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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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Wow, lot of funky misinformation here about this card.

First off, "box theory" was/is not about the number of "empty spots", it was about the order of the characters and what that accidentally revealed about the other side of the box. This card has nothing to do with that, and nothing to do with the box at all except a similar number of "empty slots" by simple virtue of the numbers 72 and 72 being equal.

Second, this is a "pre-order card", an incredibly unimportant piece of paper that some marketing guy slapped together in a day at the request of retailers, so they could hand out something to kids. "Why didn't they just wait for 2 more character reveals?!?" What? Because it's for pre-orders, the retailers wanted it yesterday, how is this a question? It's like asking why they don't wait to put the DLC characters on the game's box, jeez.

People keep saying "well the box was just a render that could change, BUT THIS IS A PRINTED PIECE OF PAPER!"

Yes. And one of these is the centerpiece of the game's permanent physical retail presence, and the other is literally a temporary placeholder by definition.

"I don't get it, why are you arguing, these two things agree with each other? They both suggest 2 empty slo--"

First, stop it with the slots, and re-read what I said above. Second, my irritation in all of this off-the-rails-hype train has never been "people are wrong about which characters might get into Smash." I'm too old for that game. And in my oldness, my irritation is "We live in a society where it is increasingly important that people process information and news in a logical, dispassionate way, in which precedents and sources of various quality levels are considered appropriately."

I'm bothered because if circumstances were different and this dinky card didn't match "the box" in some way, there's a 100% chance we'd be having a big, dumb argument that would be really stupid. I don't care that we dodged this argument, I want to prevent many future arguments. I want Sakurai to be able to say "Now we have 103 stages" or "We only have a few more fighters left" and people actually believe that over text posts on 4chan.

Ties to Nintendo don't mean crap.
You... are aware that we are talking about Super Smash Bros, and what the game Super Smash Bros is, right?
 

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(a) holy **** Nintendo is actually supporting the competitive scene for once
(b) does this mean we'll have most, if not all, info out before November??
Most likely.

I predict we will have our final direct later this month.

Late nov we will have dlc announcement of geno and skull kid free for switch online users. And we get a tease of the next 5 dlc. U need a season pass to get them. Dlc is out every month from feb to june. Then aug to dec. Total 10 a year.


These are my predictions lol
 

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Wow, lot of funky misinformation here about this card.

First off, "box theory" was/is not about the number of "empty spots", it was about the order of the characters and what that accidentally revealed about the other side of the box. This card has nothing to do with that, and nothing to do with the box at all except a similar number of "empty slots" by simple virtue of the numbers 72 and 72 being equal.

Second, this is a "pre-order card", an incredibly unimportant piece of paper that some marketing guy slapped together in a day at the request of retailers, so they could hand out something to kids. "Why didn't they just wait for 2 more character reveals?!?" What? Because it's for pre-orders, the retailers wanted it yesterday, how is this a question? It's like asking why they don't wait to put the DLC characters on the game's box, jeez.

People keep saying "well the box was just a render that could change, BUT THIS IS A PRINTED PIECE OF PAPER!"

Yes. And one of these is the centerpiece of the game's permanent physical retail presence, and the other is literally a temporary placeholder by definition.

"I don't get it, why are you arguing, these two things agree with each other? They both suggest 2 empty slo--"

First, stop it with the slots, and re-read what I said above. Second, my irritation in all of this off-the-rails-hype train has never been "people are wrong about which characters might get into Smash." I'm too old for that game. And in my oldness, my irritation is "We live in a society where it is increasingly important that people process information and news in a logical, dispassionate way, in which precedents and sources of various quality levels are considered appropriately."

I'm bothered because if circumstances were different and this dinky card didn't match "the box" in some way, there's a 100% chance we'd be having a big, dumb argument that would be really stupid. I don't care that we dodged this argument, I want to prevent many future arguments. I want Sakurai to be able to say "Now we have 103 stages" or "We only have a few more fighters left" and people actually believe that over text posts on 4chan.



