Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Nekoo]

Geno if he doesn't get in lol.

Then hopefully he gets in because I don't want to see the ****storm happening

Just kidding I really want to see it happens, Neither Sora or Geno.

The real Newcomer hint was the Chocobo Hat in Smash 4 DLC

 

[amazonevan19]

Shadow feels like another Smash 4 Wolf situation now.

The biggest "shoo-in" that never actually gets in.

On the base roster at least.

Sadly every passing day makes me believe Sakurai is going to **** on my hopes yet again and Shadow is cut entirely.

 

[Shroob]

It's a good point, the only thing is that I just can't see us getting this final direct so early. That's literally the only thing making me iffy on believing we could get a full direct.

Also I can't see Sakurai saying what he said recently, and then dropping all of the characters we have left at once. From what it sounds like he's going to slowly drop them instead of doing another large drop ala the August direct. In that sense, doing a simple reveal trailer would make more sense.

I mean if box is correct there's only 2 left



I really don't get this mindset, frankly. October is not 'too soon', it'll be less than 60 days until the game launches.

 

[Thinkaman]

Anybody else just kind of checked out of character speculation at this point? Like I’m more interested in potential assist trophies now.

Speaking of that, anybody have any crazy assist trophy predictions among the likes of shovel knight or Rathalos?

It seems likely that the 8.8 Direct showed all the new stages, items, Pokemon, and assist trophies.

The total numbers line up with what they told us at E3 there would be. If there are further new items/Pokemon/assist trophies, it means very few unseen ones from Smash 4 are returning.

 

[Jdaster64]

Anybody else just kind of checked out of character speculation at this point? Like I’m more interested in potential assist trophies now.

Speaking of that, anybody have any crazy assist trophy predictions among the likes of shovel knight or Rathalos?

I for one would love to see more MOTHER characters repped w/ATs if not playable roles; Giegue, Duster, and Claus / Masked Man AT's'd all be legit exciting.

 

[NintenRob]

Why are you always out to disprove Vergeben? Did he offend you or something?

Yes, he did. Aside from his "tism" comment, leaking in general offends me

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

Shadow feels like another Smash 4 Wolf situation now.

The biggest "shoo-in" that never actually gets in.

On the base roster at least.

That hurt both my past and present self.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

He's more Simon/Mega Man level

Sure, they are all around the 30 to 15 Million mark, but Simon and Mega Man also probably got in due to their Iconic ties to Nintendo...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but pretty sure Dante has more ties to Sony...

Then who's the "K.Rool totally win the ballot guys" characters then?

Isaac...

 

[Gyrom8]

Sadly every passing day makes me believe Sakurai is going to **** on my hopes yet again and Shadow is cut entirely.

I'm slowly coming round to think that's what may be happening with Skull Kid, too. Not the end of the world though: better than being an assist or boss which could be a barrier to being added in as DLC.

 

[Deleted member]

Unpopular opinion, but I dont think we're getting any direct this month; at least none mentioning a new Smash character. I think they may be saving the last direct and last reveals (along with what Spirits mode is) for November. Feel free to quote me on this and call me a secret leaker in disguise when it comes true (I'll be quite happy to be wrong though lol).

 

[ZephyrZ]

Currently clearing Smash 3DS challenge pannels before Ultimate releases.

Clear Classic Mode with all fighters? Kind of fun, but RNG makes it annoying. Clearing 100 Man Smash with all characters? Really repetitive and tedius. And clearing All Star mode with all fighters? Also repetitive and tedius.

But Smash Run though. That is a mode that doesn't get old no matter how much I play it. Beating up random sets of generic mooks and minibosses just never gets old. I really hope that, whatever Spirits mode turns out to be, it takes a page or two from Smash Run. And mix in more enemies to. Where's our lizalfos and space pirates? (No, I'm not referring to KIU space pirates, they've already got enough enemies.)

 

[Shroob]

Unpopular opinion, but I dont think we're getting any direct this month; at least none mentioning a new Smash character. I think they may be saving the last direct and last reveals (along with what Spirits mode is) for November. Feel free to quote me on this and call me a secret leaker in disguise when it comes true (I'll be quite happy to be wrong though lol).

I don't see why they'd **** with the Smash videos playlist if we weren't getting a reveal, frankly.

The only two times in the past this happened was before 8.8, and before September's Direct.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

Currently clearing Smash 3DS challenge pannels before Ultimate releases.

Clear Classic Mode with all fighters? Kind of fun, but RNG makes it annoying. Clearing 100 Man Smash with all characters? Really repetitive and tedius. And clearing All Star mode with all fighters? Also repetitive and tedius.

