Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Ramen Tengoku]

You don't really seem to understand the impact with how much you're saying K. Rool shouldn't have fit in.

You're underestimating his moveset potential as well. Basically every K. Rool move could be, and in most cases is, a well-placed and working reference to the character and what he's done all over his games.

Believe it or not a moveset entirely composed of Dixie doing cool hair stuff would grow stale pretty quick.

K. Rool has leaps and bounds of Nintendo history, and is again a villain-I don't know why you're arguing K. Rool isn't a major villain when that's just untrue-and in some cases, the sheer fan demand for a character can outweigh others. If you try to tell me Dixie's been more requested than K. Rool then I am going to laugh at you.


Precisely.

Know what? Forget it... I'm dropping this argument right now before it gets too out of hand...
Sorry for the inconvenience I caused to all the K. Rool supporters and everyone else. My apologies.
This is what happens when we are in a drought like this


Anyways, what stages do you guys want to see?
I'm hoping for a Tetris stage. Tetris is iconic, and while it probably wouldn't work as a character, I think it can easily work as a stage...

 

[osby]

Yeah I will never understand Roy being chosen over Wolf for 4. Doesn't matter now luckily but still, what the heck

Roy didn't chosen "over" Wolf. They were from different games and Wolf is a lot harder to make than Roy due to his moveset taking cues from multiple characters.

EDIT: Also Roy was probably more popular.

 

[beans]

We need Smash news soon enough otherwise this drought is gonna be the death for y'all.

The thirst shall be quenched with the blood of our compatriots obtained with the power of internet arguments

 

[KMDP]

I'm still miffed that apparently Roy was a better character to bring back than Wolf.

I think there's two reasons:

1. Roy is more iconic to Smash than Wolf is.
2. Roy is easier to make than Wolf is.

Besides they picked one cut Melee vet (Roy) and one cut Brawl vet (Lucas).

So you should really be complaining that Lucas was a "better character" to bring in than Wolf, not Roy.

 

[Luigi The President]

Know what? Forget it... I'm dropping this argument right now before it gets too out of hand...
Sorry for the inconvenience I caused
This is what happens when we are in a drought like this


Anyways, what stages do you guys want to see?
I'm hoping for a Tetris stage. Tetris is iconic, and while it probably wouldn't work as a character, I think it can easily work as a stage...

I wasn't planning to grow hostile and simply wanted a debate, but alright understood.

 

[osby]

Especially when Star Fox Zero was in development.

The FE spam in Smash 4 was probably the weirdest part about that game, IMO. I still don't think I'll ever quite understand it.

Robin: Logical pick from Awakening, moveset potential, good game
Lucina: Alternate costume, made into an echo
Roy: Most popular veteran in Melee after Mewtwo
Corrin: Picked by development team from the limited promotional character pool. Like Lucina and Roy, was able to share a skeleton with pre-existing characters.

I honestly don't know what's so hard to understand.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I wasn't planning to grow hostile and simply wanted a debate, but alright understood.

I just have flashbacks of what happened about a week ago with me and GoldenYuiitusin and I don't want anything like that to happen again...
Let's just say it wasn't pretty

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Anyways, what stages do you guys want to see?
I'm hoping for a Tetris stage. Tetris is iconic, and while it probably wouldn't work as a character, I think it can easily work as a stage...

Bowser's Castle (Super Mario RPG; Exor as a boss)
Gangplank Galleon (Donkey Kong)
Spiral Mountain (Banjo-Kazooie; Gruntilda as a stage hazard)
Underworld (Kid Icarus; Hades as a boss)

 

[osby]

Know what? Forget it... I'm dropping this argument right now before it gets too out of hand...
Sorry for the inconvenience I caused to all the K. Rool supporters and everyone else. My apologies.
This is what happens when we are in a drought like this


Anyways, what stages do you guys want to see?
I'm hoping for a Tetris stage. Tetris is iconic, and while it probably wouldn't work as a character, I think it can easily work as a stage...

Unlikely as it is, I'd love to see an Apathos stage from Sonic Unleashed.

