Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Luigi The President]

Just a reminder that there's still nothing to disprove this.

Just a reminder that people in this very thread predicted Isabelle would be in the September Direct
Are they right now? Anything they say goes?

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

If we do get a reveal in the next ten days, I really think it'll be a random trailer drop. I feel like November will be the final direct.

Also if two characters are revealed via a random trailer than box theory is dead, because there's no way the final smash direct doesn't have any reveals.

To kill it it just has to be anybody else other than ken and incineroar revealed that’s it

But even if it was them if they announce another smash direct in November it would kill it right there since clearly atleast 1 or more will be in the November smash direct

 

[Noipoi]

Is it finally T-pose time, lads?

 

[Luigi The President]

My hot Persona take is that the games were carried by well written characters until Atlus decided they should make games actually fun to play with 5*.

*I heard 4G improves on vanilla a lot, but I don't own a Vita so.

Ken is a 3rd party so I can see him getting special treatment of some sort.

Especially since we don't know what the scope of his changes will be.

I mean...Richter got a "trailer" as a small cross-over in Simon's crossover, so I don't know why Ken would get a full on SOLO trailer as he's an Echo. Changes or not, he's (99%) an Echo. Would be shocked.

Still would be shocked if the final Direct had only one character reveal.

 

[domriver]

The direct beings

Sakurai shows up and gives a brief update before the Incineroar trailer

During the trailer he's about to **** up Ryu with a fire attack and Ken shows up to the rescue with his own fire attack

The chat is full of salt

The full box art is revealed

Smashboards on suicide watch

Then sakurai says "but wait, we still have more newcomers on the way, you didn't think we'd reveal the whole roster on a box did you?"

Internet explodes

Goku supporters run wild

LOL

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If were indeed getting two revealed at once this month as a Lucina and Robin type reveal and it being Pokemon as the new game is coming out soon. It won't surprise me if the whole Gardevoir and Gothitelle leak was true this whole time...I'm betting that or Skull Kid and Impa.

 

[Chrono.]

Pretty sure Halloween is the reason. I mean, I won't lie, that's the best month to show him off... but I don't think Halloween is celebrated in Japan, so eh. I don't believe he's playable, as there's zero credibility towards any leaks related to it. Steve? has more going for him, even.

Halloween is celebrated in Japan.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Skull Kid and Impa in a Lucina and Robin style reveal. The former especially since he'd perfectly associate with October.

I'm thinking Incineroar will be however revealed at a Pokemon Direct and then the rest of the characters in November.

I Don't know about that... I don't think they really celebrate Halloween much in Japan...

 

[Shroob]

To kill it it just has to be anybody else other than ken and incineroar revealed that’s it

But even if it was them if they announce another smash direct in November it would kill it right there since clearly atleast 1 or more will be in the November smash direct

Not really?


For all we know, this trailer could be for Ken, and they could drop Incineroar in the November direct and the first DLC character.

The ONLY way to Kill the Box is for there to be a 3rd character, not "Announce a Direct in November".

 

[Chumpodile]

Watch it be Gardevoir and Gothitelle (As an echo) in a duo reveal.

If isabelles proportions are too different to be a villager echo, I don't think gothitelle has a chance.

 

[Nekoo]

You keep bringing this leak up Nekoo but you're legit the only person I've ever seen do it and I've never seen an actual source for it.

Guess it's time to bring up the time 4Chan was going full crazy about Vergeben's first claim, and the Riddle leaks and I was the one posting the compilation pictures about it.

Lemme search and I'll get it for you~

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If isabelles proportions are too different to be a villager echo, I don't think gothitelle has a chance.

Touche I forgot about Sakurai saying that.

 

[Exalt4747]

My hot Persona take is that the games were carried by well written characters until Atlus decided they should make games actually fun to play with 5*.

*I heard 4G improves on vanilla a lot, but I don't own a Vita so.

My hot take is that of the three, 5 is weakest on the character front. Ryuji is better than Junpei or Yosuke though.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Halloween is celebrated in Japan.