But Smash Run though. That is a mode that doesn't get old no matter how much I play it. Beating up random sets of generic mooks and minibosses just never gets old. I really hope that, whatever Spirits mode turns out to be, it takes a page or two from Smash Run. And mix in more enemies to. Where's our lizalfos and space pirates? (No, I'm not referring to KIU space pirates, they've already got enough enemies.)

Smash Run just needed less random bull****, I can't count the amount of times I've been dogpiled by strong enemies and then greeted by one of those stupid treasure chest creatures. And the doors having random challenges on top of the random final battles just made it a little too luck-based imo. I agree though that Spirits should get even more enemies (take out some KI enemies because there's way too many of them, bring in more Metroid and some Fire Emblem ones).

 

[Deleted member]

Currently clearing Smash 3DS challenge pannels before Ultimate releases.

Clear Classic Mode with all fighters? Kind of fun, but RNG makes it annoying. Clearing 100 Man Smash with all characters? Really repetitive and tedius. And clearing All Star mode with all fighters? Also repetitive and tedius.

But Smash Run though. That is a mode that doesn't get old no matter how much I play it. Beating up random sets of generic mooks and minibosses just never gets old. I really hope that, whatever Spirits mode turns out to be, it takes a page or two from Smash Run. And mix in more enemies to. Where's our lizalfos and space pirates? (No, I'm not referring to KIU space pirates, they've already got enough enemies.)

Hopefully Spirits is a good enough to follow up. Not being able to have a 3DS and play Smash Run is what makes me cry in the shower.

Sakurai just give us ****ing Air Ride 2 already.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

Yes, he did. Aside from his "tism" comment, leaking in general offends me

Leaking... Offends you? That's... Um, interesting.

 

[SvartWolf]

It seems likely that the 8.8 Direct showed all the new stages, items, Pokemon, and assist trophies.

The total numbers line up with what they told us at E3 there would be. If there are further new items/Pokemon/assist trophies, it means very few unseen ones from Smash 4 are returning.

Coro Coro said anything about the 108 stages stuff? although... As much as i would love extra 5 new stages, those stages could still perfectly be the "boss stages" (Dracula's Throne room, Rathalos stage, and 3 other boss stages) which mean that number could still be correct withouth adding new stages.

While we probably will still have some returning assist trophies, I'm at least am banking for a new Steert fighter assist. seems very easy to implement and at the same time very fan pleasing.

 

[Potato_]

I mean if box is correct there's only 2 left



I really don't get this mindset, frankly. October is not 'too soon', it'll be less than 60 days until the game launches.

Personally I was expecting the direct last week of October/first week Novemeber. Writing it out now it isn't too different, but something about next week just feels weird to me. Granted I could be totally wrong, wouldn't be surprised at this point.

I mean I'm not on board with box theory, like you said it seems around 4 max makes sense at this point, but for argument's sake let's assume it's legit.

Sakurai drops the Incineroar trailer next week with a Ken echo announcement as well, tells us that's all the characters, but then tells us to stay tuned for a special Smash direct later this month detailing more information about the game, with a tease at DLC characters. This direct would talk about Spirits, Online content, special modes, and would show us maybe our first dlc character or two with release dates set into the next year at various times. Maybe even do it as a season's pass.

Seems asinine yes that he would separate the Kencineroar reveals from the direct, but it's the only way I can see Sakurai's comment making sense.

also it's nintendo they do asinine stuff all the time

 

[amazonevan19]

Yes, he did. Aside from his "tism" comment, leaking in general offends me

Kamek dude whatever his face is alt confirmed? kidding

If leaking offends you, why are you in this thread, which has a very clear warning of possible spoilers/leaks? Unless you're referring to the concept of leaking in general in which case...my prior question is still relevant lol

 

[Deleted member]

If we were to get a Minecraft stage in Ultimate, I feel like it would be kind of identical to the Fire Emblem stage.
This stage.

It would be day, and then it would shift from night and Zombies or Creepers or any other hostile mob will attack. We could see us in the Nether, End or even in the Woodland Mansion.

The End City, Nether Fortress and especially the Woodland Mansion would all be great places to fight in.

Spoiler: End City

https://www.digminecraft.com/getting_started/images/end_city.png

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...thShip2.png/revision/latest?cb=20160516234238

Spoiler: Nether Fortress

https://www.digminecraft.com/getting_started/images/nether_fortress.png



https://nik.bot.nu/o826546.jpg

Spoiler: Woodland Mansion

https://res.cloudinary.com/lmn/imag...q_auto/v1/gameskinnyc/m/a/n/mansion-6c5d8.png

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f55e20986db8d044964338c79c4f4e0c

 

[RandomAce]

Did the Music update go up recently?

