Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Iko MattOrr]

Unpopular opinion:
I was kinda interested in Ridley (not a huge fan but I liked him), and completely neutral if not a little against King K Rool.
After the reveals and the gameplay shown, I changed my mind on both characters.
I think Ridley is a bit uninteresting, charizard-level of bland (at least I think charizard's moveset is bland), and I'm more interested in the gimmicky moveset of King K Rool even if at first I didn't like the character.
They are both cool additions by the way, it's just that my expectations were different.
(though my opinion may change again when I will finally get the chance to play as those characters)

The same thing that happend with Ridley, also happend with Metaknight and King Dedede, and Sonic as well: characters I was hyped for but I don't like their moveset/gameplay.

 

[Calane]

I guess my unpopular opinion would be that I actually don't like Melee. It's honestly my least favorite Smash, and probably one of my least favorite Nintendo games I've ever played. This is mostly due to bad childhood memories with the game, so it's more of a personal thing than a problem with the actual game.

Though making my favorite Video Game character of all time the worst in the game definitely doesn't help things.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

For people saying King K. Rool shouldn't had returned because he was absent for many years.

Um...



All who debuted in those Smash games hadn't appeared or had a game in years. Just saying. Guess they shouldn't had returned by that logic eh?

 

[Deleted member]

For people saying King K. Rool shouldn't had returned because he was absent for many years.

Um...



All who debuted in those Smash games hadn't appeared or had a game in years. Just saying.

Megaman and Simon kind of count too.

 

[xAquaCrystal]

I guess my unpopular opinion would be that I actually don't like Melee. It's honestly my least favorite Smash, and probably one of my least favorite Nintendo games I've ever played. This is mostly due to bad childhood memories with the game, so it's more of a personal thing than a problem with the actual game.

Though making my favorite Video Game character of all time the worst in the game definitely doesn't help things.

I’m curious who was your favorite character in that game?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Megaman and Simon kind of count too.

Mega Man has been prominent in the Marvel vs. Capcom games though no?

 

[beans]

For people saying King K. Rool shouldn't had returned because he was absent for many years.

Um...



All who debuted in those Smash games hadn't appeared or had a game in years. Just saying. Guess they shouldn't had returned by that logic eh?

Nit pick but:
Little Mac was on the Wii, it is a bit unfair to put him alongside most of the retro reps

 

[osby]

For people saying King K. Rool shouldn't had returned because he was absent for many years.

Um...



All who debuted in those Smash games hadn't appeared or had a game in years. Just saying. Guess they shouldn't had returned by that logic eh?

1. DK has characters that wasn't absent for many years
2. Lucas is a veteran

That's my reasoning.

 

[Luigi The President]

The whole relevancy for K. Rool is pretty absurd to me.

You guys REALLY underestimate the impact DK Country had.

 

[Hinata]

Megaman and Simon kind of count too.

Richter somewhat counts too, as his last appearance was 8 years ago.

 

[Deleted member]

Mega Man has been prominent in the Marvel vs. Capcom games though no?

Nope.

He wasn't in 3, and Infinite released after Smash 4.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

2. Lucas is a veteran

Maybe but the gap between Mother 3 and Brawl is comparable to K. Rool's absence until Ultimate.

Edit: Well poop Mother 3 came out in 2006 thought it was one of those late 90's or early 2000's games...

 

[Calane]

I’m curious who was your favorite character in that game?

Favorite character in Melee? My favorite Video Game character ever is Kirby. I've been a huge fan since I was little.

My favorite character in any Smash is always Kirby.

 

[beans]

1. DK has characters that wasn't absent for many years
2. Lucas is a veteran

That's my reasoning.

Also, wasnt Lucas included because Mother 3 was recent in Japan

 

[Deleted member]

For people saying King K. Rool shouldn't had returned because he was absent for many years.

Um...



All who debuted in those Smash games hadn't appeared or had a game in years. Just saying.

The relevancy argument was pretty much made moot when Fire Emblem and the Ice Climbers made it in in Melee, IMO. Then you have things like Lucas, Pit, DHD...Yeah, relevancy has pretty much only been a fan rule.

