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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Michael the Spikester

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Speaking of relevancy not video game related but Rocko's Modern Life and Invader Zim despite how long they've been cancelled are getting made for TV specials as did Hey Arnold with the Jungle Movie.

Relevancy amIriteorwut? ;)
 
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53 days left starting tomorrow.

Reminder that the monster of all leaks, also known as the ESRB leak, was revealed 26 days prior to Smash 3DS' release. If you don't want any spoilers (if we get to that point, anyway) time to start fleeing the scene soon!
Just for reference, when did the Ninka/Vaanrose leak start?
 

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You know it.

It's something I've been wanting ever since approximately 7 minutes ago when I first thought of it.
On the first day of Smash-mas, Sa-ku-rai gave to me~

A Giant Ri-dl-ey~!
 
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Okay, I see discussion has died down a bit. I guess I'll ask another question to increase it. What is the most unpopular opinion you hold in Smash, across all games? Or opinions, if you have multiple.
Here are a few.

- I actually like the Mario Bros. stage.
- #LegalizeWuhuIsland
- I dislike any and all duplicate characters...I don't mean clones, I mean cases like Doc and Mario and Samus and Zero Suit Samus. Doesn't even matter to me if they play differently. Just a personal irk, but hey, everyone is here, so I can't complain. :p
- Bring on more Fire Emblem and Pokémon, "overrepresentation" be damned. Celica, Merric, Caeda, Virion, Silque, Ogma, Chandelure, Marowak...bring 'em on, regardless of their chances.
- I'd really rather not have Shantae, and I'm not big on Banjo. I'd take so many third parties over those two.
- I believe Box Theory 100%
 

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Surprised we don't see more Paper Mario in 'leaks', him being relatively easy to fake and all.
Same thing goes with most Rhythm Heaven characters...
I guess people forget that franchise exists or something...
53 days left starting tomorrow.

Reminder that the monster of all leaks, also known as the ESRB leak, was revealed 26 days prior to Smash 3DS' release. If you don't want any spoilers (if we get to that point, anyway) time to start fleeing the scene soon!
So, are you saying that the roster might get leaked in mid November?
 

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Which came out in 2014. Long after Brawl. Long after 4's roster was finalized.
Also if we're judging by spinoffs, Mario Sluggers existed.
There is a difference, though, besides how long it's been for each character; one's a Mario(not a DK) spin-off, and the other is a Zelda spin-off.

Besides that, Ganon and Ganondorf are the same person and Ganon is still relevant, so... kind of different situations.
 
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So, to those that have played the Dragon Quest games, can you give me a title that you would reccomemend? I want to see why Dragon Quest is such a big deal.
 

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Okay, I see discussion has died down a bit. I guess I'll ask another question to increase it. What is the most unpopular opinion you hold in Smash, across all games? Or opinions, if you have multiple.
-Waluigi shouldn't be in Smash until he stars or gets his own main game.
-Leon should get in over Krystal (Deconfirmed) and Slippy to even with Falco as Wolf has with Fox
-Nightmare should get in over Heihachi as the Namco rep as PSASBR already had him
-Steve shouldn't be in Smash at most though an assist or stage character
-For a SMRPG stage I'd rather have Bowser's Castle then Forest Maze or Star Road just for Exor being a boss
 
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Same thing goes with most Rhythm Heaven characters...
I guess people forget that franchise exists or something...

So, are you saying that the roster might get leaked in mid November?
Now now I ain't saying anything. Just speculatin' like the rest of you.

The likelihood of anything being leaked around the same time span as another leak from another game years ago is highly unlikely. Granted I believe the ChaosZero Brawl leak was at a similar time before the game got delayed?
 
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Same thing goes with most Rhythm Heaven characters...
I guess people forget that franchise exists or something...

So, are you saying that the roster might get leaked in mid November?
It's criminal how much Rythm Heaven is overlooked but a character from that franchise has no chance getting in with the roster philosophy of Ultimate. :confused:
 
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Ok, i just made a dumb thread where i share my Marvel ideas that will never happen.
 

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Here are a few.

- I actually like the Mario Bros. stage.
- #LegalizeWuhuIsland
- I dislike any and all duplicate characters...I don't mean clones, I mean cases like Doc and Mario and Samus and Zero Suit Samus. Doesn't even matter to me if they play differently. Just a personal irk, but hey, everyone is here, so I can't complain.:p
- Bring on more Fire Emblem and Pokémon, "overrepresentation" be damned. Celica, Merric, Caeda, Virion, Silque, Ogma, Chandelure, Marowak...bring 'em on, regardless of their chances.
- I'd really rather not have Shantae, and I'm not big on Banjo. I'd take so many third parties over those two.
- I believe Box Theory 100%
Sometimes I feel like the only one who thinks this--it's less about whether a character fights differently, and more if the character taken as a whole is too similar, and even if the characters are "technically not the same character." In some ways, I like straight up clones like Daisy more than [insert duplicate here so as to not offend people's favorite character]. It's weird, and I understand on some level a bit irrational given sometimes it's not consistent. Though, for the purposes of Everyone is Here, I'm fine with them coming back... this time...