 

[AugustusB]

I really hope it's a simple reveal coming up. And I hope it shows Incineroar fighting Ryu and Ken joins in to help. So everyone can go welp there is our expected characters.
AND before the end of the video, we see a date for November 'Join us for the Final Smash Direct!' just so I can see this community turn on its head.

When I first decided to join I was hype and ready for some wonderful speculation.
However, shortly after that, the Box was shown and it really sucked. Now we have the Card Theory to help out The Box. It's draining at times but I think at this point, we get it. Have expectations at an all time low, because we don't want to see disappointed members and yada yada yada.

This is why I hope for a reveal and not a direct, because the mayhem would be nice to see and maybe some people can speculate and have their expectations in peace.

I like this community, but man...it's draining.

 

[amazonevan19]

The only things keeping me afloat atm is DLC potential and the fact that vergeben doesn't know everything

Seriously more shook than I've ever been for my three main boys' chances though.

 

[blackghost]

Of Book II and is currently dying because she offered herself up to an Ice Dragon to kill the Fire King. If she disappears between Books II and III, she died offscreen. If Book III involves finding a cure for Fjorm's curse, good for IS for not dropping all of the Book II characters except for maybe Loki.

People would still dismiss her for being a Fire Emblem character. Doesn't matter what unique moveset she brings.

i'll bet on her having a unique weapon, good design, and waifu status to grow on people. because the three houses character wont likely be as unique as she would be.

i wasnt a fan of FE until i played heroes. honestly FE is in a weird spot in smash. people begged for chrome and roy and then said there was an oversaturation. additionally playing heres i learned about SO MANY characters in the series. the main lords are honestrly the dullest part of the series which is stark contrast to most of the other nintendo franchises. even though FE is heavily represented as characters its representation as a series is awfully lacking. imagine if all of pokemon characters were pikachu clones, with ikachu Pichu Plusle Minun Pachirisu Emolga Dedenne and Togedemaru would that properly represent pokemon as a whole? no way. thats where fe is to me in smash. i wish they had fixed that particular issue but everyone is here for better or worse.

 

[Potato_]

I'm slowly coming round to think that's what may be happening with Skull Kid, too. Not the end of the world though: better than being an assist or boss which could be a barrier to being added in as DLC.

I honestly prefer it this way. Like you said, there's no argument that he can't be included as DLC should another ballot like scenario occur.

 

[Shroob]

Personally I was expecting the direct last week of October/first week Novemeber. Writing it out now it isn't too different, but something about next week just feels weird to me. Granted I could be totally wrong, wouldn't be surprised at this point.

I mean I'm not on board with box theory, like you said it seems around 4 max makes sense at this point, but for argument's sake let's assume it's legit.

Sakurai drops the Incineroar trailer next week with a Ken echo announcement as well, tells us that's all the characters, but then tells us to stay tuned for a special Smash direct later this month detailing more information about the game, with a tease at DLC characters. This direct would talk about Spirits, Online content, special modes, and would show us maybe our first dlc character or two with release dates set into the next year at various times. Maybe even do it as a season's pass.

Seems asinine yes that he would separate the Kencineroar reveals from the direct, but it's the only way I can see Sakurai's comment making sense.

also it's nintendo they do asinine stuff all the time

I just don't feel like there's enough characters left to justify a Robin/Lucina style reveal, frankly.


With Smash 4, you had Shulk, Duck Hunt, Bowser Jr. along with all the secret clones and veterans.


But we're going to know every character before launch this time, and we've been told thrice now to not expect a lot more.


I just don't see a world where we get a Robin/Lucina reveal with a single newcomer, leaving only 1 newcomer for the Smash Direct, or 1 Echo, leaving only 1 Echo for the Smash Direct.



It feels like if there's going to be a reveal, it 'should' more or less wrap everything up in regards to the base roster.

 

[amazonevan19]

I really hope it's a simple reveal coming up. And I hope it shows Incineroar fighting Ryu and Ken joins in to help. So everyone can go welp there is our expected characters.
AND before the end of the video, we see a date for November 'Join us for the Final Smash Direct!' just so I can see this community turn on its head.

When I first decided to join I was hype and ready for some wonderful speculation.
However, shortly after that, the Box was shown and it really sucked. Now we have the Card Theory to help out The Box. It's draining at times but I think at this point, we get it. Have expectations at an all time low, because we don't want to see disappointed members and yada yada yada.