Well, perfect month then.

Not that it means he'll be in, but it's a great time for it.

Though really, it's only veterans that tend to be shown off on important dates anyway. Newcomers vary.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I love all the three people who play Etrian Odyssey equally. Shishœ, Kuon and *looks at smudged writing on hand* Moybown

I can't believe you've forgotten the one or two times I've jumped in on an EO conversation in this thread. I'm hurt. I really am.

I admittedly still haven't finished EOV. Got bored of it after I stopped finding any challenge in the 4th stratum.

(Almost as easy as cutting Charizard)

Just because you're safe from Zinith, don't think you're safe from me pal. The optizard is coming for you.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Yep. Also depends on my subjective opinion on there being one character reveal.

I find it absolutely absurd for there NOT to be a Direct with how many modes we're missing alongside the potential 5 missing stages but, yeah, it's possible.


You keep bringing this leak up Nekoo but you're legit the only person I've ever seen do it and I've never seen an actual source for it.

I think they meant the direct being in novemeber opposed to October. If the final smash direct is in October than it's possible Incineroar and Ken are the final reveals. I do think the final direct will be in October, but I don't think that means anything for cards and boxes and what not lol.

 

[Noipoi]

Ten days from now is the exact day after my birthday.
I'd like a reveal at that time.

 

[Shroob]

Watch this supposed trailer just be Ken.


"AND THE INTERNET GOes mild............yay."

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

Watch this supposed trailer just be Ken.


"AND THE INTERNET GOes mild............yay."

HEY, there is at least 20 of us, Maximilian_dood counting for 10, which will be hype af about that

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

IMO It makes too much sense for Sakurai to say he has "special" Echo Fighters to reveal, segmenting into Ken and Shadow joining the roster together. I get why people think Ken could go with Incineroar but I highly doubt it as that's mixing 1st and 3rd parties, plus TPC will want all the attention on their brand.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Not really?


For all we know, this trailer could be for Ken, and they could drop Incineroar in the November direct and the first DLC character.

The ONLY way to Kill the Box is for there to be a 3rd character, not "Announce a Direct in November".

Your kidding right

THe box theory is suggesting ken and incineroar is all that’s left if it’s anybody else it’s toast

 

[Shroob]

HEY, there is at least 20 of us, Maximilian_dood counting for 10, which will be hype af about that

Hey, I'm one of those 10. Ken is BY FAR my most wanted character right now.


.....but he's already in. We know this.

 

[FalconFire93]

Just a reminder that there's still nothing to disprove this.

If Dante were to actually make it in, I’d be really hyped about that, but at this point, it just seems really left field to me.

 

[Just a random scrub]

So how many people are going to start calling Ultimate a port if the box theory ends up being true?.

Dumb people.

The direct beings

Sakurai shows up and gives a brief update before the Incineroar trailer

During the trailer he's about to **** up Ryu with a fire attack and Ken shows up to the rescue with his own fire attack

The chat is full of salt

The full box art is revealed

Smashboards on suicide watch

Then sakurai says "but wait, we still have more newcomers on the way, you didn't think we'd reveal the whole roster on a box did you?"

Internet explodes

Goku supporters run wild

Sakurai: Out of all the the methods I could have revealed everybody, you'd expect me to do it on a box, 3 months before release? Y'all ****** make me laugh, I swear...

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Just a reminder that people in this very thread predicted Isabelle would be in the September Direct

And I assumed she wouldn't necessarily be an Echo, so...

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

Your kidding right

THe box theory is suggesting ken and incineroar is all that’s left if it’s anybody else it’s toast

Not necessarily.

The box theory suggests two more.

Vergeben says Ken and Icineroar are left.

If we get two more newcomers that fit the box pattern, but aren't Ken and Incineroar, that means Vergeben is wrong, not the box.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

If Dante by some miracle gets in and no one ******* about his insane combos and how he potentially will and most likely will break the game, but Bayonetta gets death threats and whining about being cut instead of trying to fix her issues?