The only reason I ever argued relevancy against characters in the past was mainly due to trying to keep my hopes down. I didn't care about K. Rool until seeing his support back in the ballot days, but thanks to that and GDQ speedruns making me interested in the DK series, I grew attached to the idea. Seeing it actually happen, and right after Ridley and Dark Samus? It felt truly unreal, and I'm still not quite sure it's really hit me yet that Sakurai actually did it, lol. Even when I first boot up the game and unlock them, just simply seeing K. Rool and Ridley there is gonna be the most surreal thing ever. I truly believed it was impossible before it happened, and I can't really put into words how happy I was to be wrong, lol.

 

[Deleted member]

The whole relevancy for K. Rool is pretty absurd to me.

You guys REALLY underestimate the impact DK Country had.

DKC made Nintendo even bigger in the 90s.

It was the Toy Story of gaming.

 

[praline]

>People saying that K. Rool shouldn’t have been playable

Umm.. ok then. lol

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Also, wasnt Lucas included because Mother 3 was recent in Japan

It was because Sakurai thought the cancelled EarthBound game meant to star Lucas was gonna be released in NA, if he had known that Lucas never would had starred in Smash since he won't add Japan-Only characters which was the case with Ayumi and Takamaru.

 

[Luigi The President]

It was because Sakurai thought the cancelled EarthBound game meant to star Lucas was gonna be released in NA, if he had known that Lucas never would had starred in Smash since he won't add Japan-Only characters which was the case with Ayumi and Takamaru.

Roy and Marth were Japan-only characters.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

For people saying King K. Rool shouldn't had returned because he was absent for many years.

Um...



All who debuted in those Smash games hadn't appeared or had a game in years. Just saying. Guess they shouldn't had returned by that logic eh?

Those ones made sense because of multiple reasons
Every Smash game from Melee onward has a retro rep from a Franchise unrepresented in Smash:
Lucas's came back for DLC just because of Fan demand, and since he was a veteran, he would be easy to implement back:
Palutuena and Little mac mostly got in beause their franchise got relevant again thanks to having new installments that they had a major role in:

How does K.Rool Fit this again?

I kinda feel like fans only voted for K. Rool because they wanted him to be relevant again in the DK series, when an Operation Rainfall would have easily done the trick

The whole relevancy for K. Rool is pretty absurd to me.

You guys REALLY underestimate the impact DK Country had.

I know the Impact... I just feel like Dixie should have been next in line...

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Roy and Marth were Japan-only characters.

Crap slipped my mind there...

 

[xAquaCrystal]

Favorite character in Melee? My favorite Video Game character ever is Kirby. I've been a huge fan since I was little.

My favorite character in any Smash is always Kirby.

That’s understandable. Kirby was a character I played the most in melee. Him and Zelda.

 

[osby]

Roy and Marth were Japan-only characters.

Yeah, that's why they were almost going to omit them from international releases.

 

[Deleted member]

A good thing to keep in mind though is that that Lucas was chosen to be brought back over other veterans as DLC during Smash Wii U and 3DS, where by relevance standards, it would have made no sense.

Nintendo puts in who they put in, I don't think there's any secret code to it. The only thing that seems to affect who's chosen is the timing of development.

 

[Pakky]

Interesting means nothing but I liked it...and yes I'm working on the icons.

 

[Calane]

It was because Sakurai thought the cancelled EarthBound game meant to star Lucas was gonna be released in NA, if he had known that Lucas never would had starred in Smash since he won't add Japan-Only characters which was the case with Ayumi and Takamaru.

Takamaru's game did come over here, though. It got a Virtual Console release on 3DS.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

How does K.Rool Fit this again?

For one he's DK's answer as Bowser is to Mario, Link to Ganondorf and Samus to Ridley.

Ugh man this relevancy crap is giving me a headache I'm out of this debate...-_-

 

[True Blue Warrior]

The whole relevancy for K. Rool is pretty absurd to me.

You guys REALLY underestimate the impact DK Country had.

Even leaving aside his fan-demand, K. Rool's a sensible inclusion as the third Donkey Kong character after Diddy made it into Brawl. He's been the main villain in DKC1, DKC2, DKC3 and DK64 in addition to all the Donkey Kong Land games. He's also a big body character, something the Smash 4 newcomer roster was severely lacking so he adds diversity. If people are asking for him and he adds a lot to the roster, why not add him?

