Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[MasterOfKnees]

I mean, is it really that inaccurate though?

Yes, very. Seriously mate, take a breather from speculation, you seem to let it get to your head way too easily, everything you're reading on here is in essence completely harmless.

 

[osby]

I mean, is it really that inaccurate though?

I mean, yeah, kinda, because you were talking about a lot of people who might be nice human beings and it's very subjective overall.

I can get if some of your worst social interactions were in this fandom but it's still not really accurate.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

So, I got a game to lighten the mood. Who’s a character you want in Smash, but will never happen. Only rule is that it has to be a video game character. Besides that, go wild.

For me, It’s Freddy Fazbear and Chell. (Yes, I just said Freddy, don’t hurt me.)

 

[Nintrendo]

Box/Card theory is false as its just the roster at this moment. Look at the Europe special edition that has the fighter art, it is missing everyone that was revealed at e3 with people like simon and chrom not there, does that mean they aren't playble anymore? no it doesn't. Box arts don't have to have full rosters look at 3ds that didnt have the full roster. Also with the direct one will be coming before the middle of october according to the guy who runs Gematsu

 

[Aeon Lupin]

Some people here clearly need to take a break from this place. They are taking this way too seriously. Personally, I don't see the harm in others being optimistic. If it makes the wait for the game that much less unbearable, what's the problem?

 

[Caiahar]

But with the line complete it'll disappear! Do you want us to lose a whole row of characters?!

Change does not come without sacrifices. And it is a sacrifice I am willing to take.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Every single day I learn something new...

It went down because they wouldn't allow people to actually do anything physical... which is the point. Easy way to lose business on that. So at least it fits their M.O. of family friendly(well, at the time. Nintendo is definitely allowing more mature content than they used to).

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Some people here clearly need to take a break from this place. They are taking this way too seriously. Personally, I don't see the harm in others being optimistic. If it makes the wait for the game that much less unbearable, what's the problem?

I pretty much agree with everything you just said now.

 

[Deleted member]

There's no problem with being optimistic but there is one in responding to someone telling them to lower their expectations with "that's bull**** and you're an idiot for thinking that"

 

[Deleted member]

To be fair, today Vergeben said he's pretty sure there's an actual Square-Enix rep, be it DLC or in the base game. If he is DLC tho, that would confirm that DLC are already planned (and already worked on).

Whatever, I'm going to enjoy the game anyway, the amount of content is staggering. I'm just curious about the "spirit" mode...

If they're going to announce DLC plans, Sakurai as much as I love him better be reveal this the right way. Mewtwo made sense to entice people to buy the Wii U version of Smash 4 and help the 3DS sales (even if they're doing fantastic) as a downloadable bonus if you buy both. But after seeing Soul Calibur and Blazblue Cross Tag Battle with how they've handled DLC, I'm a bit trepidacious.

We're not in the era of Nintendo going two-ways with handheld and home-centric, so I really hope he finds a way to make sure that this game is a full, complete game while DLC will come in about 4-5 months or so. I'm not saying Sakurai can't and I trust he knows a way, maybe those rumors of a DLC reveal at The Game Awards this December are true and he'll do that (by the way, I'd say keep an eye on Spawn Wave. He's got some insanely good sources for things like Nintendo's fall lineup and Mario U Deluxe, so if they're saying this, it's best to keep an eye on him). I just hope the announcement of DLC goes as smooth as possible.

 

[BrashCandicoot]

So, I got a game to lighten the mood. Who’s a character you want in Smash, but will never happen. Only rule is that it has to be a video game character. Besides that, go wild.

For me, It’s Freddy Fazbear and Chell. (Yes, I just said Freddy, don’t hurt me.)

Bill Rizer from the Contra series.

 

[Idon]

So, I got a game to lighten the mood. Who’s a character you want in Smash, but will never happen. Only rule is that it has to be a video game character. Besides that, go wild.

For me, It’s Freddy Fazbear and Chell. (Yes, I just said Freddy, don’t hurt me.)

Something something, look at my sig, something something nobody here plays SMT, something something, you get the idea

But ignoring the obvious answer, I would really love to see Phoenix Wright from Ace Attorney. Preferably with all the other attorneys and prosecutors as Koopaling style alts with unique "Pursuit" themes.

 

[PeridotGX]

Why are we talking about Box Theory again? Did something new come out about it?