You... are aware that we are talking about Super Smash Bros, and what the game Super Smash Bros is, right?
Cloud.
 
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Just go back one month until you reach the beginning of Brawl's development
But she has to wait a month for her powers to recharge.

"The weapon that looks like Homura's shield is actually a sand timer. When the flow of the sand is blocked, time is stopped. And when there is no sand on the upper part of the sand timer and then the timer is reverted, one month's worth of time is turned back. But before that stage is reached, only time stopping is possible."
 
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Oh my... Another Comment from Vergeben about the Square-Enix Rep aaaand...Geno.

He was asked about NGametheCube "leak" about Geno being the Free DLC and here's his answer.


Source: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77060095?jumpto=136#136


Very interesting... So Geno seems to be so expected that Square- might not care/ take seriously people talking about him whenever he's on the list of Characters or not compared to the others name on the list
Geno's pretty much deconfirmed right there if Verge is true
 

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Ladies and Gentlemen...

Here we go.

Now this is genuinely surprising. I didn't expect Nintendo to partner with ELEAGUE, a well-known eSports league on something Smash related.

However, the wording of the commercial, specifically: "the television premiere of the Super Smash Bros Invitational 2018", makes it seem like it may just be the E3 invitational televised for the first time. If that's the case, then that's pretty cool. If it's new content, that's would be AMAZING!

On discussions on whether X or Y additional characters would leave people satisfied with the final roster...

...why is this even a question? After 68 characters and 6 echoes including literally everyone you ever cared about from a previous game there shouldnt be a negative option.

Box theory, blog theory, whichever personal philosophy you adhere to shouldn't really change the fact that whoever we get is just extras to the finest roster in videogame history.
I think that this mindset originated from the August direct. After E3, many people were assuming we would get very few newcomers period. However, after revealing 5 characters in a single direct, more people were inclined to believe that Sakurai was trying to lower our expectations and in reality, there were many more characters left to be revealed.

Whether or not any of these theories are true remains to be seen, but we'll find out soon enough.
 
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But she has to wait a month for her powers to recharge.

"The weapon that looks like Homura's shield is actually a sand timer. When the flow of the sand is blocked, time is stopped. And when there is no sand on the upper part of the sand timer and then the timer is reverted, one month's worth of time is turned back. But before that stage is reached, only time stopping is possible."
I watched Madoka I'm just shishposting
 

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I think Cloud is an exception because FF still has some huge ties to Nintendo (Even if Cloud is more known for Playstation) and is one of the biggest gaming franchises in the world

There is still hope for some sort of 4th Kid Icarus character for Smash Ultimate
https://www.inverse.com/article/49474-smash-ultimate-leaks-roster-new-character-medusa
That is literally a theory article...
I wouldn't put any trust in that...
Though Medusa would still be cool...
 
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Geno's pretty much deconfirmed right there if Verge is true
Not particularly, if they're funneling false info to people they may not care too much if Geno "leaks" compared to others because the name pops up so many times anyways, it would be like Inklings leaking.
 
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Well, hope that tournament has new content. Kinda sick of seeing the same demo over and over again.
 

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Favorite stage per franchise?

:ultmario: Mushroom Kingdom U
:ultlink: Temple
:ultdk: Kongo Falls as long as the DK Rap is muted
:ultkirby: Halberd/GB Dreamland
:ultlucario: Saffron City/Pokemon Stadium 1/Kalos Pokémon League
:ultpit: Skyworld
:ultfox: Lylat Cruise
:ultfalcon: Mute City Melee/Big Blue
:ultvillager: Smashville
:ultness: Onett
:ultsamus: Frigate Orpheon
:ultmarth: Castle Siege/Coliseum
:ultpacman: Pac Land
:ultolimar: Garden of Hope
:ultsonic: None of them
:ultwario: Gamer
:ultyoshi: Yoshi's Island Brawl
:ultgnw: Flat Zone X
:ulticeclimbers: The Summit
:ultmiifighters: Find Mii
 

