Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[domriver]

The Big House event starts today right?

 

[JustCallMeJon]

The Big House event starts today right?

Yes, they are starting pools/doubles for Melee and Smash 4.

 

[dezeray112]

Let's play a game, imagine if Nintendo stopped making Consoles and became a third party developer (Let's hope that doesn't happen). A new Smash game is coming with a version exclusive character on the following systems:

Playstation
Xbox
Steam

Who would the characters be?

Playstation: Parrapa the Rappa
Xbox: Jago (Killer Instinct)

I can't really say much about what Steam character I want.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I desperately want a new Zelda character, if only to prove that this stupid "only the Triforce" fan rule is and always was meaningless. I don't know what Sakurai's reasoning was for not including Midna or Tingle sooner, but I doubt it had anything to do with their lack of association with the Triforce.

Only the characters that showed up the most in the Zelda series have managed to become playable so far, and yet Hyrule Warriors isn't so hesitant, having everyone and their mother playable. If that had a sequel, I bet they'd add some that weren't around in the original, like Vaati, General Onox/Veran and even the Zora Queen from ALBW.

My guess is that the suits must think the non-Link/Zelda/Ganondorf characters are flavors of the month (similarly to Pokémon), even though fans clearly want people like Midna and Skull Kid to get in. It's particularly absurd with Impa, who is considered to be the same character in every game she makes an appearance in, even with her varied designs throughout the series.

 

[Xgears]

Hey guys, I'm LaxChris and I run a channel on youtube. I found a pretty interesting leak on 4chan that I for some reason feel could actually happen, it would be mighty cool if you all took a look before my video finishes rendering

Spoiler: Smash Ultimate Leak

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/434035052

Dude I found a interesting leak for your Channel. I could give it to you if you want.

 

[osby]

Only the characters that showed up the most in the Zelda series have managed to become playable so far, and yet Hyrule Warriors isn't so hesitant, having everyone and their mother playable. If that had a sequel, I bet they'd add some that weren't around in the original, like Vaati, General Onox/Veran and even the Zora Queen from ALBW.

My guess is that the suits must think the non-Link/Zelda/Ganondorf characters are flavors of the month (similarly to Pokémon), even though fans clearly want people like Midna and Skull Kid to get in.

The suits? The one who decides newcomers is Sakurai.

Also, flavor of the month argument didn't stop him from adding Greninja or Corrin.

 

[FantasticMr.StarPit]

Let's play a game, imagine if Nintendo stopped making Consoles and became a third party developer (Let's hope that doesn't happen). A new Smash game is coming with a version exclusive character on the following systems:

Playstation
Xbox
Steam

Who would the characters be?

Hmm....now that's a good question.

Playstation- Ratchet & Clank
Xbox- Fulgore
Steam- Gordon Freeman.

There. Simple.

 

[Cosmic77]

Maybe it was them being NPCs with one appearence, at least for characters like Midna or Skull Kid. Tingle... well, that should be obvious.

Could be, but even if they have one appearance, I feel like most of the popular Zelda characters are far more recognizable than some of the other one-shots (or former one-shots) we have on the roster. Heck, even some of the recurring playable characters like Shulk and the FE protagonists are arguably less recognizable.

I'm sure there's a reason, but I don't think that's it. I can't see Sakurai being worried about people not knowing who Midna or Skull Kid are just because they weren't playable and only had one appearance.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

The suits? The one who decides newcomers is Sakurai.

Also, flavor of the month argument didn't stop him from adding Greninja or Corrin.

So what on Earth could it be? Is he not that interested with the series (which I doubt to a degree)? Is he not able to come up with any satisfactory movesets for additional Zelda characters yet, when HW shows it is possible? Has he simply not thought about it?

I wonder if anyone ever directly asked him about the topic.

 

[amazonevan19]

What did I miss since last night (PST)? Anything?

I see Lax Chris (or someone claiming to be him) is now here? What fun

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Maybe she can finally get a chance, since the "Triforce" is complete to start with this time.





