CosmicQuark]

It would be made even worse by the fact that if this happens, Isabelle is our final newcomer. Let the salt flow.

Sakurai just wants to prevent the obvious 69 jokes.

I can see two possibilities in my opinion:

Pessimistic: There are no new stages, which unfortunately lines up with the characters Verge has rumored--that would mean the SE rep is Geno, as he could be from a returning series and wouldn't require a stage (to the disappointment for those wanting Forest Maze). Seems more and more likely the closer we get to November as it's less likely to get anything outside of one more Smash Direct.

Optimistic: We are getting 5 new stages, lining up with CoroCoro. I feel like we're done with returning stages (RIP Pac-Maze), and it seems as though characters from returning series won't be getting new stages, outside of Mario and Zelda (maybe Pokemon). Would allow for more characters, particularly a Microsoft rep (you know who I'd pick) as presumably they're on board for at the very least a Minecraft assist trophy (but hopefully a stage as well, since that fits Minecraft better). I do wish we get a new first party series outside of Splatoon, and I'm hoping for Isaac. However, the closer we get, the less likely for multiple reveals outside of a Smash Direct.

 

[Deleted member]

Is it also crazy to think that the order of which we're getting newcomers is when they were actually added to the game?


The whole "Character numbering" thing and Sakurai's own words seem to state that it "Shows when a character first appeared in Smash"..... so theoretically, someone like, Incineroar being one of the last characters kind of makes sense.


Though, the character numbering in general is off. We know Ganondorf was the last character due to Melee's debug ****, but then the Brawl stuff seems fairly accurate, and Smash4's is done via reveals.

The Melee characters' numbers are based on the order you unlock them through Vs. Matches.

100
200
300
400
500
600
700
900
1,000

The Brawl and Smash 4 characters get this as well, but it also doubles as the order they were revealed. Also, Bowser Jr. was likely completed last out of the Smash 4 characters sense he was nearly cut.

 

[Mrplutoguy112]

As long as it's not Ken, anything less hype would be fine enough.



I know right, his few villain roles in spin-offs keep getting hijacked by . It wouldn't kill them to not follow tradition for one game, even the Zelda series affords to not use the same villain all the time when possible.

Nintendo really needs to learn that bowser doesn’t always have to be the villain in every Mario game. Just look at Mario Land the boss was Tetanga and the princess was Daisy something new to get involved with.
And yea the Zelda series does have different villains some that I think are way better then ganon like Vonte or demise.

 

[Mariomaniac45213]

Okay, so I just wonder, how many here prefer Krudd's design to ?

I know this has been discussed in the past, but I like this design, honestly.

It was originally designed for Battletoads and definitely would've fit more in line there or TMNT. I love the K.Rool we have now. He's the perfect silly goofy, yet insane/intimidating. K.Rool is the perfect cartoon GOOD saturday morning villain. Honestly the personality this character design gives off would feel more "generic by the books" bad guy. Where as anyone who ACTUALLY knows K.Rool's personality is anything but.

 

[SuperSceptile15]

Because people are stupid, Dante owes his entire existance to Nintendo because Devil May Cry was birth from an Alpha version of Resident Evil 4 (gamecube exclusive) that was deemed to be too action oriented.. (think about that for a minute while remembering RE5 and RE6)

Dante is pretty cool, but I feel like with Bayonetta already being in the game as Nintendo's own "DMC", he might overlap too much.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

My qualm with this is that Cloud is in. They're well-represented yet again, numerous FF content in the game. They're being promoted.
Geno wouldn't factor in too much, I'd imagine.

Cloud, in addition to being the highest voted for Final Fantasy was perfect cross promotion for the upcoming VII remake. And with his game now coming to the switch, it serves as even further showing for a game in the current public eye, as opposed to Geno and SMRPG to be fair.

 

[Luigi The President]

Cloud, in addition to being the highest voted for Final Fantasy was perfect cross promotion for the upcoming VII remake. And with his game now coming to the switch, it serves as even further showing for a game in the current public eye, as opposed to Geno and SMRPG to be fair.

That's kinda my point. They're getting heaps of promotion with Cloud.
Geno WOULD still promote a Squenix title too.

 

[Roberk]

Is it also crazy to think that the order of which we're getting newcomers is when they were actually added to the game?