 

[Kuon]

So, I got a game to lighten the mood. Who’s a character you want in Smash, but will never happen. Only rule is that it has to be a video game character. Besides that, go wild.

For me, It’s Freddy Fazbear and Chell. (Yes, I just said Freddy, don’t hurt me.)

For me it would be Bandai Namco's Haruka Amami from THE iDOLM@STER

 

[osby]

So, I got a game to lighten the mood. Who’s a character you want in Smash, but will never happen. Only rule is that it has to be a video game character. Besides that, go wild.

For me, It’s Freddy Fazbear and Chell. (Yes, I just said Freddy, don’t hurt me.)

Persona 3 protagonist.

Spoiler: Cool artwork

A character that needs to press a gun to his head and pull the trigger just to use his powers? There's no way he could be in Smash but there is still so much cool stuff (read: music) he could bring to Smash.

Plus, franchises that isn't FE should also get blue haired sword-users.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Something something, look at my sig, something something nobody here plays SMT, something something, you get the idea

But ignoring the obvious answer, I would really love to see Phoenix Wright from Ace Attorney. Preferably with all the other attorneys and prosecutors as Koopaling style alts with unique "Pursuit" themes.

I don’t know anything about Ace Attorney, But the alts sound cool.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Why are we talking about Box Theory again? Did something new come out about it?

It's because of this.

Anyone interested in looking at the download card?

 

[ThatOneAnon]

Yes, very. Seriously mate, take a breather from speculation, you seem to let it get to your head way too easily, everything you're reading on here is in essence completely harmless.

See, that's easier said than done because it's Smash Bros.
And I have taken breaks. Multiple ones. I've played new games, watched new shows, done new things, but every time I come back here, not only has nothing changed but it's seemingly gotten worse.

 

[Waluigi is not getting in]

If you fully believe a theory you have no right to **** on people wanting to believe theirs.

 

[Deleted member]

So, I got a game to lighten the mood. Who’s a character you want in Smash, but will never happen. Only rule is that it has to be a video game character. Besides that, go wild.

For me, It’s Freddy Fazbear and Chell. (Yes, I just said Freddy, don’t hurt me.)

When the most likely out of my top 3 is Wonder-Red, you know I'm a goddamn hipster.
Crono is deader than TellTale and Protector will mever happen because no one plays Etrian Odyssey.

 

[T-Hell]

So, I got a game to lighten the mood. Who’s a character you want in Smash, but will never happen. Only rule is that it has to be a video game character. Besides that, go wild.

For me, It’s Freddy Fazbear and Chell. (Yes, I just said Freddy, don’t hurt me.)

Chibi-Robo.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

When the most likely out of my top 3 is Wonder-Red, you know I'm a goddamn hipster.
Crono is deader than TellTale and Protector will mever happen because no one plays Etrian Odyssey.

Honestly I’d say Wonder Red has a chance. I’m talking franchises that don’t even have a trophy.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Why are we talking about Box Theory again? Did something new come out about it?

Cards. That is all.

 

[Llort A. Ton]

So, I got a game to lighten the mood. Who’s a character you want in Smash, but will never happen. Only rule is that it has to be a video game character. Besides that, go wild.

For me, It’s Freddy Fazbear and Chell. (Yes, I just said Freddy, don’t hurt me.)

I live and die by Thwomp. URGH! (and all memes aside it would be cool to see how Sakurai tackles a fighting game character with no arms or legs)

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

See, this is what annoys me--when a straw man argument is used to dismiss the other side of the argument. When I argue against the Box Theory, I argue against their BEST arguments to show why I think they're wrong, not the worst arguments ("But muh characters"). The best arguments against Box Theory, if you're not aware of, is:

- Everyone agrees it's placeholder art, because it lacks Isabelle and has negative space. Placeholder art, by its nature, changes between it and the finalized design. We have no way of knowing what will change, if more spaces are added, if there's other sides with characters, etc.

- It relies on many assumptions, including Vergeben being 100% correct (as confident as I am in him, no one should be considered 100% trustworthy), and that the Box only lists every character in the roster, while a few could be left off to avoid leaks when it goes to printing.