Edit: For some reason, the post doesn't neatly arrange the icons into a triangle, oh well.

They’re in a triangle, so good enough. Now we gotta start a new triangle with Impa, Skull Kid...and Groose

 

[Luigifan18]

The Big House event starts today right?

Hold on, when is it?

What did I miss since last night (PST)? Anything?

I see Lax Chris (or someone claiming to be him) is now here? What fun

It's going to be a lot of fun when he stumbles upon all the posts bashing him as a naïve [censored]... /s

 

[osby]

Could be, but even if they have one appearance, I feel like most of the popular Zelda characters are far more recognizable than some of the other one-shots (or former one-shots) we have on the roster. Heck, even some of the recurring playable characters like Shulk and the FE protagonists are arguably less recognizable.

I'm sure there's a reason, but I don't think that's it. I can't see Sakurai being worried about people not knowing who Midna or Skull Kid are just because they weren't playable and only had one appearance.

I didn't said anything about recognisability.

So what on Earth could it be? Is he not that interested with the series (which I doubt to a degree)? Is he not able to come up with any satisfactory movesets for additional Zelda characters yet, when HW shows it is possible? Has he simply not thought about it?

I wonder if anyone ever directly asked him about the topic.

Hyrule Warriors and Smash play nothing alike, and even if they did

1. Adding a character is not simply "coming up" with moves
2. Hyrule Warriors is a Legend of Zelda spin-off, it has every reason to add side characters, just like Fire Emblem Warriors did

 

[amazonevan19]

lmao that new leak is so damn fake XD

Though I applaud it being at least somewhat original and predicting Roll and Jibanyan.

 

[JustCallMeJon]

Hold on, when is?

It starts today 12:00 PM EDT

 

[Frostwraith]

People still think that making Smash characters is simply slapping moves and references onto a nice new model of the character when it's been said many times, even by Sakurai himself, that designing a character is a lot more work than that. Can't say I'm surprised, sadly.

 

[Pakky]

The Big House event starts today right?

The what?

 

[DarthEnderX]

People still think that making Smash characters is simply slapping moves and references onto a nice new model of the character when it's been said many times, even by Sakurai himself, that designing a character is a lot more work than that.

Yeah, but it's not like they got anything else to do. It's pretty much their whole job.

Keep that assembly line rolling, Sak! We need to be at 100 by 2020!

 

[JustCallMeJon]

The what?

Big House is a Smash Bros Major held at around October 5th-7th. It is usually one of the biggest Smash tournament alongside EVO, Genesis, Smash Con, and Shine.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Hyrule Warriors and Smash play nothing alike, and even if they did

1. Adding a character is not simply "coming up" with moves
2. Hyrule Warriors is a Legend of Zelda spin-off, it has every reason to add side characters, just like Fire Emblem Warriors did

People still think that making Smash characters is simply slapping moves and references onto a nice new model of the character when it's been said many times, even by Sakurai himself, that designing a character is a lot more work than that. Can't say I'm surprised, sadly.

Okay, so what do you gentlemen think is the reason for Sakurai not putting anyone new from Zelda yet? I'm honestly curious about some second opinions.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Let's play a game, imagine if Nintendo stopped making Consoles and became a third party developer (Let's hope that doesn't happen). A new Smash game is coming with a version exclusive character on the following systems:

Playstation
Xbox
Steam

Who would the characters be?

Kratos. Master Chief. Gordon Freeman.

 

[Mrplutoguy112]

I desperately want a new Zelda character, if only to prove that this stupid "only the Triforce" fan rule is and always was meaningless. I don't know what Sakurai's reasoning was for not including Midna or Tingle sooner, but I doubt it had anything to do with their lack of association with the Triforce.

I can see skull kid taking the spotlight but has for Midna will stay assisted as a trophie. Doesn’t seem like Sakurai wants more Zelda characters considering we have like 5 characters Link, Toon Link, Zelda, Sheik, Young Link, Ganondorf. All ready for enough by putting Skull kid a majority of the group. Not more then that sadly.

