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Just a Casual Reminder from ol' Zin that, yes, he's still in love with the dinosaurMY All-Star has been in from the beginning, so argue all ya want![]()
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Just a Casual Reminder from ol' Zin that, yes, he's still in love with the dinosaurMY All-Star has been in from the beginning, so argue all ya want![]()
"Somebody once told me..."MY All-Star has been in from the beginning, so argue all ya want![]()
Toon Link was pretty much an updated Young Link. All of the characters got their GameCube designs. So it's not really a good comparison. It'd be better to say the fact we got 3 Links now, but that only supports the idea of 3 Marios anyway.You're going to really hate me for saying this but...he's another Mario.
I'm not saying he can't or won't be unique. I'm not saying that he'd be a bad character at all or doesn't "deserve" to be included, but a lot of people - myself included - would find Waluigi to be more exciting because he's a recurring character who's not already present in some form.
Not that that stopped Toon Link.
The problem is Paper Mario, while great, isn't a character who is nearly everywhere to the same degree. Waluigi is a bigger character right now, but I'm sure it would be the opposite if the last two Paper Mario games were as good as the first three. It's not just about having their own games. There's more to it than that. Only one has an amiibo. Only one is in over double the games as the other. Paper Mario being a main character is the big thing going for him. Waluigi is overall more recognizable, which gives him an edge as an all-star. They're easily on similar levels, though. Waluigi just inches him out a bit due to being more recognizable, really. I mean, you have to look at who is actually in Smash gameplay-wise as well. It isn't Paper Mario. He's never been more than a trophy. Waluigi is one of the many characters who are basically "notable but not playable so they have an AT role, which is still a pretty big role overall".Paper Mario's definitely above Waluigi imo.
Headlines over 5 games at this point.
His fanbase is still out there. Though it's dwindled.
IMO it's more that Golden Sun and Chibi-Robo are perhaps the biggest Nintendo series who have yet to get a character.
Bandana Dee is kinda near all-star though he's definitely just supporting in the end sadly.
Yeah, I would say if any company could potentially get two characters in at once, it would be Microsoft--if you're going to work with a "rival" company, you might as well get everything while you can (this is completely ignoring all the legal hurdles and money that would be involved, for the sake of a hypothetical). That being said, we're already at the point where we're forced to get our expectations as low as possible, with the time we have left, but it's technically possible, and I'd be fine with them both coming in simultaneously despite how unlikely I consider it to be. Maybe even a dual reveal trailer.I think Banjo has a great chance at the base roster.... even taking leaks into account, Vergeben didnt know aboutor
so he doesn't know everything.
There could easily be 1 or 2 character's none echo who could show up in the final reveals. I bet Banjo... even IF the Minecraft content is in fact Steve... I still think Banjo can be there. He'd be a great last surprise reveal.
Incinaroar
Ken
Dixie
Shadow
Geno
Steve
Banjo
That would be 4 final unique fighters and 3 echoes to finish off the base roster, I can see it..
Well, asteroids smash so... *puts thinking cap on*He's talking about an asteroid not Smash.
We still don't have Kamek and Toad.Dixie is the only glaring omission in the current roster. I think she'll get in as a Diddy echo
I agree with Toad, but I think Kamek is perfect assist Trophy material.We still don't have Kamek and Toad.
Simply can't bring myself to say another unique Fire Emblem rep is anywhere near essential Idon my friend and I say that with kindnesscough
5 Heroes Alts
COUGH
First place in Choose Your Legends poll
COUGH COUGH
First international Lord.
COUGH COUGH COUGH
Still a well-known a decade and a half later.
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And still an assist trophy.cough
5 Heroes Alts
COUGH
First place in Choose Your Legends poll
COUGH COUGH
First international Lord.
COUGH COUGH COUGH
Still a well-known a decade and a half later.
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First international Lord.
COUGH COUGH COUGH
Well that's the reason I brought up Toon Link anyway. I could totally see Paper Mario getting in before Waluigi. But I could also see the reverse where Waluigi gets in first.It'd be better to say the fact we got 3 Links now, but that only supports the idea of 3 Marios anyway.
