Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Michael the Spikester]

There is still hope for some sort of 4th Kid Icarus character for Smash Ultimate
https://www.inverse.com/article/49474-smash-ultimate-leaks-roster-new-character-medusa

*Begins hyperventilating*

PLEASE BE TRUE! PLEASE BE TRUE! PLEASE BE TRUE! *Keeps repeating*

 

[ShadowYoshi04]

Since this is kinda the general chat...did anyone see the tech support posts?

 

[Deoxys911]

Depends; if his argument is that they need a Nintendo appearance? Then yeah, it does.

If it's a bad argument that Cloud magically got in because the Final Fantasy series started on Nintendo? Then yeah, it does. It was never a good one and had no bearing on choosing the character. FF is a juggernaut series in gaming. That's all that mattered when choosing an option. If Sakurai remotely cared about the Nintendo factor(which he didn't), he'd choose someone actually with ties to Nintendo. Instead he said to forget console wars and went with the character that mattered.

Cloud did not get in at all because of some Nintendo appearances. He got in because he's the most iconic rpg protagonist in gaming and that FF as a juggernaut series was going to be represented. None of it was a Nintendo-related choice. It's almost like Sakurai doesn't give a rat's *** if the 3rd party series has ties with Nintendo or not in itself. There's always actual things worth caring about. Like the character being highly requested(which is what Geno has going for him. If it weren't for the high requests? He wouldn't be even a costume).

This stigma that Nintendo relevance somehow matters for 3rd parties really needs to stop. It's just a bad fan perception. Smash does celebrate Nintendo gaming too, of course. But it also celebrates gaming as a whole, as its own separate way of doing it. Literally the only 3rd party to get in that has any legitimate ties with Nintendo is Bayonetta, who isn't even a gaming icon(at least she wasn't when she got in. She's actually really close to becoming a low level one). But many of them were still popular picks to begin with, regardless of Nintendo history. For that matter, Sakurai's statement was "they must have gaming history". His other statement "them appearing on a Nintendo console could be considered something of a courtesy". That doesn't spell requirement. That spells the idea it could be remotely useful. And since licensing was always the issue with every 3rd party in existence, a character with a previous Nintendo appearance has a fair chance of being easier to license again since the companies worked together before. That's literally all it ever meant at any point. He has not at any time acted like Nintendo appearances really mattered at any point anyway. On the other hand, he's made it reasonably clear that being a game character first is actually something he cares about to some degree. Which is good, because that's what legitimately matters for gaming icons anyway.

Sakurai: "I might have had misgivings if Cloud had never appeared on a Nintendo console in any form, though."
Appearing on a Nintendo console may not be a major factor, but it is indeed a factor that is taken into consideration when choosing which characters to add.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Smash Run just needed less random bull****, I can't count the amount of times I've been dogpiled by strong enemies and then greeted by one of those stupid treasure chest creatures. And the doors having random challenges on top of the random final battles just made it a little too luck-based imo. I agree though that Spirits should get even more enemies (take out some KI enemies because there's way too many of them, bring in more Metroid and some Fire Emblem ones).

I dunno, using a power to take out a ridiculous mob of enemies feels pretty satisfying to me. Besides, randomness helps keep it from growing stale, even if it is a little bit of an artificial way to mix things up.

Mimicuties really are the absolute worst though. At least in Uprising, you could memorize where they were and avoid them altogether when replaying levels, but that's not an option in Smash Run. Those things have way too much HP and aren't fun to fight in either game.

I didn't mind the random final battles too much, being random made it so that if a race was the final one everyone didn't just pick Sonic. Although the ability to customize what had a chance to be the final battle would still be pretty nice.

Imo, you shouldn't be offended by his "tism" comment unless you or someone very close to you are actually on the spectrum, like me (I'm used to that term as an insult on the internet, so I embrace it)...

I'm white, and I don't really have any friends but my close family members are white. Does that mean I shouldn't get upset when someone says something racist? I'm not going to be personally offended by racist comments, but I can still criticize them.

I hate people using "autism" as an insult because it reinforces negative stereotypes and perpetuates the image that people with autism are meant to be looked down upon, which is something a lot of people actually seem to believe.

 

[AugustusB]

Since this is kinda the general chat...did anyone see the tech support posts?

Not sure. Do share.

 

[Dcas]

I am on the spectrum. Asperges

Regarding the smaller part, all leaks such, especially ones of characters you like. All it does is ruin the surprise. I'm actually somewhat thankful LOZ18 was outed as a fraud, now if Skull Kid gets in, I get a much bigger surprise.