 

[Luigifan18]

People still think that making Smash characters is simply slapping moves and references onto a nice new model of the character when it's been said many times, even by Sakurai himself, that designing a character is a lot more work than that. Can't say I'm surprised, sadly.

Well, yeah, there's a lot of programming involved. Programming is pretty complex stuff, even for simple programs, and Smash is a very intricate game. Writing the code to make a character move and act like they should is going to take a while, especially since the code is going to have to be rewritten several times to work out unexpected kinks, snags, and bugs.

 

[Curious Villager]

Hey guys, I'm LaxChris and I run a channel on youtube. I found a pretty interesting leak on 4chan that I for some reason feel could actually happen, it would be mighty cool if you all took a look before my video finishes rendering

Spoiler: Smash Ultimate Leak

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/434035052

Day 1 DLC.... If it where echoes then maybe, (though I'd still hesitate.) But fully unique characters? Nah.
Plus the guy is way to open to talk about his supposed profession that only put things into more question.

Shame though, since I would have liked it to be real. if only that Jibanyan's base inclusion would have helped Layton's chances for DLC due to Level-5's involvement....

 

[Mrplutoguy112]

My bad 6 characters my mistake

 

[Cosmic77]

I didn't said anything about recognisability.

If that wasn't your point, then what were you getting at when you mentioned them being a non-playable character and a one-shot? Dark Samus is an NPC who only made one appearance, yet she still got in Smash. Clones and Echoes might be easier to implement, but I don't see why it wouldn't apply to unique characters too.

 

[amazonevan19]

Okay, so what do you gentlemen think is the reason for Sakurai not putting anyone new from Zelda yet? I'm honestly curious about some second opinions.

Because he's too busy jacking off to Fire Emblem deviantart?

In all seriousness, I think it's because he has trouble visualizing movesets for some of the less prominent Zelda characters, and some like Impa have appearances not very suitable for a fighting game (old grandma Impa/thicc Impa). The obvious answer to me is to just base an Impa moveset mainly off of her OoT incarnation but *shrug* that's just a guess.

He probably also feels that having the big three (Link, Zelda, Ganondorf and Sheik who is really Zelda) is enough to represent the series as a whole as those three are the most enduring characters throughout the whole series. With the exception of Impa, many of the other side characters are relegated to importance only in one or a couple games (a la Skull Kid). Sheik can be seen as an exception because she's only really important in OoT but again, Sheik is really Zelda so...

 

[Luigifan18]

If that wasn't your point, then what were you getting at when you mentioned being a non-playable one-shot? Dark Samus is an NPC who only made one appearance, yet she still got in Smash. Clones and Echoes might be easier to implement, but I don't see why it wouldn't apply to unique characters too.

Um... Dark Samus has actually had two appearances.

 

[osby]

If that wasn't your point, then what were you getting at when you mentioned them being a non-playable character and a one-shot? Dark Samus is an NPC who only made one appearance, yet she still got in Smash. Clones and Echoes might be easier to implement, but I don't see why it wouldn't apply to unique characters too.

Because adding unique characters means commiting a lot more time and resources to them.

 

[Sharkarat]

Um... Dark Samus has actually had two appearances.

two and a half I would say. Tiny cameo and Pre-dark Samus form in the first game.

 

[Untouch]

Do we even know if Nintendo is involved with Big House at all?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I can see skull kid taking the spotlight but has for Midna will stay assisted as a trophie. Doesn’t seem like Sakurai wants more Zelda characters considering we have like 5 characters Link, Toon Link, Zelda, Sheik, Young Link, Ganondorf. All ready for enough by putting Skull kid a majority of the group. Not more then that sadly.

My bad 6 characters my mistake

Not to mention that the only change Zelda's roster has gotten this time (so far) is replacing Zelda with a completely different one that's not related to OOT or TP. Not even an Echo, as that would be easier to program than an unique character.

