Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Dukeofdeath5]

It's been made clear though that stage appearances don't deconfirm a character though.

When Tails joins the battle, Alfonzo takes charge of the Green Hill Zone

Alfonzo: Leave it to me!

 

[Idon]

>when people would rather an axe lord they know nothing about over THE LEGEND

 

[Michael the Spikester]

It's official then I can certainly believe next week is the final Smash Direct and it'll be revealing the following as I posted on the last page followed by Geno being announced as the first DLC character and five final stages which if this is true and had to predict what they'd be.

Alola stage
Kirby stage (Since Marx is rumored to be a boss)
Minecraft stage
Monster Hunter stage (Stage where you fight Rathatos)
Yoshi's Crafted World stage

 

[Impa4Smash]

If we did get another FE rep, I'd love Tiki. Have her transform and everything

 

[ZenythSmash]

Naw, clearly it'll be KOS-MOS! I have ROCK SOLID evidence!

So, you see... the next fighter will be fighter 69! What does 69 look like?

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That's right! The Vector Industries logo! The same logo emblazoned upon KOS-MOS Refrain's visor!

Truly, no greater evidence could exist, and this is in no way reaching, as Sakurai and Nintendo would certainly be utterly beholden to the concept of number-emblem synchronicity!



Sorry not sorry.

T-elos being 69e would really make my entire day

Spoiler: Hot stuff warning

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goddamn she even cuter in her true form

 

[P.Kat]

I don't think its impossible for two Sonic characters to be revealed. Tails is a very popular, highly requested character, who I'm honestly surprised hasn't made an appearance yet.

Shadow, well with Echoes being a thing, I'm fairly certain he'll be in. DLC or not.

...would rather have Metal Sonic though. :T

I would rather have Blaze the Cat personally. She even has a super form.

 

[Shroob]

Theoretically, if there 'is' a Smash Direct, I fully expect that they'd announce it several days in advance like they did the last one.


So in theory, Sunday would kinda be the cut off point for this I feel, just like what they did with EVO's announcement.


If the "10 day" theory is correct, the Direct would fall on the 11th, and I just cannot imagine them springing the news of a Smash Direct on the 10th.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Just for the fun of it because I'm kind of bored.

Spoiler

01: Mario
02: Donkey Kong
03: Link
04: Samus
04e: Dark Samus
05: Yoshi
06: Kirby
07: Fox
08: Pikachu
09: Luigi
10: Ness
11: Captain Falcon
12: Jigglypuff
13: Peach
13e: Daisy
14: Bowser
15: Ice Climbers
16: Sheik
17: Zelda
18: Dr. Mario
19: Pichu
20: Falco
21: Marth
21e: Lucina
22: Young Link
23: Ganondorf
24: Mewtwo
25: Roy
25e: Chrom
26: Mr. Game & Watch
27: Meta Knight
28: Pit
28e: Dark Pit
29: Zero Suit Samus
30: Wario
31: Snake
32: Ike
33-35: Pokemon Trainer (Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard)
36: Diddy Kong
37: Lucas
38: Sonic
38e: Shadow
39: King Dedede
40: Olimar
41: Lucario
42: R.O.B.
43: Toon Link
44: Wolf
45: Villager
46: Mega Man
47: Wii Fit Trainer
48: Rosalina & Luma
49: Little Mac
50: Greninja
51-53: Mii FIGHTER (Brawler, Gunner, Swordfighter)
54: Palutena
55: Pac-Man
56: Robin
57: Shulk
58: Bowser Jr.
59: Duck Hunt
60: Ryu
60e: Ken
61: Cloud
62: Corrin
63: Bayonetta
64: Inkling
65: Ridley
66: Simon
66e: Richter
67: King K. Rool
68: Isabelle
69: Incineroar
70: Tails

First DLC character: Geno

76 fighters including echos (Pokemon Trainer and Mii Fighter are considered as one character)

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

^Still doubting Tails at least base game anyway.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

^Still doubting Tails at least base game anyway.

If not then I'd imagine Geno being 70 then in that case. Definitely still not ruling out Tails though especially Nintendo's and Sega's strong relationship and that Tails was a Mii Costume in Sm4sh.

 

[Lynn Eslie]

T-elos being 69e would really make my entire day

So very much yes!

Not to mention that everyone is waiting in fear and/or anticipation of all the NSFW fan art that the internet will certainly see manifest around the illustrious "Number 69." Yet, in the case of KOS-MOS and T-elos... that particular designation would, by all appearances, change little.