Some of us are perfectly fine if there weren't more characters--particularly me, because before E3 I was *hoping* for a Smash 4 port to avoid having characters be cut. E3 had already shattered my expectations. But each time, expectations are changed accordingly, and it doesn't make much sense to end on Incineroar and Ken (which is lamer than Smash 4's ending as some people point to) because it's characters we expect (a Pokemon and an echo). But saying that doesn't mean I'm upset there aren't more characters, just confused at their pacing of reveals. As for your claims:

> Vergeben never said this. He said there were *at least* six more characters, including Simon, but there could always be more. Max is not the same as "at least". Unless you're saying the characters left that he's confident in, in which case there are 3: Incineroar, Ken, and an SE rep. Steve is not a claim he made because he has not heard back from his main Smash sources--it's only he said, they said, they said as his non-Smash sources have heard people murming about it, but is not a claim Verge is making outside of "Minecraft content".
> Vergeben is confident in the SE rep, he just doesn't know, like with any character, if they are base or DLC. He's only giving Box Theory some credence given it doesn't conflict with his information, outside of the SE rep. But the SE rep does conflict, unless you make another assumption it's DLC--which again, Box Theory has too many assumptions as is.
> Why would those involved in promotion cryptically reveal the rest of the roster? This is another claim made by Box Theorist proponents that make no sense. I didn't include it in the above, as I said, I try not to argue against the worst arguments of a side I disagree with.
> This is true, and it definitely should lead people to change their expectations accordingly. But "slowing down" does not mean "Box Theory is correct."

I've stopped complaining about Box Theory, as you said, people are allowed to believe whatever they want. It just gets frustrating when one side keeps using strawman arguments to dismiss the other side, rather than being open minded and taking their side seriously. I've tried that with Box Theory--I'm not as aggressively against it as I once was. But I still have to be honest, and Box Theory still doesn't make any sense, being a placeholder image, and having too many assumptions with no real evidence to back it up. And I'm fine with the roster as is.

I’ll try to respond to your point in order. Can’t confirm i’ll do a good job!

First, it’s obviously promo art. It’s not done. However, the problem with assuming that we’d get more that a duo is characters is not that it’s a placeholder, but moreso that having Ken and one other would fill out the box perfectly. This is also based on Vergeben.

While Vergeben has mentioned Ken, Incineroar, an SE character, and potential Steve, he hasn’t definitely been able to say if they’re base roster or DLC. That’s the point to be made here, that he’s not only unable to state who it is for certain, but that he can’t for certain say when we’re getting it.

He may not have said Steve, but the fanbase suddenly now places Steve in “highly likely tier” for frankly little reason.

Diddy Kong, Birdo, Paratroopa were all leaked via twitter prior to be announced for Mario tennis. There have been similar slip ups with Nintendo in the past. It’s really not that unheard of.

That’s all I have time for, but I give you credit for actually making an argument other than “It doesn’t have what I want, so it’s crap!”

 

[Kuon]

When the most likely out of my top 3 is Wonder-Red, you know I'm a goddamn hipster.
Crono is deader than TellTale and Protector will mever happen because no one plays Etrian Odyssey.

I've played several Etrian Odyssey games

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

I live and die by Thwomp. URGH! (and all memes aside it would be cool to see how Sakurai tackles a fighting game character with no arms or legs)

He already has! Kirby! And don’t tell me those little stubs are arms and legs, them be feet and hands.

 

[PeridotGX]

So, I got a game to lighten the mood. Who’s a character you want in Smash, but will never happen. Only rule is that it has to be a video game character. Besides that, go wild.

For me, It’s Freddy Fazbear and Chell. (Yes, I just said Freddy, don’t hurt me.)

Maxwell from Scribblenauts.

It's because of this.

I'm not sure how to feel about that. On one hand, it lines up with Box Theory, but on the other hand it looks final.

 

[Koopaul]

So, I got a game to lighten the mood. Who’s a character you want in Smash, but will never happen. Only rule is that it has to be a video game character. Besides that, go wild.

For me, It’s Freddy Fazbear and Chell. (Yes, I just said Freddy, don’t hurt me.)

Well nothing is impossible, but for Smash Ultimate there are thing that are pretty much impossible at this point. I have Barbara from Jam With The Band. She's a really uniaue Nintendo who could offer a fighting style no other Nintendo character could and represent the Music Game genre.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

If you fully believe a theory you have no right to **** on people wanting to believe theirs.

That’s not true at all.