No joke, I would be 3000% happier with Eliwood. Imagine the RANGE BUFF![]()
Eliwood's already in the game, dude.
Hey, I don't see you talking about Toad still getting punched in the face for Peach.And still an assist trophy.
It's not about the amount.Simply can't bring myself to say another unique Fire Emblem rep is anywhere near essential Idon my friend and I say that with kindness
Nah chief it's still about the amount imoNo joke, I would be 3000% happier with Eliwood. Imagine the RANGE BUFF
He'd have to get rid of his horse though...
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Hey, I don't see you talking about Toad still getting punched in the face for Peach.
It's not about the amount.
It's about the who.
I get that, maybe it was bit extreme to say he's Saki-tier, but I still wouldn't call him essential by any stretch.Nahhhh
He's still the eponymous character of a series which has received multiple worldwide titles, it's just that none(?) of those titles made much of a splash.
I guess somebody doesn't like adventure...Outside of Echoes and 3rd party reveals, I don't expect a single non-3rd party newcomer to be considered an 'all-star' at this point.
Incineroar, as much as I love the big lug, isn't an 'all-star', he's a Pokemon, which gets special treatment because >Pokemon.... and really, besides Rhythm Heaven, newer installments of Xenoblade and ARMs, there just aren't many "BIG" Nintendo series left.
Spring Man/Ribbon Girl, Rex+Pyra OR Elma and a RH rep I'd consider "Nintendo-All Stars" by proxy, but besides a few more supporting characters to existing franchises, like Bandanna Dee or................... Dixie, yeah, Dixie works.
I just don't think there's a whole hell of a lot "Nintendo" characters left.
Hardly. Big Brain Academy, Excitebike, and even Nintendo Land have sold better than those series.*Cries in Rhythm Heaven*
Sadly, it’s Golden Sun and Rhythm Heaven that are the biggest series not yet in Smash.
Hey, Toad's already in.I guess somebody doesn't like adventure...
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He could and should be playable. We don't have a traditional Spellcaster yet, and he could also summon enemies. Not to mention the fact thatI agree with Toad, but I think Kamek is perfect assist Trophy material.
Not gonna lie I hate the whole summoning concept for most character so much.He could and should be playable. We don't have a traditional Spellcaster yet, and he could also summon enemies. Not to mention the fact thatis the only member of the Original 8 without an antagonist.
This physically hurt meKOS-MOS is in.
However, she is based on Xenosaga Episode II's combat system, and is completely unable to combo without first performing 3 full, uninteruppted taunts to build up Stock Points.
(seriously, who thought that was a good idea?)
I don't need to fight.It's not about the amount.
It's about the who.
Calm down Roger DaltreyI don't need to fight.
To prove I'm right.
I don't need to be forgiven.
Don't cry.
Don't raise your eye.
It's only teenage wasteland.
Watch me trying to do this and then start spamming projectiles/down-air after twenty seconds.So, I was rewatching Simon's reveal trailer, and it reminded me. I came up with a fun challenge for Simon/Richter mains to try out when the game releases.
The Classic Castlevania Challenge:
Play Simon or Richter, and hold yourself to these limitations:
- No running
- Only a single jump
- The only moves you can use to attack are forward smash and forward air (without angling)
- Only a single special move (except the uppercut, which you're not allowed to use at all) of your choosing
- For extra difficulty, limit the number of times you can use the special move you choose (to mimic the heart system from Castlevania)
And there she will stay.And still an assist trophy.
As soon as we get No More Heroes 3.Until Travis Touchdown is in Smash Sakurai is a coward and a fool. Give SUDA51 what he wants!
A direct on the 11th?Anyway, my prediction for next week:
We have until next Wednesday to hear about a Direct/Reveal. If we don't hear about one by Wednesday, we're not going to get anything.
The last time we got a Smash announcement not tied to a General Direct, the news came a few days in advance(Sunday iirc), so we should theoretically expect something by Sunday/Monday.
