Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[TheCJBrine]

I actually like Let's Go.

The return of Jessie & James?! And they'll show up more than in Yellow?!

edit: plus I don't really mind the other stuff, though I do find requiring a Pokemon with a type-advantage even after Brock's gym to be weird, but that's minor imo.

I'm gonna get the Pikachu version, because Pikachu is my favorite 'mon of all of them.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I guess I can understand that. It's a bit strange indeed but I guess they're grouping the games into three bins...

- non canon, non main series "spinoffs"
- canon, main series "spinoffs"
- canon, core series, aka "the main games"

It's a bit disconcerting LGPE is in the second category, and any Go mechanics/dumbing down of the core series will make me insta boycott Gen 8. But I hope they'll keep the casuals/Go people happy with peddling LGPE like games and keep the core fans happy with games like what we're used to for core.

I don't see the issue. Go is honestly a severely big series, and it doesn't have truly spin-off gameplay. The core gameplay is catch 'em all.

The difference is that Go doesn't have anything beyond that, but does it in a different way. It makes sense games that are much more similar to the original game are mainline games, really.

 

[Noipoi]

I dunno I think I might get LGPE just because I really want to play pokemon on the switch and I've never played any of the Kanto games.

I'm gonna get it because I want Meltan, and I haven't played a Kanto game either so I suppose it'll be a new experience, but I hate Pokemon Go mechanics and i'm totally prepared to have a crappy time.

 

[amazonevan19]

Is... this distinction relevant to anything?

Like, even to Pokemon, must less Smash?

To Pokemon, sure. But for smash, nah we're just talking about irrelevant things because smash news drought. I'm finished with it though because I got the answers I needed.

 

[ZephyrZ]

The thing that baffles me the most about Let's Go is that they're trying to turn it into an entry level game...when Pokemon is already an entry level game. Who thought that was neccesary?

The only thing that is making me consider getting those games is the return of pokemon following you. But considering that Pokemon 2019 will probably have that, I see no reason to pick it up. I already have an old GBA with my copy of Fire Red in it if I ever need the nostalgia trip.

 

[Idon]

Is... this distinction relevant to anything?

Like, even to Pokemon, must less Smash?

There's only so many forum games we can play, man.

 

[TumblrFamous]

The difference is probably they want to turn the Let's Go games into their "Main" series and just produce a "core" game every once in a while to shut up the "core" audience.

I honestly disagree. I think Go was such a phenomenon that they had to milk it one last time before getting into Gen 8.

My thought process is that they're using LGPE as a bridge to get introduced to the current series, for either new players that only started with Go or people who haven't played since Gen 1 (which, come on, is why Gen 1 is being so pandered rn). Then, as mentioned above, they split paths with the main series games and Let's Go becomes a "spinoff" series. EDIT: Why they have to use it as an introduction for players, beats me, Pokemon is really easy to get into anyway

I'd like to hope they're going to do to Gen 8 what they did to Zelda or Mario and really innovate it. I want changes in terms of story, progress in the game, etc. But stripping away all the core gameplay mechanics is a bad move, and will totally alienate a large audience.

 

[Noipoi]

I honestly disagree. I think Go was such a phenomenon that they had to milk it one last time before getting into Gen 8.

My thought process is that they're using LGPE as a bridge to get introduced to the current series, for either new players that only started with Go or people who haven't played since Gen 1 (which, come on, is why Gen 1 is being so pandered rn). Then, as mentioned above, they split paths with the main series games and Let's Go becomes a "spinoff" series.

I'd like to hope they're going to do to Gen 8 what they did to Zelda or Mario and really innovate it. I want changes in terms of story, progress in the game, etc. But stripping away all the core gameplay mechanics is a bad move, and will totally alienate a large audience.

I'd love a huge, innovative Pokemon game too. The kind of game I dreamed about when I was a kid.
But Let's Go clearly shows us that's never gonna happen.

 

[P.Kat]

I hope this isn’t true though. I’m still hoping Nintendo will bring out some GameCube games on switch so that I can play paper Mario on the go

Still crossing my fingers for Paper Mario TTYD and Windwaker HD for Switch.

*insert your Square character here*, and 1 more character we won't be able to pin down

Also crossing my fingers for Sora for Square character, and Shantae and/or Elma as our one more character we can't pin down.

 

[Eru13]

I have a really simple distinction for the pokemon rpgs, if it connects to pokemon bank it's a core game, if not, it's a spinoff

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I have a really simple distinction for the pokemon rpgs, if it connects to pokemon bank it's a core game, if not, it's a spinoff

Didn't they find code in PokeBank for "Pokemon Go" pokemon?

Edit: First article I found on it. But there are others
https://www.slashgear.com/pokemon-gos-poke-bank-update-revealed-for-transfer-plus-trading-25472825/

 

[Noipoi]

I'd love a huge, innovative Pokemon game too. The kind of game I dreamed about when I was a kid.
But Let's Go clearly shows us that's never gonna happen.

