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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Alright, back from having gone to sleep, what'd I miss--?

*Your post has been quoted a bajillion times*

o no.

Also, this talk about K. Rool's popularity is not the Quality ****posting I came here for. Time to correct this with a minigame: pick a character currently in the Ultimate roster (besides Ryu) and rework them into a character for another fighting game (Street Fighter, Tekken, Shrek: Super Slam, Etc).



Don't be sorry. I love puns. It's just that I was getting really bored at the moment, and the puns were not helping me escape that boredom.



>Not Eggmanland



Tetris, Bowser's Castle, Egg Carrier Arena from SA1.
MVC. Make Ridley Firebrand but bigger
 

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After Melee, when people started getting into Fire Emblem; tons of people would ask if Marth and Roy were in each game.

Until, like, Shadow Dragon.
Forgive me, but I don't exactly believe that's any way to tell if a character is popular.
 

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There is another leak. I get that it's fake but it seems to be a little more interesting. https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/435178651
OP in the thread seems to have posted proof of Paper Mario in the 'Everyone is Here!' art. And I've searched for that link but came up nothing.
That Paper Mario sticks out in the Image like a sore thumb

Also, listing 3 newcomers despite saying it's not the final list? lol
They're just saying that, just in case Incineroar is announced (Who probably will be in)
 
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Anyways, what stages do you guys want to see?
I'm hoping for a Tetris stage. Tetris is iconic, and while it probably wouldn't work as a character, I think it can easily work as a stage...
Ultra Space (with the Ultra Beasts as stage hazards - find it a bit weird that they've been MIA so far)
Grassland Groove (or any level from Tropical Freeze, really)
Gyromite (ROB needs a home)
The desk from the opening of Smash 64 (it could happen)
The Glade of Dreams (Rayman series)

Speaking of stages, what do people think of the new additions to Ultimate? Do you like them, or would you rather they represented the games in another way? The quality of the new stages seems especially important this time round, as we have so few additions.

:ultmario: New Donk City is the obvious choice to rep Odyssey, but I'm kind of eh on this stage. Getting a bit sick of travelling stages, tbh. Felt they could have maybe incorporated more of the city or had it stationary, more like Saffron City or Fourside.
:ultlink: I feel like it represents the game fairly well, but I was kind of hoping for a stage which took place on top of one of the Divine Beasts.
:ultinkling: I don't like Moray Towers as a stage in Splatoon, but it was a good pick for Smash as it represents both 1 and 2. It also helps that Moray Towers is one of the few Splatoon maps that could translate well into Smash: its a map all about verticality. Hoping we get a few more Splatoon stages for DLC.
:ultsimon: Looks cool, but I don't know enough about Castlevania to give much of a judgement.

Here's hoping that Corocoro's 108 stages is correct.
 

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53 days left starting tomorrow.

Reminder that the monster of all leaks, also known as the ESRB leak, was revealed 26 days prior to Smash 3DS' release. If you don't want any spoilers (if we get to that point, anyway) time to start fleeing the scene soon!
 

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Forgive me, but I don't exactly believe that's any way to tell if a character is popular.
It is a measure, because people were asking because they wanted to play their games and/or see them in more stuff.

I don't think many people getting into Star Fox were asking "Is Wolf in this game?"
 

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53 days left starting tomorrow.

Reminder that the monster of all leaks, also known as the ESRB leak, was revealed 26 days prior to Smash 3DS' release. If you don't want any spoilers (if we get to that point, anyway) time to start fleeing the scene soon!
More the reason to also why they should just reveal the rest of the characters already.
 

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I much prefer Medusa honestly though due to her potential, being a female villain and rounding out the Kid Icarus roster with light counterparts and dark counterparts, that's just me though. That and she's been featured in both games unlike Hades making her more prominent.

Hades I personally feel fits better as a boss especially as an recurring antagonist for Spirits if it were to have an SSE like story perhaps having hired the villains to collecting spirits for him.
I prefer Viridi since she rounds out the Palutena Army vs Forces of Nature stuff...both her and Medusa round something out
 

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That Paper Mario sticks out in the Image like a sore thumb

Also, listing 3 newcomers despite saying it's not the final list? lol
Forgive me for my ignorance, but could you please tell me the significance of 'sore thumb'?
And I chucked a bit at the newcomers thing too. But...For each Smash game, there were always at least two new characters from Mario. One we know already for Ultimate is Daisy, so the other possible option would be him.
 

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Just my personal opinion, but in terms of iconicness, Wolf > Roy.