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>Claims "Heroes vs. Villains" is an actual thing
>Link to the supposed rumor are just the costumes renders and makes no mention of Medusa at all
>"Main villain of Kid Icarus: Uprising"
Please tell me this is satire.
There’s another rumor Link they posted, don’t know why the first link they have involves renders...and no satire needed when a 4th Kid Icarus character is needed

As for the Heroes/Villians part...people still support that idea due to the hidden mode and :ultridley::ultdarksamus::ultkrool: joining :ultbowser::ultganondorf::ultwolf::ultbowserjr:...:ultvillager:, so not surprised at it being claimed to be a thing
This article literally says nothing.

It admits that Medusa isn't in a single "leak."

It calls Medusa "the main villain" of Uprising, incorrectly.

It cites a GameFAQs post.
It also cited a YouTuber in the article that uses only Twitter as a source
 

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I know I'm in the minority here, but I'm preparing for a Smash Direct next week.


Yeah, it 'could' be a Robin/Lucina reveal, but I'm just really doubtful there is going to be one of those.


At this point, to me, it's Direct or bust.
 

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Wow, lot of funky misinformation here about this card.

First off, "box theory" was/is not about the number of "empty spots", it was about the order of the characters and what that accidentally revealed about the other side of the box. This card has nothing to do with that, and nothing to do with the box at all except a similar number of "empty slots" by simple virtue of the numbers 72 and 72 being equal.

Second, this is a "pre-order card", an incredibly unimportant piece of paper that some marketing guy slapped together in a day at the request of retailers, so they could hand out something to kids. "Why didn't they just wait for 2 more character reveals?!?" What? Because it's for pre-orders, the retailers wanted it yesterday, how is this a question? It's like asking why they don't wait to put the DLC characters on the game's box, jeez.

People keep saying "well the box was just a render that could change, BUT THIS IS A PRINTED PIECE OF PAPER!"

Yes. And one of these is the centerpiece of the game's permanent physical retail presence, and the other is literally a temporary placeholder by definition.

"I don't get it, why are you arguing, these two things agree with each other? They both suggest 2 empty slo--"

First, stop it with the slots, and re-read what I said above. Second, my irritation in all of this off-the-rails-hype train has never been "people are wrong about which characters might get into Smash." I'm too old for that game. And in my oldness, my irritation is "We live in a society where it is increasingly important that people process information and news in a logical, dispassionate way, in which precedents and sources of various quality levels are considered appropriately."

I'm bothered because if circumstances were different and this dinky card didn't match "the box" in some way, there's a 100% chance we'd be having a big, dumb argument that would be really stupid. I don't care that we dodged this argument, I want to prevent many future arguments. I want Sakurai to be able to say "Now we have 103 stages" or "We only have a few more fighters left" and people actually believe that over text posts on 4chan.



You... are aware that we are talking about Super Smash Bros, and what the game Super Smash Bros is, right?
Thank you. Well said and I couldn’t agree more.
 

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Not particularly, if they're funneling false info to people they may not care too much if Geno "leaks" compared to others because the name pops up so many times anyways, it would be like Inklings leaking.
True, there's two ways to read Verge's statement

Hope springs eternal
 

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I will say that I want Isaac or a RH rep primarily because Splatoon is literally the only 1st party franchises in Ultimate. We know ARMS exists now, but it's probably too early for that before DLC. Golden Sun and Rhythm Heaven are the next plausible choices for a newcomer hailing from an unrepresented Nintendo franchise.

Yes, I think Kirby and Zelda deserve BWD Skull Kid/Impa respectively, or Mother, Warioware, or Kid Icarus deserve more representation too. But these 2 franchises seriously deserve at least 1 character placed in Nintendo's history. They are also by far the biggest ones not yet included.