 

[Idon]

I would rather have Blaze the Cat personally. She even has a super form.

Screw the rest of the entire Sonic cast
If we got a remix of THIS

It would justify Blaze.

 

[CosmicQuark]

It's official then I can certainly believe next week is the final Smash Direct and it'll be revealing the following as I posted on the last page followed by Geno being announced as the first DLC character and five final stages which if this is true and had to predict what they'd be.

Alola stage
Kirby stage (Since Marx is rumored to be a boss)
Minecraft stage
Monster Hunter stage (Stage where you fight Rathatos)
Yoshi's Crafted World stage

Wha? Did I miss something? Official? Marx rumor? Been trying to see if I missed something in the last few pages, but don't see anything.

I think if we had 16-20 characters like we usually do, Tails would have been a shoe in. Given his Mii costume, having Tails with a Shadow echo. But with the limited amount of newcomers, I can't see that many characters, let alone third party newcomers. Capcom, Sega, Konami all have two unique characters, and I can't see them getting any more in the base, whereas Bandai Namco and Square Enix are likely to get one more character, though I'm less sure about Bandai Namco. And that's not including new third parties, like Microsoft, Ubisoft, Activision that could be represented. Out of the companies that already have two unique newcomers, I can only see Capcom *maybe* getting another character, because of the Rathalos assist, and in that case I would think it's either Dante or Monster Hunter. I don't think that's happening, though.

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

If not then I'd imagine Geno being 70 then in that case. Definitely still not ruling out Tails especially Nintendo's and Sega's strong relationship and that Tails was a Mii Costume in Sm4sh.

That might be true but I still don't think it's likely, I'm just trying to have realistic expectations for what's coming up.

 

[osby]

So very much yes!

Not to mention that everyone is waiting in fear and/or anticipation of all the NSFW fan art that the internet will certainly see manifest around the illustrious "Number 69." Yet, in the case of KOS-MOS and T-elos... that particular designation would, by all appearances, change little.

Sakurai: "As you all know, we have 68 unique fighters and we intent to keep it that way. No more new fighters, you sick ****s."

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Wha? Did I miss something? Official? Marx rumor? Been trying to see if I missed something in the last few pages, but don't see anything.

I think if we had 16-20 characters like we usually do, Tails would have been a shoe in. Given his Mii costume, having Tails with a Shadow echo. But with the limited amount of newcomers, I can't see that many characters, let alone third party newcomers. Capcom, Sega, Konami all have two unique characters, and I can't see them getting any more in the base, whereas Bandai Namco and Square Enix are likely to get one more character, though I'm less sure about Bandai Namco. And that's not including new third parties, like Microsoft, Ubisoft, Activision that could be represented. Out of the companies that already have two unique newcomers, I can only see Capcom *maybe* getting another character, because of the Rathalos assist, and in that case I would think it's either Dante or Monster Hunter. I don't think that's happening, though.

If we count echos though Konami has three.



Personally for all we know too the whole Monster Hunter stage and Rathatos could be in the same vain as the supposed Minecraft stage and assist trophy as well as Paper Mario stage.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

If not then I'd imagine Geno being 70 then in that case. Definitely still not ruling out Tails though especially Nintendo's and Sega's strong relationship and that Tails was a Mii Costume in Sm4sh.

If Tails or Geno gets into base I will personally give you a blow job for free

 

[Shroob]

Wha? Did I miss something? Official? Marx rumor? Been trying to see if I missed something in the last few pages, but don't see anything.

I think if we had 16-20 characters like we usually do, Tails would have been a shoe in. Given his Mii costume, having Tails with a Shadow echo. But with the limited amount of newcomers, I can't see that many characters, let alone third party newcomers. Capcom, Sega, Konami all have two unique characters, and I can't see them getting any more in the base, whereas Bandai Namco and Square Enix are likely to get one more character, though I'm less sure about Bandai Namco. And that's not including new third parties, like Microsoft, Ubisoft, Activision that could be represented. Out of the companies that already have two unique newcomers, I can only see Capcom *maybe* getting another character, because of the Rathalos assist, and in that case I would think it's either Dante or Monster Hunter. I don't think that's happening, though.

I mean..... Ken's kinda a thing that's going to happen, unless you don't count Echoes.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If Tails or Geno gets into base I will personally give you a blow job for free

Sorry but I'm not gay.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

Sorry but I'm not gay.