If someone believes in a theory that has no grounding, that theory is not suddenly on the same level as one that does.

Now, with box theory, it’s not like it’s the end all be all thing for Smash. It’s circumstantial. It’s based on something though. Even despite it being based on other information, that doesn’t mean it tells the whole story either.

The theory/leaks people believe in aren’t necessarily given the same basis on which it exists, yet are supported far more than something that has actual thought put into it.

That’s the frustrating part.

 

[MrSmashFour]

[QUOTE="Llort A. Ton, post: 22503261, member: 326858"(and all memes aside it would be cool to see how Sakurai tackles a fighting game character with no arms or legs)[/QUOTE]

 

[Moydow]

no one plays Etrian Odyssey.

Wow, you can't even be bothered to remember I exist? Nice to know how highly you think of me. *hmph*

 

[osby]

He already has! Kirby! And don’t tell me those little stubs are arms and legs, them be feet and hands.

Does counts?

 

[Dcas]

Some people here clearly need to take a break from this place. They are taking this way too seriously. Personally, I don't see the harm in others being optimistic. If it makes the wait for the game that much less unbearable, what's the problem?

Uhm, if you just say "hey im getting 11 newcomers" just watch how isaac gets added. Thats perfectly fine, is an opinion.

Dude, how can you believe we are getting 2 more only? We are getting 6 for sure, watch how we get the super secret majin buu to smash! Let me speculate in peace!

See the difference? One is an opinion, one is an entitlement. Plus, no one is harming, just ignore the **** you dont like (?) I mean i assume a vast majority here is an adult with common sense.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly I’d say Wonder Red has a chance. I’m talking franchises that don’t even have a trophy.

I wouldn't call him likely at all still. His only advantage over the other two is being first party but that's it. His game flopped hard and it doesn't seem to even be getting a sequel or a port.

I've played several Etrian Odyssey games

You're a good human being who could do no wrong.
also shameless plug for my Protector support thread, go check it out

 

[Dee Dude]

So, I got a game to lighten the mood. Who’s a character you want in Smash, but will never happen. Only rule is that it has to be a video game character. Besides that, go wild.

For me, It’s Freddy Fazbear and Chell. (Yes, I just said Freddy, don’t hurt me.)

-Conker
-Any Sonic character outside of Tails/Knux/Shad/Eggy
-Rover (Animal Crossing)
-Other Gen Pokemon Trainers
-Snorlax
-Gengar
-Lanky Kong
-Chunky Kong

Yeah if I’m being honest, these are moreso “would be cool to see” then “want”

 

[osby]

[QUOTE="Llort A. Ton, post: 22503261, member: 326858"(and all memes aside it would be cool to see how Sakurai tackles a fighting game character with no arms or legs)

[/QUOTE]
He literally has an arm in that icon.

 

[Nekoo]

The fact that Nintendo are protecting that character at all cost makes me think it's a VERY big deal.
I wouldn't be surprised to wake up with Noctis/Lightning or Squall in Smash anymore right now.

Also I realized...If the """""rumor"""" (I say this because I still don't believe that at all) about the character being Announced during the Games Awards 2018 and is in relation with his series... there is actually TWO Square-Enix games that could compete.
Dragon Quest XI for Best RPG
and...Kingdom Hearts III for most anticipated Game of 2019.

That's just a theory based on a faulty rumor, and since we don't know the nominee yet, we can't even speculate at all.

 

[Noipoi]

So, I got a game to lighten the mood. Who’s a character you want in Smash, but will never happen. Only rule is that it has to be a video game character. Besides that, go wild.
For me, It’s Freddy Fazbear and Chell. (Yes, I just said Freddy, don’t hurt me.)

My girl Ashley.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

That’s not true at all.

If someone believes in a theory that has no grounding, that theory is not suddenly on the same level as one that does.

Now, with box theory, it’s not like it’s the end all be all thing for Smash. It’s circumstantial. It’s based on something though. Even despite it being based on other information, that doesn’t mean it tells the whole story either.

The theory/leaks people believe in aren’t necessarily given the same basis on which it exists, yet are supported far more than something that has actual thought put into it.

That’s the frustrating part.

It's still true because ****ting on people's theories/opinions is never really justified. It's hypocritical to begin with to act like that.

Doesn't mean every theory holds the same weight, which is a different argument to begin with. But one the user was making anyway.