Of course, certain other points I don't agree with ;) and especially the penultimate and last point--but here's my like regardless. :upsidedown:
 

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Want an unpopular general Smash opinion from me?

Brawl (prior to Ultimate) has the best roster in the series because it focused on quality over quantity since every clone was either cut or decloned.
 
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I remember seeing some people talk about how Advance Wars has little chance of getting Smash content because of relevancy and not being a priority some time back, and then flock to GS and RH despite having those same flaws.

If Sakurai really cared about GS and RH more than AW, why was Isaac’s assist trophy removed and left with a single song? Why did RH not get a stage, music, and instead just a measly Smash run enemy and a couple of trophies?

Y’all can’t act like certain rules apply to one franchise and not the other. It’s hypocritical.

This was a pet peeve I had a while back that I wasn’t able to get to until now.
 
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Speaking of relevancy not video game related but Rocko's Modern Life and Invader Zim despite how long they've been cancelled are getting made for TV specials as did Hey Arnold with the Jungle Movie.

Relevancy amIriteorwut? ;)
Rugrats is getting a whole new season and a movie...and are also apart of the Nickelodeon’s Mario Kart rip-off...more relevancy
Rumble Falls is a fun stage
Now that’s pretty unpopular...still better than :hanenbow:
 

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It's criminal how much Rythm Heaven is overlooked but a character from that franchise has no chance getting in with the roster philosophy of Ultimate. :confused:
I know I bring this up a lot, but I still think it's worth noting that Sakurai probably had a moveset planned for the rep in Smash 4, assuming they got far enough to get an emblem...

I kinda doubt Sakurai would want that to go to waste...
I remember seeing some people talk about how Advance Wars has little chance of getting Smash content because of relevancy and not being a priority some time back, and then flock to GS and RH despite having those same flaws.

If Sakurai really cared about GS and RH more than AW, why was Isaac’s assist trophy removed and left with a single song? Why did RH not get a stage, music, and instead just a measly Smash run enemy and a couple of trophies?

Y’all can’t act like certain rules apply to one franchise and not the other. It’s hypocritical.

This was a pet peeve I had a while back that I wasn’t able to get to until now.
In case you didn't know, A Rhythm Heaven character was Planned for Smash 4
 
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So, to those that have played the Dragon Quest games, can you give me a title that you would reccomemend? I want to see why Dragon Quest is such a big deal.
Simply because it is the most well known one in the West (and the only one I've played)... Dragon Quest 8: Journey of the Cursed King.
 
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I remember seeing some people talk about how Advance Wars has little chance of getting Smash content because of relevancy and not being a priority some time back, and then flock to GS and RH despite having those same flaws.

If Sakurai really cared about GS and RH more than AW, why was Isaac’s assist trophy removed and left with a single song? Why did RH not get a stage, music, and instead just a measly Smash run enemy and a couple of trophies?

Y’all can’t act like certain rules apply to one franchise and not the other. It’s hypocritical.
Rythym Heaven had scrapped stuff, doh.
 

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Yeah I will never understand Roy being chosen over Wolf for 4. Doesn't matter now luckily but still, what the heck
Think the main thing there was that Lucas was chosen as the "Brawl veteran" and Roy was chosen as the "Melee veteran", completely ignoring the fact that Mewtwo was also a returning Melee veteran. Though it was still strange in the end to not see Wolf as DLC, seeing as that way you'd have two returning characters from Melee and two from Brawl. Not to mention Wolf's popularity and Star Fox Zero was approaching around that time.

My theory is that Sakurai saw the demand for Wolf in the Ballot and decided to save him for Smash Switch, which was likely in the early planning stages, and opted to finish out Smash 4 with only newcomers. With the huge demand for cut veterans in general pushing the idea behind bringing everyone back. Like I said though, just a theory.
 

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So are people thinking that we won't get any Smash news until next month? I've seen people talking about how since we didn't get any last week when it was most likely, they'll probably skip any October news.
 

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Just for reference, when did the Ninka/Vaanrose leak start?
The Ninka/Vaanrose leak started prior to E3 2014 (I want to say shortly before, maybe a week or two) when Ninka_kiwi posted about some information he had on the game alongside providing evidence in the form of modded Brawl costumes that matched new color palates within Sm4sh. Vaanrose chipped in with his side after the livestream reveal of Robin and Lucina, and would later (again, maybe two or three weeks) come to Ninka's defense by corroborating his information. ESRB came out around a month later, which confirmed the full Ninka/Vaanrose leak.
 

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It's criminal how much Rythm Heaven is overlooked but a character from that franchise has no chance getting in with the roster philosophy of Ultimate. :confused:
I think out of all first party characters not yet announced, Isaac, Elma, and Rhythm Heaven would be my favorite ideas. My guess is--no rumors or evidence from Ultimate itself makes it a very difficult situation, especially given with how few characters we may have left. There's even many characters I thought were shoe-ins given the current evidence that I'm now starting to doubt if they'll get in. Wants wise, Rhythm Heaven characters would bring something unique (particularly Chorus Kids, less Karate Joe--which oddly enough corresponds to some of the only evidence for RH in Ultimate), it's just hard when it comes to predictions.
 