Don't get me wrong, Roy is iconic to Smash, but I don't think you can argue that he's more iconic just because he got in Smash before Wolf. He's still from a Japan exclusive game, and unlike Wolf, he doesn't make regular appearances in his franchise.

Roy got back because of fan demand from Melee fans who missed him, not because he was super iconic. Personally, I would've gone with Wolf instead, but it's not like I can say Roy wasn't highly requested.
 

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The reason Roy was picked is because he's the Melee veteran DLC whereas Lucas was Brawl. "What about Mewtwo?" Mewtwo was originally made as a special deal for double dippers before any other DLC plans were concrete so Sakurai didn't count Mewtwo. For some reason
 

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Forgive me for my ignorance, but could you please tell me the significance of 'sore thumb'?
And I chucked a bit at the newcomers thing too. But...For each Smash game, there were always at least two new characters from Mario. One we know already for Ultimate is Daisy, so the other possible option would be him.
Geno is also the other possible option.
 

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Forgive me for my ignorance, but could you please tell me the significance of 'sore thumb'?
And I chucked a bit at the newcomers thing too. But...For each Smash game, there were always at least two new characters from Mario. One we know already for Ultimate is Daisy, so the other possible option would be him.
No, I was talking about the artwork, I would be fine with Paper Mario as a character


Though, it's worth noting that Brawl technically didn't add any mario characters. Donkey Kong and Wario (along with Yoshi) are listed as their own series so Diddy Kong and Wario fall under those.
The only franchise to have a newcomer introduced in each Smash game, is Pokemon
 
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It is a measure, because people were asking because they wanted to play their games and/or see them in more stuff.

I don't think many people getting into Star Fox were asking "Is Wolf in this game?"
That's because he's the main rival in the series. Or game re-re-re-re-releases.
It's like asking if Ganon (in one any way shape or form)'s going to be in a Zelda game; of course he is- it's kind of a given.

Besides:
 
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The reason Roy was picked is because he's the Melee veteran DLC whereas Lucas was Brawl. "What about Mewtwo?" Mewtwo was originally made as a special deal for double dippers before any other DLC plans were concrete so Sakurai didn't count Mewtwo. For some reason
That's how I see it, and since Star Fox is small fry in Japan compared to Mother it makes sense Lucas won out.

If Melee had another veteran that was logical to bring back as DLC, maybe Wolf would have returned as well. Oh well. It doesn't matter now. He was planned during DLC but for an entirely different project altogether. Fine by me...
 

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Ultra Space (with the Ultra Beasts as stage hazards - find it a bit weird that they've been MIA so far)
Grassland Groove (or any level from Tropical Freeze, really)
Gyromite (ROB needs a home)
The desk from the opening of Smash 64 (it could happen)
The Glade of Dreams (Rayman series)

Speaking of stages, what do people think of the new additions to Ultimate? Do you like them, or would you rather they represented the games in another way? The quality of the new stages seems especially important this time round, as we have so few additions.

:ultmario: New Donk City is the obvious choice to rep Odyssey, but I'm kind of eh on this stage. Getting a bit sick of travelling stages, tbh. Felt they could have maybe incorporated more of the city or had it stationary, more like Saffron City or Fourside.
:ultlink: I feel like it represents the game fairly well, but I was kind of hoping for a stage which took place on top of one of the Divine Beasts.
:ultinkling: I don't like Moray Towers as a stage in Splatoon, but it was a good pick for Smash as it represents both 1 and 2. It also helps that Moray Towers is one of the few Splatoon maps that could translate well into Smash: its a map all about verticality. Hoping we get a few more Splatoon stages for DLC.
:ultsimon: Looks cool, but I don't know enough about Castlevania to give much of a judgement.

Here's hoping that Corocoro's 108 stages is correct.
New Donk City: Looks and sounds awesome.
Dracula's Castle: Looks and sounds even more awesome and got lots of cool enemies. A personal favourite.
Moray Towers: Looks fun but also kinda confusing
BotW Tower: Loved the scenerie and tower aspect but ceiling looks annoying.
 

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Anyways, what stages do you guys want to see?
I'm hoping for a Tetris stage. Tetris is iconic, and while it probably wouldn't work as a character, I think it can easily work as a stage...
I'd like to see pokefloats, rumble falls, and icicle mountain return. As for new stages:

Tetris
Bowser's castle
Something minecraft related
 
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53 days left starting tomorrow.

Reminder that the monster of all leaks, also known as the ESRB leak, was revealed 26 days prior to Smash 3DS' release. If you don't want any spoilers (if we get to that point, anyway) time to start fleeing the scene soon!
I'm at the point where I legitimately wouldn't care if I saw the full base roster in 10-15 days, as long as I know who's in. Not that I think it should happen, but every day feels slower to me.
 