Actually, this post is a little pessimistic. I'm just honestly worried about the future about my favorite franchise.
I'd rather it not go down the Paper Mario route.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd love a huge, innovative Pokemon game too. The kind of game I dreamed about when I was a kid.
But Let's Go clearly shows us that's never gonna happen.

But they've been working on Gen 8 before the Switch was even revealed, so they've been practically working on this for about 3 or so years. Let's Go isn't gonna hamper anything.

 

[RandomAce]

You know, I would rather get a Pokémon Mystery Dungeon entry for Sun and Moon than LGPE.

I just want some of my favorite Alola Pokémon in something like Mystery Dungeon than stuck on the core games.

 

[Idon]

I don't even care about mainline Pokemon anymore. It's clear that past gen 4 or 5, they'd really rather just appeal to the lowest common denominator with simple stories and un-challenging battles. I mean hell, I don't expect SMT tier level "beat up Lucifer" but come on, how did you become champion with a team like Hawlucha, Tyrantrum, Aurorus, Gourgeist, Goodra, and a mega Gardevoir?

For pete's sake, gen 7 champ doesn't even have a team of 6 pokemon.

When's Pokken 2, Bamco/TPC?

 

[Noipoi]

But they've been working on Gen 8 before the Switch was even revealed, so they've been practically working on this for about 3 or so years. Let's Go isn't gonna hamper anything.

But how do we know that? We can't really be sure until we actually see Gen 8, which won't be for another 5 months.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

I'd love a huge, innovative Pokemon game too. The kind of game I dreamed about when I was a kid.

An ''open world'' Pokemon game including all the different regions, Pokemon, items etc. where you have the freedom to do be whatever you want (be gym leader, join team rocket, run a day care etc.).

Don't mind me, i'm just dreaming.

 

[amazonevan19]

If Gen 8 is not innovative and looks like it belongs on the 3ds...I'll be very unhappy.

Based on what they've done with LoZ and Mario, I am really hoping they'll take the series in a much more open-world direction.

But Game Freak are the masters of disappointment, missed opportunities, playing it agonizingly safe, and appealing to the lowest common denominator. I expect LGPE to be mediocre at best but it's more likely going to be trash. The series is not in a good spot going in to gen 8.

Having said that, we know absolutely nothing about Gen 8 anyway so we can't be too excited or too pessimistic either way. If Pokemon goes the Paper Mario route then don't expect me to ever support the franchise again. I'm done being suckered a la Ultra SuMo.

 

[Deleted member]

But how do we know that? We can't really be sure until we actually see Gen 8, which won't be for another 5 months.

The only details that are out there is that "this isn't an entry game," so nothing like Red/Blue or Sun/Moon, supposedly the "Breath of the Wild/Super Mario Odyssey of Pokemon".

With how much in-house Nintendo studios are finally listening, I'll take Ishihara's word on it, at the very least. Honestly, Let's Go is just an entire marketing campaign for Gen 8 with converting players into the main series, so we could probably be looking at the Switch's biggest game to date.

 

[Zinith]

Blade of Evil's Bane Haven't seen you in this thread for a while

 

[Eru13]

Didn't they find code in PokeBank for "Pokemon Go" pokemon?

Edit: First article I found on it. But there are others
https://www.slashgear.com/pokemon-gos-poke-bank-update-revealed-for-transfer-plus-trading-25472825/

Yeah, but that article is from last year and all we've gotten is the connection between go and let's go, I remember Ishihara mentioning on record that they were looking for ways to connect go players with the main series players and this might just be a scrapped idea they had (or something for the future?)

Anyway, until go or let's go get pokemon bank connectivity, there's basically two different pokemon ecosystems

 

[Glaciacott]

I would only accept a pokemon open world if it were designed like the open world in Xenoblade Chronicles X.

I want to be exploring a continent and fly to an island in the sky only to realize that's not an island, it's a giant legendary pokemon that will murder me in one hit.

 

[TumblrFamous]

If Gen 8 is not innovative and looks like it belongs on the 3ds...I'll be very unhappy.

Based on what they've done with LoZ and Mario, I am really hoping they'll take the series in a much more open-world direction.

But Game Freak are the masters of disappointment, missed opportunities, playing it agonizingly safe, and appealing to the lowest common denominator. I expect LGPE to be mediocre at best but it's more likely going to be trash. The series is not in a good spot going in to gen 8.

Having said that, we know absolutely nothing about Gen 8 anyway so we can't be too excited or too pessimistic either way. If Pokemon goes the Paper Mario route then don't expect me to ever support the franchise again. I'm done being suckered a la Ultra SuMo.

I didn't even bother picking up USUM. I saw it for what it was the second it was announced.