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I'd rather have five echoes than two newcomers. One newcomer is worth two echoes to me, for a few reasons.
1. Even though they're slightly different, they can have somewhat large effects on the metagame. Pit/Dark Pit mains know the difference between them, as do Marth/Lucina mains, but nobody else bothers to learn the differences. This works to the informational advantage of the Main/Echo mainers.
2. The amiibo metagame, which focuses on AI, often has wildly different AI for similar characters. Doc and Mario have very different AI, as do Link and Toon Link. This allows for a wider strategy set in amiibo tournaments.
 

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We're talking unpopular opinions, huh?

I love Pac-land and other such scrolling stages. They're so bad they're good, and getting cheap kills with them is a blast. I'm still not a fan of giant stages though, since I like the action to be more condensed.

Mega Man doesn't really feel weird to play. Maybe that's because he was my most used in the demo though, so I got used to him pretty fast. I'm not particularly good at him but at least his moveset makes sense to me. You've just got to get used to the way his pellets work, that's all.

Olimar is also a very fun character to play as and isn't really that hard to understand.

Dark Pit was a totally necessary addition to the roster.

Gandondorf's being a Falcon semi-clone is fine, the only move I have a real issue with is his awkward Up-Tilt. Although if they could throw in a Dead Man's Volley somehow that'd be nice.

I don't mind if any future FE characters use swords just so long as they're unique. In practice, I don't think Axes or Lances would really bring anything special with them, so the character would have to have more to sell themselves with then just a weapon type. I'm very confident we won't be getting any more non-echo FE characters this time around however, even as DLC.
 
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So, to those that have played the Dragon Quest games, can you give me a title that you would reccomemend? I want to see why Dragon Quest is such a big deal.
Well, I started the series with DQ 5, but my favorite is DQ 7. From what I can tell, most people suggest newcomers start with DQ 8.

Personally, I think you could start with any of the DS or 3DS remakes. I own all of those versions (except for 6, but I hope to change that eventually), and I think they're all fantastic games. Any of them would be fine (but I must warn you that DQ 7 is a really long game).

If I had to recommenced only one, I'd probably say 5 or 8. However, if you have a PS4, you could probably just jump into 11. I hear it's amazing, and even people who have little to no history with the series seem to really like it. I unfortunately haven't played DQ 11 yet (waiting on the Switch version), but that might be a great place to start.

I was kind of all over the place, but I hope this helps at least somewhat.
 

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Think the main thing there was that Lucas was chosen as the "Brawl veteran" and Roy was chosen as the "Melee veteran", completely ignoring the fact that Mewtwo was also a returning Melee veteran. Though it was still strange in the end to not see Wolf as DLC, seeing as that way you'd have two returning characters from Melee and two from Brawl. Not to mention Wolf's popularity and Star Fox Zero was approaching around that time.

My theory is that Sakurai saw the demand for Wolf in the Ballot and decided to save him for Smash Switch, which was likely in the early planning stages, and opted to finish out Smash 4 with only newcomers. With the huge demand for cut veterans in general pushing the idea behind bringing everyone back. Like I said though, just a theory.
My theory (which I posted on the last page) is that they were going to make Mewtwo regardless of popularity or demand, but they missed the deadline for his inclusion in the base game so opted to make him DLC instead. Which would mean Mewtwo had little effect on their choice of Roy other than the fact that they would have picked Mewtwo if they hadn't already.

This isn't to say your theory can't coincide with mine. :laugh:
 

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It's seeming really bleak, but I'm gonna keep having hope in Chorus Kids. Sakurai went back on Chrom and Ridley, and I doubt he'd let a scrapped character from an entirely new franchise out either.
 
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Speaking of Rhythm Heaven who do you think should be the rep?

I'd say Tap Trial Girl aka Rhythm Girl being she's probably the face of it.
 

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Rythym Heaven had scrapped stuff, doh.
I know, but did it end up in the final game?

We don’t even know who the characters were. Some keep saying it’s the Chrous Kids, when A) The Leak named them “Chorus Men” and B) They’re called the Glee Club. Not to mention if Sakurai planned anything else for RH.

What am saying is that in the end Sakurai just didn’t go through with RH and wasn’t seen as a priority in the end.
 
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I know, but did it end up in the final game?

We don’t even know who the characters were. Some keep saying it’s the Chrous Kids, when A) The Leak named them “Chorus Men” and B) They’re called the Glee Club. Not to mention if Sakurai planned anything else for RH.

What am saying is that in the end Sakurai just didn’t go through with RH and wasn’t seen as a priority in the end.
I still wish for a Doctor Mario stage, if we don't get Tetris.
 
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In regeards to Iridium Iridium 's unpopular opinions question;
  • Melee is my least favorite Smash game, simply because the other Smash games have more characters and content than it.
  • The 3DS version of Smash 4 is better than the Wii U version
  • Indies don't really need to be in Smash. Maybe as assist trophies but that's it.
  • I'm perfectly okay with more 3rd Party reps in Smash.
 
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