This is why I hope for a reveal and not a direct, because the mayhem would be nice to see and maybe some people can speculate and have their expectations in peace.

I like this community, but man...it's draining.

Wholly agree. All I want to know is if I can pack it up and go home hoping for my most fervently desired characters for base and pray for DLC.

My heart can't take much more of this. Every new reputable leak and theory weakens my hope for Shadow and it's saddening

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Yes, he did. Aside from his "tism" comment, leaking in general offends me

Imo, you shouldn't be offended by his "tism" comment unless you or someone very close to you are actually on the spectrum, like me (I'm used to that term as an insult on the internet, so I embrace it)...
Yeah, leaking is not really the best thing in the world, but it's bound to happen.
Also, pretty sure you're just mad because he didn't say your most wanted characters yet, and instead mentions unwanted characters like Incineroar and possibly Steve... Trust me, I'm still kinda upset that a RH rep seems unlikely at this point...
I have every right to be mad at him, and am I? No, I am Not.
Besides If you don't like leak discussions, what are you doing in this thread?

Did the Music update go up recently?

It usually doesn't go up until 9 PM EST

 

[NintenRob]

Kamek dude whatever his face is alt confirmed? kidding

If leaking offends you, why are you in this thread, which has a very clear warning of possible spoilers/leaks? Unless you're referring to the concept of leaking in general in which case...my prior question is still relevant lol

Well A) I didn't realise the leak thread was closed, thought it was banned here now
B) figured it was slow enough to actually talk about stuff now without getting overwhelmed
C) good chance I'm gonna find out about it anyway, here I can at least hopefully see them proven fake or at least discredited

 

[Dcas]

Unpopular opinion, but I dont think we're getting any direct this month; at least none mentioning a new Smash character. I think they may be saving the last direct and last reveals (along with what Spirits mode is) for November. Feel free to quote me on this and call me a secret leaker in disguise when it comes true (I'll be quite happy to be wrong though lol).

Im with you, i think we are only getting one direct in november announcing spirits, online and 2-4 characters.

The waiting time with all this speculation, baseless argumentation is going to be excruciating to say the least.

 

[Thinkaman]

In June, I anticipated 2 more directs, nice neat thirds--early June -> early August -> early October -> early December (release)

With the August Direct, this seemed more likely, but still up in the air. It also codified the nature of the thirds: Returning Changes -> New Content -> Single Player & Online

With the September (general) Direct, October still seemed likely, but pushing it back to late October or even November also felt plausible. The 50-fact extravaganza was 1 month before WiiU, though that was a little different of a presentation.

I'm still expecting late October.

If we do get a "Robin/Shulk style" reveal with no presentation ASAP, then early November for the actual Direct seems far more likely.

 

[Deleted member]

Let's play a little game: assume most(as in, all that can be KOed) Assist Trophies can be selected and summoned as traditional Supports. All of them are rebalanced for this purpose much like Meter FSs(we don't want Lyn to go around OHKOing people) and they only perform one move before disappearing.
What attacks would those with multiple ones use and which Assists would be the most "viable" supports?

 

[Noipoi]

I can't rest until Incineroar and Geno are confirmed (though Geno might be dlc), but besides those two i'm way more invested in the blurred out mode.
My brain tells me to not expect another subspace, but my heart wants it so bad.

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

Shadow feels like another Smash 4 Wolf situation now.

The biggest "shoo-in" that never actually gets in.

On the base roster at least.

Ugh it was a shame that he missed the last game, losing a main/secondary is much worse than not having my most wanted at least for me. Thankfully he's back in Ultimate.

While I don't support Shadow(I would prefer Metal Sonic much more) but he would be neat choice for Sonic's echo.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Unpopular opinion, but I dont think we're getting any direct this month; at least none mentioning a new Smash character. I think they may be saving the last direct and last reveals (along with what Spirits mode is) for November. Feel free to quote me on this and call me a secret leaker in disguise when it comes true (I'll be quite happy to be wrong though lol).

Ummm... So why the random video added to the character playlist? It seems kinda redundant to add it so soon in that regard...

Let's play a little game: assume most(as in, all that can be KOed) Assist Trophies can be selected and summoned as traditional Supports. All of them are rebalanced for this purpose much like Meter FSs(we don't want Lyn to go around OHKOing people) and they only perform one move before disappearing.
What attacks would those with multiple ones use and which Assists would be the most "viable" supports?

Waluigi probably, His stomping is hard to get out of...