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The reason Roy was picked is because he's the Melee veteran DLC whereas Lucas was Brawl. "What about Mewtwo?" Mewtwo was originally made as a special deal for double dippers before any other DLC plans were concrete so Sakurai didn't count Mewtwo. For some reason
I also get the feeling that they were going to make Mewtwo anyway (he was relevant because of X/Y and the Movie), but they missed the deadline for him.
FE weebs don't like to admit that Smash Bros broadened the FE fanbase.

Naturally. :troll:
I'm more than willing to admit that Fire Emblem is popular because of Smash.

I mean, FE never would have come over had it not been for Melee.
 

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Know what? Forget it... I'm dropping this argument right now before it gets too out of hand...
Sorry for the inconvenience I caused to all the K. Rool supporters and everyone else. My apologies.
This is what happens when we are in a drought like this


Anyways, what stages do you guys want to see?
I'm hoping for a Tetris stage. Tetris is iconic, and while it probably wouldn't work as a character, I think it can easily work as a stage...
I think the legalities is what has prevented Tetris from becoming a stage, despite it being a obvious inclusion, so it's on the top of my list despite thinking those legal issues will persist. Similarly, I feel like Dr. Mario works better as a stage, than as a character, and I'm flabbergasted we still haven't gotten one. There are many characters who don't currently have a stage that would warrant it, such as R.O.B.--I like the idea of it taking place on a huge Famicom with a gigantic R.O.B. that shows up. Goes back to the spirit of the original game, of playing with toys.

That makes me sad, as I doubt Quest 64 or Conker will be revived. I think B&K has a decent chance, at least.
With Conker, it's weird because in some ways, Microsoft is trying to use him as a quasi-mascot, with that game creator thingy and now hololens--but every iteration, especially Young Conker, completely... misses... the... point of what made Conker fun and unique in the first place. So I guess we've kinda had a "revival", it's just they don't understand what a genuine revival would be.
 

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I'm at the point where I legitimately wouldn't care if I saw the full base roster in 10-15 days, as long as I know who's in. Not that I think it should happen, but every day feels slower to me.
Jokes on you. We're getting another 50-fact extravagenza starting Wednesday but instead of revealing all at once it be a daily announcement that duals as a countdown!
 
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There is another leak. I get that it's fake but it seems to be a little more interesting. https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/435178651
OP in the thread seems to have posted proof of Paper Mario in the 'Everyone is Here!' art. And I've searched for that link but came up nothing.
"I’m aware that many of you would write this off as 'another fake leak'"

Wow, they read my mind. *into the trash it goes* :chuckle:
 

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Jokes on you. We're getting another 50-fact extravagenza starting Wednesday but instead of revealing all at once it be a daily announcement that duals as a countdown!
I.. I... I... would be fine with that, actually. Maybe I just really want news. Or footage.
 

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Jokes on you. We're getting another 50-fact extravagenza starting Wednesday but instead of revealing all at once it be a daily announcement that duals as a countdown!
Cant wait for the leaks predicting each day
 

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Which came out in 2014. Long after Brawl. Long after 4's roster was finalized.
Also if we're judging by spinoffs, Mario Sluggers existed.
Ok but that's kind of ignoring that even with Sluggers it was a literal decade since K.Rool got any new appearances whereas Ganondorf also had some remakes and due to Zelda lore was in almost every game as Ganon/Demise/Mallus from Spirit Tracks or whatever he was called are all technically Ganondorf
 
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I just want Ultimate at this point. I don't care if our final newcomer ends up being Goku, just give me the game already.
 

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Ok but that's kind of ignoring that even with Sluggers it was a literal decade since K.Rool got any new appearances whereas Ganondorf also had some remakes and due to Zelda lore was in almost every game as Ganon/Demise/Mallus from Spirit Tracks or whatever he was called are all technically Ganondorf
Which is why I'm not relying on that point.
Remakes is a valid point. But I feel it's absurd to bus K. Rool like I see people do when numerous characters prove that we don't need to focus on relevancy like we do.

In the end, he's in the game, so I feel all the arguments is just filler during the drought. So, good points.
 

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There is another leak. I get that it's fake but it seems to be a little more interesting. https://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/435178651
OP in the thread seems to have posted proof of Paper Mario in the 'Everyone is Here!' art. And I've searched for that link but came up nothing.
Surprised we don't see more Paper Mario in 'leaks', him being relatively easy to fake and all.
 
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