So my order of preference goes:

1. New 1st party inclusions:
- Isaac/Felix
- Karate Joe/Chorus Kids/etc.

2. New 1st party characters
- Zelda: Skull Kid/Impa
- Kirby: BWD/Marx/Magalor
- Mother: Masked Man (Claus)/Porky
- Kid Icarus: Hades/Medusa
- Fire Emblem (Don't kill me): Ephraim/Hector/Celica
- Yoshi: Kamek
- Warioware: Kat/Ana (Echoes of each other; since Ashley can't work)
- Pokemon: Incineroar

3. New 3rd party reps
- Street Fighter: Ken
- SMRPG: Geno
- BK: Banjo and Kazooie
- DMC: Dante
- MH: Monster Hunter/Palico
- Rayman: Rayman

so on and so forth.

So personally, if we only get a few more characters in the base roster, the DLC does not only focus on promotional/3rd party reps. As you can see, there are a decent chunk of characters that are not yet represented (by franchise or even in their franchise) that are first party. I do hope that we can get a few of those outside of many of the obvious 3rd party reps.
 

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Ahahahaahhaahahah rip Geno
Geno's pretty much deconfirmed right there if Verge is true
Now now, let's not get hasty now shall we?
Geno is still possible like
Not particularly, if they're funneling false info to people they may not care too much if Geno "leaks" compared to others because the name pops up so many times anyways, it would be like Inklings leaking.
Said.
HOWEVER.
This raise the question of why the **** would you do that? If I give you a list of characters with:
Neku
Geno
Erdrick
Noctis

For Smash bros, what's even the point? That's like putting a list with 5 Pokémon, and Pikachu in the middle and say "Well, guess who's in Smash?" I don't know if you get what I mean?

There also the fact that Vergeben say this so casually that, it makes me sliiightly anxious... Like, he usually do not comment about Any characters, as rumored/Expected as they are except if he's sure they're not in/they're in.
And the fact that, as "Expected" Geno is he still can't say it's a name in his list is suspicious.
 

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I think Cloud is an exception because FF still has some huge ties to Nintendo (Even if Cloud is more known for Playstation) and is one of the biggest gaming franchises in the world
He's not an exception at all. He's a gaming icon. Something that Sakurai wants in many 3rd parties.

He was never opening any floodgates or anything like that. He's just a normal addition to the roster based upon Sakurai's actual criteria. People put more stock into what it actually meant. He wanted the big gun of a huge gaming franchise(FF starting on Nintendo is extremely irrelevant as is. As long as it was a huge franchise, it'd merit looking for a character). That's pretty much all there is to the choice.
 

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Oh my... Another Comment from Vergeben about the Square-Enix Rep aaaand...Geno.

He was asked about NGametheCube "leak" about Geno being the Free DLC and here's his answer.


Source: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77060095?jumpto=136#136


Very interesting... So Geno seems to be so expected that Square- might not care/ take seriously people talking about him whenever he's on the list of Characters or not compared to the others name on the list
rip Geno

So it's Lara or Sora as the frontrunners now.
 

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I'm feelin' some :ultwario:, :ultfox: or :ultsonic: tonight. If :ultwario:, I hope it's either Rice Beach remix or Greenhorn Forest, Star Wolf remix for :ultfox: or :ultsonic: having Fist Bump or Infinite's remix.

I don't have any reason to be feelin' these 3 games, I just hope to hear some of their remixes.
 

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Didn't Vergeben before said that Square and Nintendo were funneling fake info together to trick people? This could easily just be another trick, since we still don't know who this rep is.

I don't think Sakurai would revise history at this point. And I don't see November being prime time for a Direct, because they need that month for general commercial promotion and shipment processing. Not to mention there's has not been a game that had a dedicated Direct 2-3 weeks before launch.

If anything, that playlist update should lean towards us getting another blowout this month.
 
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Most likely.