So is spaghetti till it's wet.

Wait, you didn't say you were straight.

Shame, that woulda been funny.

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

I mean..... Ken's kinda a thing that's going to happen, unless you don't count Echoes.

Yes but so far no third party franchise has three characters yet.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I mean..... Ken's kinda a thing that's going to happen, unless you don't count Echoes.

Let's also not forget the above I posted.

Snake, Simon and Richter.

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

Let's also not forget the above I posted.

Snake, Simon and Richter.

Mega Man, Ryu and Ken
Sonic, Bayonetta and Shadow(possibly)

Maybe that's a more believable pattern going on.

 

[CosmicQuark]

If we count echos though Konami has three.



Personally for all we know too the whole Monster Hunter stage and Rathatos could be in the same vain as the supposed Minecraft stage and assist trophy as well as Paper Mario stage.

If we count echoes, though, Sega would have 3 if Shadow's an echo: Sonic, Bayonetta, and Shadow. Given his missing assist, how much easier it is to make echoes than newcomers, as much as I'd want Tails, Shadow seems the most likely. And personally I think Monster Hunter and Minecraft would be in similar situations, where they have stages and assists, but no characters--there's a nice symmetry there. I included the possibility of Capcom given certain aspects of rumor/speculation, even though I don't think they're getting any characters in the base game.

I mean..... Ken's kinda a thing that's going to happen, unless you don't count Echoes.

I made sure to specify "unique characters", though perhaps I could have clarified better somehow. If echoes are included, as I mention above, it doesn't change much if we include those rumored/speculated.

 

[Squirtle/Mario guy]

Poll results both gets in cause a draw oh well ima pick myself, since i've seen Yoshi popular than Luigi then Yoshi it is or both hmm

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'm still betting the 70th fighter being either Tails or Geno. If the former then Geno will be the first DLC character in a similar situation as Mewtwo was for Sm4sh.

 

[Shroob]

Honestly, at this point:


We know Ken's in, so my question will be:


"Is Shadow also in, or did he just get cut as an Assist because Sakurai felt like it?"



Hopefully we'll see this coming week.



I have zero attachment to the Sonic franchise, never played a single Sonic game in my life, but I'd be fine with Shadow regardless, if only due to the meme potential.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly, at this point:


We know Ken's in, so my question will be:


"Is Shadow also in, or did he just get cut as an Assist because Sakurai felt like it?"



Hopefully we'll see this coming week.



I have zero attachment to the Sonic franchise, never played a single Sonic game in my life, but I'd be fine with Shadow regardless, if only due to the meme potential.

Honestly, I think it depends on how much the franchise has gained since the last game. Street Fighter has 30 more tracks than Smash Wii U and is getting some serious love, so it makes sense to think that "Oh, if Street Fighter is getting THIS much, then Ken feels right". So if Shadow is coming, then how much love is Sonic getting at the moment, because isn't Sonic only having like two new songs or something?

Which is why I sincerely hope when Incineroar comes, he better also come with some stuff other than "oh hey, here's a character that's it lol". I need some OOMPH, give me a few remixes, a stage, trophies and all that ****.

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

I'm still betting the 70th fighter being either Tails or Geno. If the former then Geno will be the first DLC character in a similar situation as Mewtwo was for Sm4sh.

Geno seems more believable since the secret Square Enix character rumor.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Honestly, at this point:


We know Ken's in, so my question will be:


"Is Shadow also in, or did he just get cut as an Assist because Sakurai felt like it?"



Hopefully we'll see this coming week.



I have zero attachment to the Sonic franchise, never played a single Sonic game in my life, but I'd be fine with Shadow regardless, if only due to the meme potential.

Is there anything to think we'll be getting a full blown Smash Direct, though? It's what I asked previously, in case I missed something, as it's being taken more seriously. Unless I've missed something, I think given Sakurai's recent statements, I think it's likely we'll only get one character reveal in October, a character/echo if we're lucky. And my bet is on Incineroar, which unfortunately, doesn't help us that much.

EDIT:

Honestly, I think it depends on how much the franchise has gained since the last game. Street Fighter has 30 more tracks than Smash Wii U and is getting some serious love, so it makes sense to think that "Oh, if Street Fighter is getting THIS much, then Ken feels right". So if Shadow is coming, then how much love is Sonic getting at the moment, because isn't Sonic only having like two new songs or something?