 

[Idon]

Wasn't Roy brought back because there was backlash of him being absent in Brawl?

There's backlash of everyone from every game. I'd say the more obvious cut that people weren't please about was Mewtwo in Brawl or Wolf in 4.

Wolf is a lot harder to make than Roy due to his moveset taking cues from multiple characters.

How exactly? Roy also has had his entire animation set changed from Marth so they had to have been redone. That's probably just the same if not more work, on top of Roy coming from an earlier title in Melee meaning less asset reuse.

Also Roy was probably more popular.

I doubt that. Extremely.

1. Roy is more iconic to Smash than Wolf is.
2. Roy is easier to make than Wolf is.

Well 1. I don't see how he's more iconic when Wolf was in a more recent entry and was far more unique than Roy was in Melee and 2. Roy didn't have any Brawl assets to reuse and thus had more work to be done.

 

[ZephyrZ]

The reaction K.Rool got still never fail to impress me. I thought people would be going nuts over Riddles, but perhaps because he was overshadowed a bit by Everyone is Here, he didn't get quite the extreme reaction I was expecting, although maybe that's because I wasn't here on this thread yet at that point.

K.Rool has been the most hyped newcomer by far from what I've seen, even if there was a lot of overlap between his fanbase and Ridley's. I could image the likes of say, Dixie Kong being fairly well received, but I can't imagine her being as hyped up as the likes of K.Rool. Riddle's and K.rool were easily some of the smartest newcomer picks they could have made, as their extremely devout fans will do the advertising for Nintendo and hype them up via word of mouth. Heck they already got me on board with Riddles even before his reveal, and K.Rool's trailer probably wouldn't have quite the impact on me it did if I didn't know he was just a fan favorite.

 

[mynameisBlade]

Those ones made sense because of multiple reasons
Every Smash game from Melee onward has a retro rep from a Franchise unrepresented in Smash:
Lucas's came back for DLC just because of Fan demand, and since he was a veteran, he would be easy to implement back:
Palutuena and Little mac mostly got in beause their franchise got relevant again thanks to having new installments that they had a major role in:

How does K.Rool Fit this again?

I kinda feel like fans only voted for K. Rool because they wanted him to be relevant again in the DK series, when an Operation Rainfall would have easily done the trick

I know the Impact... I just feel like Dixie should have been next in line...

Well.. you are not wrong. Honestly most of us voted to see him come back in general, but realistically there are a whole myriad of reasons why he needed to return (more magnificently in Smash Bros). Thankfully Nintendo/Sakurai brought him back with the biggest splash possible. Him returning to DKC and not in Smash first would've been received with *MAYBE* half of the resonance he got in his Smash trailer.

Sakurai clearly saw how much he was missed and got straight to the point of giving the fans what they wanted. A character as shocking and unexpected as K. Rool should be enough to fend off any theories of character choice that people might consider gospel..

 

[Polan]

The relevancy argument was pretty much made moot when Fire Emblem and the Ice Climbers made it in in Melee, IMO. Then you have things like Lucas, Pit, DHD...Yeah, relevancy has pretty much only been a fan rule.

The only reason I ever argued relevancy against characters in the past was mainly due to trying to keep my hopes down. I didn't care about K. Rool until seeing his support back in the ballot days, but thanks to that and GDQ speedruns making me interested in the DK series, I grew attached to the idea. Seeing it actually happen, and right after Ridley and Dark Samus? It felt truly unreal, and I'm still not quite sure it's really hit me yet that Sakurai actually did it, lol. Even when I first boot up the game and unlock them, just simply seeing K. Rool and Ridley there is gonna be the most surreal thing ever. I truly believed it was impossible before it happened, and I can't really put into words how happy I was to be wrong, lol.

the relevancy rule came straight from sakurai himself tho. honestly if it wasn't for k. rool's obsessive fanbase, he would probably be stuck in the same hole with wart as the "forgotten antagonists". in any other situation, K. Rool would have probably been shafted again.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

The reaction K.Rool got still never fail to impress me. I thought people would be going nuts over Riddles, but perhaps because he was overshadowed a bit by Everyone is Here, he didn't get quite the extreme reaction I was expecting, although maybe that's because I wasn't here on this thread yet at that point.