 

[Luigi The President]

Blade of Evil's Bane Haven't seen you in this thread for a while

Quoting people we ain't seen?
Nethermoosen Miss you my boy

 

[PlasmaDam]

Remember when we all buyed Pokemon USUM Thinking that it would be a good game I remember those awful days those were 40 dollars I cant get back

 

[RandomAce]

Quoting people we ain't seen?
Nethermoosen Miss you my boy

What happened to the amazing Tree Gelbman .

***** makes some of the most laughable jokes on here. I remember that one time when she made an origin story for Wii Fit Trainer, priceless.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I bought USUM but I knew it wasn't going to be good.

I just wanted to get Nagenegel

 

[PlasmaDam]

I'm a not buying pokemon lets go i have learned from my mistake

 

[Noipoi]

The only details that are out there is that "this isn't an entry game," so nothing like Red/Blue or Sun/Moon, supposedly the "Breath of the Wild/Super Mario Odyssey of Pokemon".

With how much in-house Nintendo studios are finally listening, I'll take Ishihara's word on it, at the very least. Honestly, Let's Go is just an entire marketing campaign for Gen 8 with converting players into the main series, so we could probably be looking at the Switch's biggest game to date.

I admire your insurmountable optimism, it's the same optimism I had for Pokemon switch before Pikachu and Eevee were announced.
That optimism has been replaced by fear, hopefully come 2019 i'll see those fears were unfounded.

 

[amazonevan19]

The only details that are out there is that "this isn't an entry game," so nothing like Red/Blue or Sun/Moon, supposedly the "Breath of the Wild/Super Mario Odyssey of Pokemon".

With how much in-house Nintendo studios are finally listening, I'll take Ishihara's word on it, at the very least. Honestly, Let's Go is just an entire marketing campaign for Gen 8 with converting players into the main series, so we could probably be looking at the Switch's biggest game to date.

Please dear God let this be true.

Game Freak is different from Nintendo though and they do their own damn thing. If Nintendo was in 100% control of Pokemon I'd be a little less uptight about Gen 8, but this is Lame Freak we're talking about. They do the bare minimum. Expecting something new and innovative from Lame Freak is like expecting Mother 3 to be ported to the West...it's just not going to happen.

I hope I am pleasantly suprised and we do get a Pokemon Breath of the Wild-like experience, but everything is pointing towards towards the same mediocrity the series has become.

 

[Luigi The President]

What happened to the amazing Tree Gelbman .

***** makes some of the most laughable jokes on here. I remember that one time when she made an origin story for Wii Fit Trainer, priceless.

Fisher's been around! Saw her recently as like 3 days ago.

 

[Ring-a-Sheep]

Remember when we all buyed Pokemon USUM Thinking that it would be a good game I remember those awful days those were 40 dollars I cant get back

I didn't buy the original sun & moon games so i had a good time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[RandomAce]

Remember when we all buyed Pokemon USUM Thinking that it would be a good game I remember those awful days those were 40 dollars I cant get back

I don’t know about you, but I didn’t!

Then again, it was my first Pokémon game, but I still liked it.

 

[Noipoi]

I actually liked Ultra Sun and Ultra moon, Ultra Necrozma was awesome.

 

[Luigi The President]

Remember when we all buyed Pokemon USUM Thinking that it would be a good game I remember those awful days those were 40 dollars I cant get back

I bought the originals and I'm having a great time with those games.

 

[Impa4Smash]

I just can’t see Pokémon changing as drasticly as Mario and Zelda did. 3D World and Skywayrd Sword were critiqued much harsher than Sun and Moon was.

I’m sure they’ll be improvements but I just don’t think Gen 8 will experiment as much as Odyssey and BotW.

 

[PlasmaDam]

I dont feel like all main series nintendo games arent gonna be like breath of wild or oddessy like Kirby star allies was a basic as heck Kirby game it felt like a 3ds game sometimes

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Blade of Evil's Bane Haven't seen you in this thread for a while

Yeah i was gone for a few weeks, visited a friend in a more rural area. No internet... just had a wii U with Shovel Knight and Smash 4 and a lot of beer.

Shovel Knight is awesome btw! (I had never played it before). As a Megaman and Ninja Gaiden fan i was in heaven with this piece of art!

It was kind of heartbreaking to know he was already deconfirmed for Smash, i'm sure he would have been a great playable character.

 

[PlasmaDam]

Pokemon Usum wasn't the worst but it was so mediroce it was pokemon an reskinned and like 15 percent more content at best

 

[Luigi The President]

I dont feel like all main series nintendo games arent gonna be like breath of wild or oddessy like Kirby star allies was a basic as heck Kirby game it felt like a 3ds game sometimes

I MEAN KIRBY STAR ALLIES FEATURES THE RETURN OF PRACTICALLY EVERY KIRBY CHARACTER, ALL PLAYABLE, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE CELEBRATED DEFINITELY A MILESTONE