I'm side eye all of those types of people so hard, because you know damn well why you're not reacting the same way you do to Bayonetta if it's Dante put in her place.

 

[Shroob]

Your kidding right

THe box theory is suggesting ken and incineroar is all that’s left if it’s anybody else it’s toast

How does that have anything to do with what I said?


If this reveal is Ken, Incineroar gets shown off in November, and the first DLC character does as well, then box is alive, because DLC wouldn't be on the box.


You're thinking 'inside' the box, because that's NOT how to kill the box.


The way to kill the box is to either have a non-Vergeben character revealed next, or to have a 3rd character revealed in the last Direct.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Watch this supposed trailer just be Ken.


"AND THE INTERNET GOes mild............yay."

Ken would still be very hype for me... imo

 

[Nekoo]

And got it for you Luigi The President

https://imgur.com/a/E7g4C1D

Edited because >Uploading from mobile is ****

 

[TheCJBrine]

As much as I want Skull Kid, I'm afraid he won't be in base, and maybe not DLC due to how the Zelda characters are handled.

However, if there's another ballot, I'm gonna make a lot of votes for him. I can't see him being a boss, because even if they decide to do a fighter-sized yet unplayable boss for once, it'd make more sense to make him playable as well because, as I pointed out, he's fighter-sized and so he'd be easy to animate as a fighter, and he's never actually been a boss until Twilight Princess (in which he's more of a miniboss that you barely fight, it's more-or-less a game of Tag while you slash through his puppets) and Hyrule Warriors (in which he's also playable).

Vergeben says Ken and Icineroar are left.

He's never claimed he knew who's left; plus, there's also the SE rep (who may be DLC but still).

 

[Moydow]

I admittedly still haven't finished EOV

Oh boy, I'll never get bored of being able to use this image

(link in case it doesn't work: https://i.imgur.com/GtjsNva.png)

Hey, at this rate we'll soon have enough people to fill a whole adventuring party. :p

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

IMO It makes too much sense for Sakurai to say he has "special" Echo Fighters to reveal, segmenting into Ken and Shadow joining the roster together. I get why people think Ken could go with Incineroar but I highly doubt it as that's mixing 1st and 3rd parties, plus TPC will want all the attention on their brand.

Indeed. It's not so much 1st and 3rd parties, as that really doesn't matter at all. The companies can be very fickle with their characters, so making sure they all agree on how the characterization is represented in a trailer can be very difficult. It's why it's unlikely they'd both be in a trailer together.

 

[Chrono.]

Ken would be hype af and anyone who says there won't be excitement for the character needs to get out of the Smash speculation bubble.

If Dante by some miracle gets in and no one ******* about his insane combos and how he potentially will and most likely will break the game, but Bayonetta gets death threats and whining about being cut instead of trying to fix her issues?

I'm side eye all of those types of people so hard, because you know damn well why you're not reacting the same way you do to Bayonetta if it's Dante put in her place.

MvC3/I players crying in the distance.

 

[Mr. Trumo]

A card was posted that shows all the characters, with two spaces left.

What's this about a card?

 

[Luigi The President]

And got it for you Luigi The President

https://imgur.com/a/E7g4C1D

Edited because >Uploading from mobile is ****

This is interesting.
What'd the rest of the leak say?

 

[Shroob]

The only thing that makes me think it's NOT Ken is the fact that he'd get a trailer unto himself.


But at the same time, he's a 3rd party character, meaning he's a bit more special than the rest.

 

[Noipoi]

What's this about a card?

An Eshop download card for Ultimate has art of all the characters with two blank spaces. One before Ryu, one after Isabelle.

 

[Nekoo]

This is interesting.
What'd the rest of the leak say?

Bunch of dumb **** like Mimikyu, some AT, Dixie and idk.
But what's important was that Masked probably got NDA'd and Yakuza'd by Square-Enix, whenever what he said is true or false

 

[Deleted member]

The playlist is for the 20-second long clips that all characters get, right?