Granted, there's also the adult Link in here being the BOTW one, but that goes without saying.

Because he's too busy jacking off to Fire Emblem deviantart?

In all seriousness, I think it's because he has trouble visualizing movesets for some of the less prominent Zelda characters, and some like Impa have appearances not very suitable for a fighting game. The obvious answer to me is to just base an Impa moveset mainly off of her OoT incarnation but *shrug* that's just a guess.

He probably also feels that having the big three (Link, Zelda, Ganondorf) is enough to represent the series as a whole as those three are the most enduring characters throughout the whole series. With the exception of Impa, many of the other side characters are relegated to importance only in one or a couple games (a la Skull Kid).

If that is indeed the reason (besides having trouble coming up with movesets, as I said before), then Sakurai is a mountain that won't move, as far as asking for additional Zelda newcomers is concerned. Even Donkey Kong and Metroid have gotten new characters, and they're not nearly as huge as Zelda.

 

[Heracr055]

RE Sora having the "best" odds of getting in the game rn: Disney, by giving approval of Sora, has to essentially write off on every single thing in the game (Bayonetta, violence, characters with guns, waft, and pretty much any other thing that can be deemed offensive). So that's what I think is what will make Sora getting in almost impossible

 

[osby]

only change Zelda's roster has gotten this time (so far) is replacing Zelda with a completely different one

Who's going to give the Link bad news?

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Hey guys, I'm LaxChris and I run a channel on youtube. I found a pretty interesting leak on 4chan that I for some reason feel could actually happen, it would be mighty cool if you all took a look before my video finishes rendering

Spoiler: Smash Ultimate Leak

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/434035052

Honestly I don't see why day 1 or within first week dlc is out of the realm of possibility (why 2 characters idk. Feels like the faker couldn't pick one of the rumored dlc fighters and picked both instead).

What I find hard to believe is that Ken would get a trailer but not Shadow & Roll? Like one of the reasons Ken is speculated to have a trailer is because he's a third party character and it could work with an Incineroar reveal. So I can't see him getting a trailer but not Shadow (Roll eh...), and that trailer isn't even playing off Fire fighters as much as it is cats.... Yea that was just too all over the place to believe.

(Also not a single "leak" has predicted a trailer. We should learn our lesson)

 

[amazonevan19]

Not to mention that the only change Zelda's roster has gotten this time (so far) is replacing Zelda with a completely different one that's not related to OOT or TP. Not even an Echo, as that would be easier to program than an unique character.



If that is indeed the reason (besides having trouble coming up with movesets, as I said before), then Sakurai is a mountain that won't move, as far as asking for additional Zelda newcomers is concerned. Even Donkey Kong and Metroid have gotten new characters, and they're not nearly as huge as Zelda.

Possibly, unless he wants to include a champion from BoTW or something...BoTW was hardcore into development in 2015 after all. If what I said is true though then yeah, I doubt anyone outside Impa really has a chance this cycle.

 

[Aurane]

Yeah but this Zelda is cuter and has more personality so who gives a ****. Sorry, but really. That's a straight up buff in my eyes.

 

[Majora's Visage]

Did I miss anything since yesterday?

 

[92MilesPrower]

Dark Samus is an NPC who only made one appearance

Dark Samus isn't just some one-shot NPC that got into Smash just because they were easy to implement as an echo. They appeared twice as the main antagonist of Metroid Prime 2 and 3, and was originally the titular Metroid Prime, which you fought as the final boss of the first MP. Plus, plenty of fan demand helped.

 

[monadoboy]

Okay, so what do you gentlemen think is the reason for Sakurai not putting anyone new from Zelda yet? I'm honestly curious about some second opinions.

"Representation" in Smash is not only about characters. Zelda has a ton of items, stages, assists, etc. My guess is that whatever choosing process Sakurai and co. use also includes those to balance the game's content.