 

[beans]

One more unpopular opinion
Cloud shouldnt have been the FF rep
I feel like he doesnt represent the franchise or even himself enough
He still has default personality he always has outside the first FF7 game: Emo Cloud
TL;DR: Warrior of Light with a Cecil Echo fighter would have been cooler

 

[hazza5557]

My unpopular opinion is that the newcomer I’m most excited for for Ultimate is Isabelle.

 

[Luigi The President]

Those ones made sense because of multiple reasons
Every Smash game from Melee onward has a retro rep from a Franchise unrepresented in Smash:
Lucas's came back for DLC just because of Fan demand, and since he was a veteran, he would be easy to implement back:
Palutuena and Little mac mostly got in beause their franchise got relevant again thanks to having new installments that they had a major role in:

How does K.Rool Fit this again?

I feel like fans only voted for K. Rool because they wanted him to be relevant again in the DK series, when an Operation Rainfall would have easily done the trick

I know the Impact... I just feel like Dixie should have been next in line...

You don't really seem to understand the impact with how much you're saying K. Rool shouldn't have fit in.

You're underestimating his moveset potential as well. Basically every K. Rool move could be, and in most cases is, a well-placed and working reference to the character and what he's done all over his games.

Believe it or not a moveset entirely composed of Dixie doing cool hair stuff would grow stale pretty quick.

K. Rool has leaps and bounds of Nintendo history, and is again a villain-I don't know why you're arguing K. Rool isn't a major villain when that's just untrue-and in some cases, the sheer fan demand for a character can outweigh others. If you try to tell me Dixie's been more requested than K. Rool then I am going to laugh at you.

Even leaving aside his fan-demand, K. Rool's a sensible inclusion as the third Donkey Kong character after Diddy made it into Brawl. He's been the main villain in DKC1, DKC2, DKC3 and DK64 in addition to all the Donkey Kong Land games. He's also a big body character, something the Smash 4 newcomer roster was severely lacking so he adds diversity. If people are asking for him and he adds a lot to the roster, why not add him?

Precisely.

 

[Deleted member]

One more unpopular opinion
Cloud shouldnt have been the FF rep
I feel like he doesnt represent the franchise or even himself enough
He still has default personality he always has outside the first FF7 game: Emo Cloud
TL;DR: Warrior of Light with a Cecil Echo fighter would have been cooler

They choosed Cloud because he was more popular, and i agree with you.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'll just say this now. I'm pretty certain there's hundreds if not thousands of gaming characters (Including those not Nintendo that hasn't been relevant for years yet eventually came back).

That's all I got to say.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly, this is really a to each their own situation. If you don't like K. Rool being in, that's okay. Liking him being in is also okay. This is totally going to be based off of what your preferences are, so I see no need to argue about it when there is no right or wrong here. Moving on to another topic would probably be for the best.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

My unpopular opinion is that the newcomer I’m most excited for for Ultimate is Isabelle.

Hey, I'm in agreeance with that statement.

So, not the most unpopular opinion out there.

 

[Idon]

I'm still miffed that apparently Roy was a better character to bring back than Wolf.

One more unpopular opinion
Cloud shouldnt have been the FF rep
I feel like he doesnt represent the franchise or even himself enough
He still has default personality he always has outside the first FF7 game: Emo Cloud
TL;DR: Warrior of Light with a Cecil Echo fighter would have been cooler

I nominate Onion Knight with the ability to reclass into all the classes of FF for his attacks.

 

[Luigi The President]

I'm still miffed that apparently Roy was a better character to bring back than Wolf.


I nominate Onion Knight with the ability to reclass into all the classes of FF for his attacks.

Yeah I will never understand Roy being chosen over Wolf for 4. Doesn't matter now luckily but still, what the heck

 

[Michael the Spikester]

We need Smash news soon enough otherwise this drought is gonna be the death for y'all.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah I will never understand Roy being chosen over Wolf for 4. Doesn't matter now luckily but still, what the heck

Especially when Star Fox Zero was in development.

The FE spam in Smash 4 was probably the weirdest part about that game, IMO. I still don't think I'll ever quite understand it.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'm still miffed that apparently Roy was a better character to bring back than Wolf.

Wasn't Roy brought back because there was backlash of him being absent in Brawl?