Which is why I sincerely hope when Incineroar comes, he better also come with some stuff other than "oh hey, here's a character that's it lol". I need some OOMPH, give me a few remixes, a stage, trophies and all that ****.

Unfortunately, if the August Direct is anything to go by. =/ Makes sense, though, if those songs are associated with Shadow. There will be new songs.

 

[Shroob]

Honestly, I think it depends on how much the franchise has gained since the last game. Street Fighter has 30 more tracks than Smash Wii U and is getting some serious love, so it makes sense to think that "Oh, if Street Fighter is getting THIS much, then Ken feels right". So if Shadow is coming, then how much love is Sonic getting at the moment, because isn't Sonic only having like two new songs or something?

Which is why I sincerely hope when Incineroar comes, he better also come with some stuff other than "oh hey, here's a character that's it lol". I need some OOMPH, give me a few remixes, a stage, trophies and all that ****.

The thing about Shadow is he's being pushed 'outside' of Smash super hard lately.... at least I think he is? I've seen people use "Shadow's been showing up a lot lately" in Sonic games and apparently an absence of him since.....awhile?


I really know nothing about the franchise, frankly.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

My gut is telling me were getting the Final Smash Reveal due to said pattern and to prevent such leaks from happening since it happened with the last two games. That'd probably be a reason for them to get it done with and honestly it'd be a very smart move on Sakurai's and Nintendo's part.

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

The thing about Shadow is he's being pushed 'outside' of Smash super hard lately.... at least I think he is? I've seen people use "Shadow's been showing up a lot lately" in Sonic games and apparently an absence of him since.....awhile?


I really know nothing about the franchise, frankly.

Well he did have his own part of Sonic Forces as dlc and he wouldn't be too hard to make as an echo since he played exactly the same in Sonic Adventure 2 and Heroes.

 

[CosmicQuark]

The thing about Shadow is he's being pushed 'outside' of Smash super hard lately.... at least I think he is? I've seen people use "Shadow's been showing up a lot lately" in Sonic games and apparently an absence of him since.....awhile?


I really know nothing about the franchise, frankly.

Shadow was the only non-Sonic/Avatar character to be playable in Sonic Forces, so he is being "pushed" to a certain extent. I think it's just an easy palette swap, though, which again, goes to why he'd make a good echo in Smash. EDIT:

 

[Shroob]

Is there anything to think we'll be getting a full blown Smash Direct, though? It's what I asked previously, in case I missed something, as it's being taken more seriously. Unless I've missed something, I think given Sakurai's recent statements, I think it's likely we'll only get one character reveal in October, a character/echo if we're lucky. And my bet is on Incineroar, which unfortunately, doesn't help us that much.

EDIT:



Unfortunately, if the August Direct is anything to go by. =/ Makes sense, though, if those songs are associated with Shadow. There will be new songs.

No, there's nothing except circumstantial evidence and gut feelings.


To me, it makes zero sense to have a one-off reveal in October and have a full-blown Direct less than a month later, frankly.


If there really are 3-5 more characters left, with perhaps up to two of those being Echoes, why would you reveal one of your last Newcomers alone?



Smash 4 got away with it because it still had Shulk, Duck Hunt, Bowser Jr, and a whole bunch of unloackable veterans and clones.



We're going to know every character pre-launch, separating one Newcomer from your Final Smash Direct feels really weird if there aren't that many characters left.

 

[osby]

If Shadow gets in, I want him to duke it out with and in his reveal trailer.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If Shadow gets in, I want him to duke it out with and in his reveal trailer.

Edge.

Edge everywhere.

 

[xAquaCrystal]

The thing about Shadow is he's being pushed 'outside' of Smash super hard lately.... at least I think he is? I've seen people use "Shadow's been showing up a lot lately" in Sonic games and apparently an absence of him since.....awhile?


I really know nothing about the franchise, frankly.

You are right shadow have lately been advertised more outside of smash. He had a day 1 dlc in sonic forces and the newest sonic racing game coming out is mainly showing off sonic and shadow rivalry.

 

[osby]

Edge.

Edge everywhere.

I can't hear you because of the edge.

 

[Shroob]

It really wouldn't surprise me if Shadow being in Smash was the reason for this sudden resurgence of the character.


We've seen Konami start to use the "Classic" Simon look before we even saw Simon in Smash, and that probably had a good hand in it.