The whole "Character numbering" thing and Sakurai's own words seem to state that it "Shows when a character first appeared in Smash"..... so theoretically, someone like, Incineroar being one of the last characters kind of makes sense.


Though, the character numbering in general is off. We know Ganondorf was the last character due to Melee's debug ****, but then the Brawl stuff seems fairly accurate, and Smash4's is done via reveals.

Edit: pay no attention to this, I misinterpreted what was being said.

 

[Gyrom8]

All this pro/anti talk about Waluigi and I'm not sure what to think. On the one hand, yeah, he could be a really fun edition. After Paper Mario and Fawful, he's my most wanted Mario rep.

... Yet there'd be something innately wrong about Waluigi getting into Smash. It's fundamentally to do with his character. Look how Wario is a corrupted and grotesque version of Mario. For Mario, it's all about saving the princess and possibly saving the world. On the way he may collect a load of coins, but that's hardly his end goal. Yet for Wario, getting money and treasure is what it's all about. If he happens to save a princess or a kingdom then whatever, but it's more of a side effect of his actions. This is most blatant in a scene where he literally chucks the princess he just saved to the side so he can claim his treasure.

What I'm getting at is that a similar situation goes for Luigi and Waluigi. One of Luigi's personality traits is his resentment at being overlooked and constantly living in his brother's shadow. Waluigi takes this to an extreme: he's self-pitying, thinks everyone else is cheating and yearns more than anything to be in the spotlight. Recognition to Waluigi is what money is to Wario. By including Waluigi in Smash - which is the Ultimate (har har) form of recognition - that would kind of go against his character. Yeah, it'd be nice for Waluigi to finally get what he wants, but then what could he be self-pitying and resentful over? The character is just a punchline to Nintendo and, as sad it is to see him constantly get dunked on, that's part of who he is.

... I dunno, probably overthinking this

 

[Deleted member]

NEW SMASH ULTIMATE VIDEO! RELEASE DATE THEORY! (October 15th)

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[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

That's kinda my point. They're getting heaps of promotion with Cloud.
Geno WOULD still promote a Squenix title too.

A current running series one? Sadly not the case unless they've got a remake, beefed up re-release or sequel to SMRPG in the works.

 

[TheCJBrine]

guys.

He's in.

Also I don't see Geno being a problem for Sakurai, he already obtained his rights so he could at least make him a Mii costume, and Square seems to have let Sakurai have whatever FF character he wanted.

 

[Noipoi]

All this pro/anti talk about Waluigi and I'm not sure what to think. On the one hand, yeah, he could be a really fun edition. After Paper Mario and Fawful, he's my most wanted Mario rep.

... Yet there'd be something innately wrong about Waluigi getting into Smash. It's fundamentally to do with his character. Look how Wario is a corrupted and grotesque version of Mario. For Mario, it's all about saving the princess and possibly saving the world. On the way he may collect a load of coins, but that's hardly his end goal. Yet for Wario, getting money and treasure is what it's all about. If he happens to save a princess or a kingdom then whatever, but it's more of a side effect of his actions. This is most blatant in a scene where he literally chucks the princess he just saved to the side so he can claim his treasure.

What I'm getting at is that a similar situation goes for Luigi and Waluigi. One of Luigi's personality traits is his resentment at being overlooked and constantly living in his brother's shadow. Waluigi takes this to an extreme: he's self-pitying, thinks everyone else is cheating and yearns more than anything to be in the spotlight. Recognition to Waluigi is what money is to Wario. By including Waluigi in Smash - which is the Ultimate (har har) form of recognition - that would kind of go against his character. Yeah, it'd be nice for Waluigi to finally get what he wants, but then what could he be self-pitying and resentful over? The character is just a punchline to Nintendo and, as sad it is to see him constantly get dunked on, that's part of who he is.

... I dunno, probably overthinking this

If he got a taste of fame he'd just want more.
He's greedy, just like his...brother?...Friend?...Second Cousin Twice Removed?

 

[Luigi The President]

A current running series one? Sadly not the case unless they've got a remake, beefed up re-release or sequel to SMRPG in the works.

I mean...
If the demand for Geno was so strong it got him into Smash...
...I COULD see a remake for the Switch.