There's no upside to leaking the game

What happens to the people who actually wants know to know everything before hand? See, we have different opinions.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Also its October and she's all spooky and all that especially being based off of Medusa from actual Greek Myths.

It all comes together now! Medusa maybe our reveal for this month!!!!

*Dies of excitement*

 

[Danpal65]

What happens to the people who actually wants know to know everything before hand? See, we have different opinions.

Then those people can wait until Sakurai reveals everything about the game before release, like he said he would.

 

[ShadowYoshi04]

They got deleted but you can check my Twitter (@ ShadowYoshi04) because I took some pics.
What looked like bots spammed a bunch of tech support posts.

 

[NintenRob]

Sure there is, but you're not going to like my answer.


Knowing the full roster kills all the fan-made theories.

What? I'd take fan-made theories over leaks anytime. Theories are just speculation and they'll be shown right or wrong naturally and most have far less to stand on anyway. We'll know the full roster eventually anyway.


It almost sounds like you want to skip the entire speculation period. Reveal the game with the full roster and have 6 months of nothing

 

[papagenos]

hey vergeben mentioned Geno, kinda cool though i dont think it does anything for his chances either way.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

Ugh it was a shame that he missed the last game, losing a main/secondary is much worse than not having my most wanted at least for me. Thankfully he's back in Ultimate.

While I don't support Shadow(I would prefer Metal Sonic much more) but he would be neat choice for Sonic's echo.

Whatever the case I'm not counting Shadow out until Sakurai tells us we've seen the final roster, there's just too much pointing at him for me to write him off and yes I am a big fanboy who wants his pipedream fulfilled finally.

 

[Potato_]

I just don't feel like there's enough characters left to justify a Robin/Lucina style reveal, frankly.


With Smash 4, you had Shulk, Duck Hunt, Bowser Jr. along with all the secret clones and veterans.


But we're going to know every character before launch this time, and we've been told thrice now to not expect a lot more.


I just don't see a world where we get a Robin/Lucina reveal with a single newcomer, leaving only 1 newcomer for the Smash Direct, or 1 Echo, leaving only 1 Echo for the Smash Direct.



It feels like if there's going to be a reveal, it 'should' more or less wrap everything up in regards to the base roster.

Well yeah, that's what my hypothetical was for.

I get what you're saying though, and I agree it does make sense for them to just save it for the "grand finale" so to speak, I'm just trying to justify Sakurai's words with what we know already.

For what it's worth, you made me genuinly consider the idea of next week being the possible final direct, something that I really wasn't thinking about when I heard the playlist news.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I am on the spectrum. Asperges

Regarding the smaller part, all leaks such, especially ones of characters you like. All it does is ruin the surprise. I'm actually somewhat thankful LOZ18 was outed as a fraud, now if Skull Kid gets in, I get a much bigger surprise.

There's no upside to leaking the game

I'm on the spectrum too. It's irrelevant to this thread allowing leaks. It's in the thread title. When you come here, you know it will exist.

We're not going to ask anyone to stop posting them. We will ask them to point the leaks in spoilers at best out of respect for those who don't want to be spoiled. That's all we can do. Leaks being posted here have never caused any actual trouble to begin with. The leak thread was shut down because it was worthless as a thread. Leaks were not banned. I hope that clears up the issues here. If you would like to further discuss it, please bring it to PM's.

Sakurai: "I might have had misgivings if Cloud had never appeared on a Nintendo console in any form, though."
Appearing on a Nintendo console may not be a major factor, but it is indeed a factor that is taken into consideration when choosing which characters to add.

That's the thing; Cloud already had a Nintendo appearance. It wasn't a factor for him to think about. That's why it didn't matter at any point. He couldn't take into account something that didn't exist. He already chose to add him. If he didn't have an appearance, he'd have to outright look at his options before choosing Cloud. But since it didn't exist as a factor, all he can say is "I don't know what I've have done", which is the point. He doesn't know because it didn't come up.

 

[Shroob]

What? I'd take fan-made theories over leaks anytime. Theories are just speculation and they'll be shown right or wrong naturally and most have far less to stand on anyway. We'll know the full roster eventually anyway.


It almost sounds like you want to skip the entire speculation period. Reveal the game with the full roster and have 6 months of nothing

You're damn right I would.


There's a reason 'nihilist theory' came about.


Because "BOX THEORY IS RIGHT!"

"NO BLOG THEORY IS RIGHT! BOX THEORY IS STUPID!"

"NO BOTH ARE WRONG IT'S MUSIC THEORY!"

"VERGEBEN IS LEGIT!"