K.Rool has been the most hyped newcomer by far from what I've seen, even if there was a lot of overlap between his fanbase and Ridley's. I could image the likes of say, Dixie Kong being fairly well received, but I can't imagine her being as hyped up as the likes of K.Rool. Riddle's and K.rool were easily some of the smartest newcomer picks they could have made, as their extremely devout fans will do the advertising for Nintendo and hype them up via word of mouth. Heck they already got me on board with Riddles even before his reveal, and K.Rool's trailer probably wouldn't have quite the impact on me it did if I didn't know he was just a fan favorite.

Let this sink in.

K. Rool's reveal trailer has received a million views. Ridley's only has 500k.

Nintendo really underestimate his popularity.

 

[Iridium]

Honestly, the one thing I miss about no transformational FSs is that I can't see the "zombie glitch" anymore. I think some of you know what I'm talking about, right?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Bowser's Castle (Super Mario RPG; Exor as a boss)
Gangplank Galleon (Donkey Kong)
Spiral Mountain (Banjo-Kazooie)
Underworld (Kid Icarus; Hades as a boss)

I still kinda wish that Hades was a character, He had so much charm in Uprising, that it would be a shame for him to be just a boss...
Then again, if getting him as a boss is the only way we're gonna hear his snarky one liners, I'd still be okay with it...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I'll just say this now. I'm pretty certain there's hundreds if not thousands of gaming characters (Including those not Nintendo that hasn't been relevant for years yet eventually came back).

That's all I got to say.

That makes me sad, as I doubt Quest 64 or Conker will be revived. I think B&K has a decent chance, at least.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

I just have flashbacks of what happened about a week ago with me and GoldenYuiitusin and I don't want anything like that to happen again...
Let's just say it wasn't pretty

I know that feeling
except it happens to me almost everyday....

 

[MainJPW]

Just wanted to say really quick that people are overestimating K. Rool’s absence from the series when Dixie has missed games just like K. Rool and are also ignoring the fact that they are BOTH consistent prominent characters in the franchise.

DK and Diddy have also missed games just like those 2 as:

1. DK wasn't playable in DKC 2 and 3
2. Diddy wasn't playable in DKC 3
3. Dixie wasn't playable in DKC 1, 64, and DKCR
4. K. Rool wasn't in DKCR and Tropical Freeze

K. Rool only missed 2 games since Country’s revival. He really hasn’t missed that many games by comparison.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I still kinda wish that Hades was a character, He had so much charm in Uprising, that it would be a shame for him to be just a boss...
Then again, if getting him as a boss is the only way we're gonna hear his snarky one liners, I'd still be okay with it...

I much prefer Medusa honestly though due to her potential, being a female villain and rounding out the Kid Icarus roster with light counterparts and dark counterparts, that's just me though. That and she's been featured in both games unlike Hades making her more prominent.

Hades I personally feel fits better as a boss especially as an recurring antagonist for Spirits if it were to have an SSE like story perhaps having hired the villains to collecting spirits for him.

 

[Deleted member]

Robin: Logical pick from Awakening, moveset potential, good game
Lucina: Alternate costume, made into an echo
Roy: Most popular veteran in Melee after Mewtwo
Corrin: Picked by development team from the limited promotional character pool. Like Lucina and Roy, was able to share a skeleton with pre-existing characters.

I honestly don't know what's so hard to understand.

There's nothing objectively wrong with it, I'm mainly talking about personal preference. I'm not really a huge fan of there being 4 Marths right now, but if you enjoy them, awesome! I just would prefer something different, especially when franchises like Kirby and Zelda still have plenty of options IMO.

EDIT: Just to clarify, Corrin and Robin are not Marths. I'm talking about Lucina, Roy, and Chrom.

 

[Deleted member]

I would actually like a Minecraft stage.

Besides that, i would love to see:
-Crateria (Metroid)
-Bowser's Castle
-Crash 3's bosses and warp room (a stage that works like Kalos League)
-Spiral Mountain
-Pac-Maze
-Dedede Castle

 

[Polan]

Let this sink in.