If we hear something, then the Direct will come on the 10th or 11th.
If it's on the 11th, I fully expect people will take whatever the 10th's Song is to expect who the next newcomer is, and be very disappointed when it doesn't come to pass.
Or, it could just be no one at all. We could very well be waiting for awhile.
Despite the BIG red flags that got held up for us to see, without an official confirmation, it's wayyy too early to put all your chips in the basket of "Reveal next week".
If it DOES come:
Direct on the 11th, the 10th's music will have nothing to do with the character(s) shown off, despite how hard people theorize. If it's a Direct, it WILL be the final one before launch.
And as will Waluigi until he stars in a main game rather then spin-offs.And there she will stay.
Hector fans on watchBy the way, since we are talking about Fire Emblem characters and Smash, I think that if we do get a non-echo newcomer for Fire Emblem as DLC, I think it should be Edelgard from the upcoming Fire Emblem Switch title. Why her over any other characters? Two words:
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AXE LORD.
Ah yes very similar to the ever-popular mode of Single-Button Smash.So, I was rewatching Simon's reveal trailer, and it reminded me. I came up with a fun challenge for Simon/Richter mains to try out when the game releases.
The Classic Castlevania Challenge:
Play Simon or Richter, and hold yourself to these limitations:
- No running
- Only a single jump
- The only moves you can use to attack are forward smash and forward air (without angling)
- Only a single special move (except the uppercut, which you're not allowed to use at all) of your choosing
- For extra difficulty, limit the number of times you can use the special move you choose (to mimic the heart system from Castlevania)
Calm down Roger Daltrey
I have many more Pokemon that I'd much rather have than Incineroar.If Incineroar is our next newcomer, how are people feeling about him? I've come to like the idea quite a bit, actually.
In terms of Fire Emblem, Lyn is the most popular non-recent possibility for a rep.Nah chief it's still about the amount imo
Absolutely ridiculous to get hypothetically get Lyn before Isaac or a Rhythm Heaven rep though I understand that's probably not what you meant.
Lyn's popular yeah but I'm very hesitant to name her as an all-star.
Not the point I'm making at all. My point was regarding her status as an "all-star".I have many more Pokemon that I'd much rather have than Incineroar.
However, I would be fine with this addition under 3 conditions:
1. Incineroar's moveset looks interesting/cool
2. Its personality shines through that moveset
3. He's not the last character as the box theory suggests
In terms of Fire Emblem, Lyn is the most popular non-recent possibility for a rep.
But considering we've got Chrom already and a Three Houses rep (Edelgard) probably being DLC, its unlikely.
Yes I know she's an assist again; I don't want to remind myself of that
Compared to Issac/RH Rep, I'm not sure how she would compare.
I know it seems like these reps, specifically Isaac, would be much more likely, but we can't know for sure.
Sakurai obviously likes Fire Emblem and Heroes is pushing a billion different Lyn alts, so she's definitely more relevant than the others.
It really just comes down to what Sakurai decides, it's his vision after all.
Just one?By the way, since we are talking about Fire Emblem characters and Smash, I think that if we do get a non-echo newcomer for Fire Emblem as DLC, I think it should be Edelgard from the upcoming Fire Emblem Switch title. Why her over any other characters? Two words:
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AXE LORD.
IT'S GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE A CASE FOR DLC OKAY I CAN DREAMAs soon as we get No More Heroes 3.
(And I aint talking about Travis Strikes Back)
Oh hey, I don't hate her.By the way, since we are talking about Fire Emblem characters and Smash, I think that if we do get a non-echo newcomer for Fire Emblem as DLC, I think it should be Edelgard from the upcoming Fire Emblem Switch title. Why her over any other characters? Two words:
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AXE LORD.
Seems like for FE White hair is the new Blue hairBy the way, since we are talking about Fire Emblem characters and Smash, I think that if we do get a non-echo newcomer for Fire Emblem as DLC, I think it should be Edelgard from the upcoming Fire Emblem Switch title. Why her over any other characters? Two words:
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AXE LORD.