I predict we will have our final direct later this month.

Late nov we will have dlc announcement of geno and skull kid free for switch online users. And we get a tease of the next 5 dlc. U need a season pass to get them. Dlc is out every month from feb to june. Then aug to dec. Total 10 a year.


These are my predictions lol
As much as i want DLC, and i think that DLC could greatly help boost "nintendo online" popularity thinking 10 characters in a year is very unreasonable...even if we are thinking padding that number with echoes. I expect 3 uniques when im feeling super positive DX
 

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I mean, if you're going to include Kingdom Hearts as part of Cloud's Nintendo ties, it's only fair to include Project X Zone for Dante, just saying.
 

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I know I'm in the minority here, but I'm preparing for a Smash Direct next week.


Yeah, it 'could' be a Robin/Lucina reveal, but I'm just really doubtful there is going to be one of those.


At this point, to me, it's Direct or bust.
I think this is much too optimistic but I can only hope you're right. Updating the YouTube playlist with apparently one video really lends itself to Robin/Lucina like reveal but you never know!
 

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Favorite stage per franchise?

:ultsonic: None of them
Well that's rude xP

Out of the 2 Sonic stages. I do kinda like Windy Hill a good amount. Green Hill was fine... but obviously being a walk-off stage isn't exactly optimal. I like the size and variance of Windy Hill though. It's perfect to me for an 8-player smash since it's not too big where you kind of need a big screen TV to even know where you're at like Great Cave Offensive or Palutena's Temple. But not too small where everybody's going to have their space to move. I was actually kind of glad it returned as a result.
 

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Well, "rip Geno"... unless you read Verg's statement and the surrounding posts in context, and it's merely Verg stating why he doesn't believe people already leaking Geno would likely result in firings.
 
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Favorite stage per franchise?

:ultmario: Mushroom Kingdom U
:ultlink: Temple
:ultdk: Kongo Falls as long as the DK Rap is muted
:ultkirby: Halberd/GB Dreamland
:ultlucario: Saffron City/Pokemon Stadium 1/Kalos Pokémon League
:ultpit: Skyworld
:ultfox: Lylat Cruise
:ultfalcon: Mute City Melee/Big Blue
:ultvillager: Smashville
:ultness: Onett
:ultsamus: Frigate Orpheon
:ultmarth: Castle Siege/Coliseum
:ultpacman: Pac Land
:ultolimar: Garden of Hope
:ultsonic: None of them
:ultwario: Gamer
:ultyoshi: Yoshi's Island Brawl
:ultgnw: Flat Zone X
:ulticeclimbers: The Summit
:ultmiifighters: Find Mii
I'm only gonna go by which franchises have multiple stages IN ULTIMATE and not altogether...

And no, the Miis don't count for Find Mii and Tomadachi Life...

:ultmario: Luigi's Mansion
:ultdk: Kongo Jungle
:ultlink: Great Bay
:ultsamus: Frigate Orpheon
:ultyoshi: Yoshi's Island Brawl
:ultkirby: Halberd
:ultfox: Lylat Cruise
:ultpikachu: Saffron City
:ultness: Magicant
:ultfalcon: Port Town Aero Drive
:ultmarth: Arena Ferox
:ultpit: Reset Bomb Forest
:ultwario: WarioWare, Inc.
:ultsonic: Green Hill Zone
:ultolimar: Garden of Hope
:ultvillager: Tortimer Island
 

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[insert picture of project x zone 2]

And there goes his entire argument with the wind. Have fun with Bayonetta's older brother.
 
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Yeah, you could take that to mean "welp, Geno is speculated so much, we don't care if his name leaks lol."

plus could just be his own speculation, which is most-likely as he'd probably not know himself.
 
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[insert picture of project x zone 2]

And there goes his entire argument with the wind.
If you think that refutes his entire argument, I'm gonna say 50 titles vs 1still aint gonna cut it, chief.
 
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