"NO LOZ18 IS LEGIT VERGEBEN IS LYING!"

"YOU'RE ALL WRONG THAT RANDOM 4CHANNER WHO SAID GARDEVOIR/GOTHITELLE IS RIGHT!"

"....S-Steve, anyone?"


*Manchildren screeching*



Is annoying as hell. This speculation cycle has been, pardon my french, crap, and I'll be glad when it's over.

 

[hposter]

There is still hope for some sort of 4th Kid Icarus character for Smash Ultimate
https://www.inverse.com/article/49474-smash-ultimate-leaks-roster-new-character-medusa

the site keeps spamming their ads in my face. can someone summarize?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

the site keeps spamming their ads in my face. can someone summarize?

It's indicating that Medusa maybe in the game as a playable character and echo to Palutena.

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

You're damn right I would.


There's a reason 'nihilist theory' came about.


Because "BOX THEORY IS RIGHT!"

"NO BLOG THEORY IS RIGHT! BOX THEORY IS STUPID!"

"NO BOTH ARE WRONG IT'S MUSIC THEORY!"

"VERGEBEN IS LEGIT!"

"NO LOZ18 IS LEGIT VERGEBEN IS LYING!"

"YOU'RE ALL WRONG THAT RANDOM 4CHANNER WHO SAID GARDEVOIR/GOTHITELLE IS RIGHT!"

"....S-Steve, anyone?"


*Manchildren screeching*



Is annoying as hell. This speculation cycle has been, pardon my french, crap, and I'll be glad when it's over.

The amount of theories that exist is getting ridiculous. I honestly can't wait until we know the whole roster already.

 

[ThatOneAnon]

You're damn right I would.


There's a reason 'nihilist theory' came about.


Because "BOX THEORY IS RIGHT!"

"NO BLOG THEORY IS RIGHT! BOX THEORY IS STUPID!"

"NO BOTH ARE WRONG IT'S MUSIC THEORY!"

"VERGEBEN IS LEGIT!"

"NO LOZ18 IS LEGIT VERGEBEN IS LYING!"

"YOU'RE ALL WRONG THAT RANDOM 4CHANNER WHO SAID GARDEVOIR/GOTHITELLE IS RIGHT!"

"....S-Steve, anyone?"


*Manchildren screeching*



Is annoying as hell. This speculation cycle has been, pardon my french, crap, and I'll be glad when it's over.

I've already seen a few people claim that they would never touch a Nintendo console again if Steve got in. Granted, those few people were on /v/, so that's not a big pool of people, but yeah.

 

[Will]

"....S-Steve, anyone?"

am i the stan lee of quote cameos now

I've already seen a few people claim that they would never touch a Nintendo console again if Steve got in. Granted, those few people were on /v/, so that's not a big pool of people, but yeah.

Ironic how they wouldn't touch a Nintendo system that has had Minecraft on it for a few months now.

 

[papagenos]

You're damn right I would.


There's a reason 'nihilist theory' came about.


Because "BOX THEORY IS RIGHT!"

"NO BLOG THEORY IS RIGHT! BOX THEORY IS STUPID!"

"NO BOTH ARE WRONG IT'S MUSIC THEORY!"

"VERGEBEN IS LEGIT!"

"NO LOZ18 IS LEGIT VERGEBEN IS LYING!"

"YOU'RE ALL WRONG THAT RANDOM 4CHANNER WHO SAID GARDEVOIR/GOTHITELLE IS RIGHT!"

"....S-Steve, anyone?"


*Manchildren screeching*



Is annoying as hell. This speculation cycle has been, pardon my french, crap, and I'll be glad when it's over.

i honestly enjoy the craziness of smash speculation, though i totally see how its can be annoying and its often frustrating and sometimes i just want off the ride too but i like it anyway haha

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I've already seen a few people claim that they would never touch a Nintendo console again if Steve got in. Granted, those few people were on /v/, so that's not a big pool of people, but yeah.

So the normal thing you see with a character that isn't 100% popular. This isn't surprising at all. Some people want to attention grab because Smash doesn't have the roster they want. It's meaningless.

Just people overreacting due to different opinions, really.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

the site keeps spamming their ads in my face. can someone summarize?

Basically, they are stating a lot of evidence as proof that Medusa is in the game... Such as:
The game supposedly having a Heroes VS Villains theme,
Medusa's voice actress, Cree Summer (Yes, that Cree Summer) liking a lot of Smash related posts,
and the fact that it being October, Medusa would be a good Halloween reveal

Yeah, I'm not sure

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Shadow feels like another Smash 4 Wolf situation now.