K. Rool's reveal trailer has received a million views. Ridley's only has 500k.

Nintendo really underestimate his popularity.

probably cuz the views for the ridley trailer are split between the ign and gx videos.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I much prefer Medusa honestly though due to her potential, being a female villain and rounding out the Kid Icarus roster with light counterparts and dark counterparts, that's just me though. That and she's been featured in both games unlike Hades making her more prominent.

Hades I personally feel fits better as a boss especially as an recurring antagonist for Spirits if it were to have an SSE like story perhaps having hired the villains to collecting spirits for him.

Hmm... I really wouldn't mind him being the main villain of a story mode... Ya know? I kinda want that now...

 

[Deleted member]

Just wanted to say really quick that people are overestimating K. Rool’s absence from the series when Dixie has missed games just like K. Rool and are also ignoring the fact that they are BOTH consistent prominent characters in the franchise.

DK and Diddy have also missed games just like those 2 as:

1. DK wasn't playable in DKC 2 and 3
2. Diddy wasn't playable in DKC 3
3. Dixie wasn't playable in DKC 1, 64, and DKCR
4. K. Rool wasn't in DKCR and Tropical Freeze

K. Rool only missed 2 games since Country’s revival. He really hasn’t missed that many games by comparison.

The thing is, Dixie has at least returned to the main series in Tropical Freeze, while King K. Rool hasn't been touched for ages. His last major appearance was in Super Mario Sluggers, 10 Years Ago!

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

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I have the impression that there's something fishy behind this.
Maybe it's just a Photoshopped Little Mac situation, or maybe not; I'm still taking this with a grain of salt.

The point is that the official screenshot that's supposed to be older, looks better and has more details than the Ken leak, that's supposed to be a recent build (at least in theory).
Unless there are different detail settings depending on if the console is docked or not... but even in that case, there are elements that just don't match and are in a different position, not to mention that probably from that angle you should see a different view.

The mapping of the texture of that quarter ramp in the background is also suspiciously worse in the Ken leak, and still suspiciously, there is no ink in the stage (but that could have been disabled from the debug console).

At this point I think it may not be a coincidence that Pacman is holding that item there just covering a part of the background.

I just love to imagine the chaos that would occur if this leak were ultimately proven false.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Hmm... I really wouldn't mind him being the main villain of a story mode... Ya know? I kinda want that now...

Agreed and I'll honestly be surprised if he's not or at least among them (With the actual main bad lurking in the shadows) being Sakurai was behind Uprising, that and Spirits concept and theme which fits Hades' nature in devouring souls.

Another reason I also want King Boo as a boss.

 

[KMDP]

Anyways, what stages do you guys want to see?
I'm hoping for a Tetris stage. Tetris is iconic, and while it probably wouldn't work as a character, I think it can easily work as a stage...

Cyrkensian Opera House (FE: Fates)
Venus Lighthouse (GS)
Radical Highway (SA2)
Northern Crater (FF7)

I don't see how he's more iconic when Wolf was in a more recent entry

Idon, did you miss the "to Smash" bit? Among wider Smash community (both Casuals and the Hardcore), Roy is far more infamous than Wolf.

 

[beans]

Unlikely as it is, I'd love to see an Apathos stage from Sonic Unleashed.

>not spagonia

 

[joshoctober16]

I think we're all missing the key outside media guest.

He's kind of a big deal.

"He's too big"
1. Ridley

2.

Man in rubber suit logic. :V

im proud that godzilla is even mention here :_)

but ya i like how all of my childhood is in this game (execpt for godzilla and dragon ball)
also ya for godzilla toho is strict for some parts

in the godzilla save the earth game , when you play as all the same character they have a slight different color , toho didnt like this
if godzilla was in smash i could see that all its alts are the different godzillas (1954, 2000 and so on)

and note that godzillas son was shown to be able to shrink down to the size of a human and grow back to normal size anytime he wants

and in shin godzilla

Spoiler: shin godzilla movie spoiler

at the end godzilla is shown changing into smaller versions of it self for its 5 form

also my icon is a godzilla (i havent finish looking at all this thread so sorry if this looks out of place)

 

[FirestormNeos]

Alright, back from having gone to sleep, what'd I miss--?