 

[NintenRob]

Imo, you shouldn't be offended by his "tism" comment unless you or someone very close to you are actually on the spectrum, like me (I'm used to that term as an insult on the internet, so I embrace it)...
Yeah, leaking is not really the best thing in the world, but it's bound to happen.
Also, pretty sure you're just mad because he didn't say your most wanted characters yet, and instead mentions unwanted characters like Incineroar and possibly Steve... Trust me, I'm still kinda upset that a RH rep seems unlikely at this point...
I have every right to be mad at him, and am I? No, I am Not.
Besides If you don't like leak discussions, what are you doing in this thread?

I am on the spectrum. Asperges

Regarding the smaller part, all leaks such, especially ones of characters you like. All it does is ruin the surprise. I'm actually somewhat thankful LOZ18 was outed as a fraud, now if Skull Kid gets in, I get a much bigger surprise.

There's no upside to leaking the game

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Anyway I saw the geno think and ask the thread they said

It means nothing

It’s more.y just a geno speculated so much it’s just a “yea yea yea like we haven’t heard that a million times.” Type of thing

And over all in the comments verge still doesn’t know who it is. And it’s only his opinion not a fact

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Sure, they are all around the 30 to 15 Million mark, but Simon and Mega Man also probably got in due to their Iconic ties to Nintendo...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but pretty sure Dante has more ties to Sony...

Cloud has the same exact ties to Sony and no real ties to Nintendo. No, a ton of cameos is not "ties". Games he's not in? Those are not ties. His series being starting on Nintendo? Not a legitimate tie. Cloud is FFVII, not FF in general. His own costumes reference literal FFVII-specific spin-offs. He's fully represented by using non-Nintendo appearances because they fit him better. He's literally based upon Dissidia for part of his design.

Again, there is zero reason to believe that they starting on Nintendo magically made them more likely. Want to know what got MegaMan in? Being a highly popular gaming icon. There is no reason given for Simon's inclusion at this time. What Sakurai has said is that Richter is more popular in Japan. Where is this unfounded theory coming from? It's an unlikely scenario that is very hard to back up. I know people want to believe that having Nintendo ties is somehow actually getting 3rd parties in(Bayonetta is the only actual case here at best, and we don't know exactly why she got in either. Just that it likely wasn't the ballot), but it's a load of crap and entirely unfounded. 3rd parties are gaming history characters, not glorified Nintendo characters. They're guests in the first place in a Nintendo game. Guests just means that, characters who aren't Nintendo are finding their way in because of how awesome the character themselves are. Which is really the key thing that matters, the character. We've literally had one third party who relates specifically to Nintendo history(Bayonetta) and it's iffy if that's why she got in. The rest got in for popularity or gaming history as a whole. If you want to look at Snake and Sonic, our first two, they were literally asked to be in Melee. This was before Sonic had a single game on Nintendo. He has no Nintendo history. He was explicitly denied because of development time. Sakurai quite immediately asked for him to be in Brawl, and Sega were convinced to say yes because of how popular the character was. That's right, Sega asked for their mascot with zero Nintendo ties to be in Melee, and Sakurai didn't care at all about the Nintendo factor. He cared about the fact he had no time to put him in, and unlike Melee, he delayed Brawl just to do so(of course, he also had Sonic in the base gameplan due to being a huge gaming icon, so...).

 

[Shroob]

I am on the spectrum. Asperges

Regarding the smaller part, all leaks such, especially ones of characters you like. All it does is ruin the surprise. I'm actually somewhat thankful LOZ18 was outed as a fraud, now if Skull Kid gets in, I get a much bigger surprise.

There's no upside to leaking the game

Sure there is, but you're not going to like my answer.


Knowing the full roster kills all the fan-made theories.

 

[AugustusB]

Wholly agree. All I want to know is if I can pack it up and go home hoping for my most fervently desired characters for base and pray for DLC.

My heart can't take much more of this. Every new reputable leak and theory weakens my hope for Shadow and it's saddening

Same here. DLC is certainly going to be a thing and will last. But I understand the appeal of your character getting in base means so much more. (Still holding hope for Geno, Banjo and Skull Kid making base).

Let's hope for a monkey wrench being tossed next week!

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I am on the spectrum. Asperges

Regarding the smaller part, all leaks such, especially ones of characters you like. All it does is ruin the surprise. I'm actually somewhat thankful LOZ18 was outed as a fraud, now if Skull Kid gets in, I get a much bigger surprise.

There's no upside to leaking the game

Oh, okay my apologies, on the first part... as an Aspie myself, I'm sorry... (I kinda just assumed)

As for the no upsides to leaking part... it can help hamper expectations... Imagine if Incineroar wasn't leaked... people would be more mad than they are now...