The biggest "shoo-in" that never actually gets in.

On the base roster at least.

I'd be fine with that.

Besides, anything that lets Tails and Blaze get in easier is a boon.

 

[Troykv]

So... Box Theory is right or not?

I would like to have some free post-release echoes.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

hey vergeben mentioned Geno, kinda cool though i dont think it does anything for his chances either way.

I would hate if all the Geno hype was just a smokescreen created by Square to hide their true rep.

Hopefully if he somehow doesn't get in the game, he ends up as DLC because of the hype

 

[Heracr055]

I prefer this speculation to the earthquake conspiracy bull**** regarding Isaac not being revealed during the last "drought" anyday, thank you very much.

 

[Will]

So... Box Theory is right or not?

I would like to have some free post-release echoes.

You ask that like it can even be answered.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I've already seen a few people claim that they would never touch a Nintendo console again if Steve got in.

"So, uh, g-guys, how would y'all feel about S-s-steve?"

"Steve? From Minecraft?"

"..y-y-yeah, I think he'd be cool an-"

*get's screamed at*

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

I've already seen a few people claim that they would never touch a Nintendo console again if Steve got in. Granted, those few people were on /v/, so that's not a big pool of people, but yeah.

Dang that's some serious hatred (then again I shouldn't talk since I said that if those horrific pony characters had a chance but that's never gonna happen thank God) Steve wouldn't really bother me but I feel like they should redesign him if he was chosen.

 

[Cosmic77]

Fake leaks and controversial rumors aren't necessarily a bad thing, as they give us something to talk about during droughts of information. It's just that people here can get a little too...passionate. "Your leak so ridiculously stupid that I'm not even going to acknowledge you or the leak. BTW my equally ridiculous leak is true because it makes sense to me."

Not to sound cheesy, but if people could be less critical and demeaning when they share their opinions on possible leaks, this speculation cycle would be a lot easier on everyone.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

Basically, they are stating a lot of evidence as proof that Medusa is in the game... Such as:
The game supposedly having a Heroes VS Villains theme,
Medusa's voice actress, Cree Summer (Yes, that Cree Summer) liking a lot of Smash related posts,
and the fact that it being October, Medusa would be a good Halloween reveal

Yeah, I'm not sure

Not to put a damper on things but Cree Summer could just be liking those posts as a nice gesture and maybe trying to get Nintendo's attention herself. However though I hear Caitlin Glass, Elma's English VA, has also been playing coy in regards to the same subject, so who knows?

 

[Robertman2]

am i the stan lee of quote cameos now


Ironic how they wouldn't touch a Nintendo system that has had Minecraft on it for a few months now.

Minecraft has been on the Switch since like June 2017 lol. I think Story Mode came even earlier

 

[lightdrago]

I kind of assumed Smash speculation was always this hectic. I’ve never really speculated for Smash before. This is the first time I’ve actually ever advocated for a character now that I think about it.

I mean, for Four, I somehow missed out on Cloud, Lucas, and Ryu’s reveal without hearing anything, but learned about Bayo’s. Plus I missed out on the Gematsu and ESRB leaks, but I guess I kinda dodged a bullet there.

 

[Will]

Minecraft has been on the Switch since like June 2017 lol. I think Story Mode came even earlier

2-3 months is a few months to me.

 

[-crump-]

Honestly I liked Smash 5 speculation more when it was pre-E3. Sure, we didn’t know anything and we were all still circling around the same old “relevant” picks, but at least we weren’t squabbling about which “leak” reigns supreme. I haven’t been as active recently, mainly because hearing “Vergeben this” or “Box Theory that” makes me want to vomit.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Basically, they are stating a lot of evidence as proof that Medusa is in the game... Such as:
The game supposedly having a Heroes VS Villains theme,
Medusa's voice actress, Cree Summer (Yes, that Cree Summer) liking a lot of Smash related posts,
and the fact that it being October, Medusa would be a good Halloween reveal

Yeah, I'm not sure

Well also back in smash 4 shulks voice actor was feeling kind of the same way as Medusa’s actor

Too bad Palutena is on the other side of the box if this is correct since Medusa could have killed the stupid box theory

Same can be said for sonic with shadow

 

[ThatOneAnon]

Alrighty, time to start mashing F5 on the music page.

 

[Luigi The President]

Box theory would probably be true in my eyes if I wasn't absolutely convinced there will be a Minecraft rep.

You cannot just license a MICROSOFT PROPERTY and...get a stage/assist trophy.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Still rooting for my spooky female villainess to make the cut!!!!

Elma too will be quite some nice icing on cake as well.