*Your post has been quoted a bajillion times*

o no.

Also, this talk about K. Rool's popularity is not the Quality ****posting I came here for. Time to correct this with a minigame: pick a character currently in the Ultimate roster (besides Ryu) and rework them into a character for another fighting game (Street Fighter, Tekken, Shrek: Super Slam, Etc).

Well, isn't that a shocking outcome. You just had to jolt. Hope we didn't tick you.

I'm not sorry.

Don't be sorry. I love puns. It's just that I was getting really bored at the moment, and the puns were not helping me escape that boredom.

>not spagonia

>Not Eggmanland

Anyways, what stages do you guys want to see?
I'm hoping for a Tetris stage. Tetris is iconic, and while it probably wouldn't work as a character, I think it can easily work as a stage...

Tetris, Bowser's Castle, Egg Carrier Arena from SA1.

 

[ZephyrZ]

probably cuz the views for the ridley trailer are split between the ign and gx videos.

I just checked, and even when you combine them they still quite don't hit the same number. And by that logic, you've also got to add the Super Smash Bros. channel to K.Rool's view count which, if my math is correct, brings the views to over 2 Million.

Yikes.

 

[Amiibo Doctor]

We need Smash news soon enough otherwise this drought is gonna be the death for y'all.

Too late. Already ded.

 

[Sari]

Know what? Forget it... I'm dropping this argument right now before it gets too out of hand...
Sorry for the inconvenience I caused to all the K. Rool supporters and everyone else. My apologies.
This is what happens when we are in a drought like this


Anyways, what stages do you guys want to see?
I'm hoping for a Tetris stage. Tetris is iconic, and while it probably wouldn't work as a character, I think it can easily work as a stage...

Two stages I'd love to see make it in: Cyrkensia Opera House (FE Fates) and Clock Town (Majora's Mask).

 

[Idon]

Idon, did you miss the "to Smash" bit? Among wider Smash community (both Casuals and the Hardcore), Roy is far more infamous than Wolf.

I didn't.

I'm asking where you would actually got this and how you would possibly know.

There's no hard statstic for "iconic-ness," but even in numerous Smash 4 DLC polls, (which granted, are unofficial, but there are a lot of em so there's a clear trend line) Wolf almost always edged out Roy.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

It will come true.

And unknown to us, Smash gets...

Miles Edgeworth prosecutes the challengers!

Lord knows, Capcom have to be in on something or reveal something by the ends of 2018 to facilitate this supposedly being a "big year for Ace Attorney fans", as they've claimed.

 

[KMDP]

I didn't.

I'm asking where you would actually got this and how you would know.
There's no hard statstic for "iconic-ness," but even in numerous Smash 4 polls, (which granted, are unofficial, but there are a lot of em) Wolf almost always edged out Roy.

After Melee, when people started getting into Fire Emblem; tons of people would ask if Marth and Roy were in each game.

Until, like, Shadow Dragon.
"Are Marth and Roy in this game?" was the earliest Western Fire Emblem meme.

 

[Deleted member]

Months ago, i made the ******** work of designing a concept for Marvel stuff in Smash Ultimate.

Wanna hear it? (It is a lot: stage, trophie ideas, moveset for the character, assist trophy, possible music, and even a conection to Spirits mode).

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Too late. Already ded.

Rest in onions...

Lord knows, Capcom have to be in on something or reveal something by the ends of 2018 to facilitate this supposedly being a "big year for Ace Attorney fans", as they've claimed.

Phoenix Wright better be the next unique Capom Rep, imo (Aside from maybe Leon, but I think his guns will cause some ratings issues)

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Months ago, i made the ******** work of designing a concept for Marvel stuff in Smash Ultimate.

Wanna hear it? (It is a lot: stage, trophie ideas, moveset for the character, assist trophy, possible music, and even a conection to Spirits mode).

Sakurai: Video game characters only.