Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[itsaxelol]

Isabelle. while I am very much looking forward to Inkling and Simon, we all kinda saw them coming. And I never got the hype for Ridley and K. Rool as smash Characters. Isabelle was the one that surprised me the most.

Surprise is different than hype though. I'd find it hard to believe anyone thinks Isabella's trailer is "hype", lol. She could have been your most wanted but in no way does that fit the general criteria for a "hype" trailer

 

[StormC]

I think k rools trailer was better, but Ridley was more hype I guess. Since it was the first one. And we all knew k rool was coming after the Ridley reveal anyway

Not all of us, just look at some of the posts in this thread after Ridley's reveal but before K. Rool's trying to deny the inevitable, lol.

This is what I'm talking about. Is it just like, Banjo punches, Kazooie pecks, or is there something more here? Not that the former option wouldn't be interesting if done right, but what kind of combo moves are we talking?

Kazooie can spit eggs of multiple kinds - normal eggs, fire eggs, ice eggs, grenade eggs, just to name a few. They can also fly together, use Kazooie's beak to drill through things, or even more slapstick options, like Banjo just straight up taking Kazooie and smacking the **** out of things with her.

I mean, I dunno why you need to ask us about it. Support threads exist for this very reason.

https://smashboards.com/threads/banjo-kazooie-raring-for-a-reunion.446558/

 

[Murlough]

What the--? Where did all the positive support for XB2 go? Its so weird how characters like Rex and Decidueye (bias since they're in my sig, I know) are popular requests one season, and by the next months they're in the trash...

Anyway, its funny that a lot of the posts I read say that the art style in XB2 wasn't to their liking, because I felt that exact same way with XB1 (just so we're clear going forward, I personally never call these games Xenoblade CHRONICLES since I think that extra naming was just tacked on, so I call each game Xenomblade (XB), Xenoblade X (XBX) and Xenoblade 2 (XB2))

Anyway, I know this will get me hate, but I could not get into XB1 because I didn't like the visuals of the characters, especially Shulk. He looked terrible, his render never looked right to me, and there was always something about his face. It also didn't help that just as a character, I didn't like him. I had the same problem with Tidus from FFX. All the other FFX characters I liked visually, but Tidus looked ridiculous to me, and I never liked his voice or personality. I tired months ago to replay FFX and just stopped (again), so I've yet to finish XB or FFX.

The issues I had with the character visuals didn't bother me in XBX, and I honestly have to say the art direction in XB2 is my favorite, and I hope the rest of the games moving forward continue 2's trend.

Having typed all this, am I just the weird one? I liked the sequel over the God-Almighty first XB, I'm championing characters I want for SSBU that have apparently gone out of style (exception being Dixie Kong)...of course like what you like, I just found this interesting enough to ramble about.

I've never been a fan. I was mostly OK with them before I heard of Elma, I'm not a Xenoblade player, but she seems strictly better than them every way that matters to me.

Her design is clean, she has a ton of move-set potential, and she seems to actually have personality. As far as I can tell Rex doesn't have two out of those three things. Keep in mind this is just the ignorant thoughts of someone who never played a Xenoblade game.

I really dislike Pyra's....everything. Rex looks like a blank canvas anime character given sentience. Elma looks cool.

EDIT: I should be clear in saying I was "OK" with them because I assumed they were a shoe-in. No reason to be for or against something that is absolutely gonna happen ya know?

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Here's another list for this game:

- Tails
- Doomslayer/Doomguy
- Leon Kennedy
- Phoenix Wright
- Llyod Irving
- Monster Hunter
- Protoman
- Terra Branford

>yikes
>10/10
>10/10
>1,000/10
>yikes
>7/10
>7/10
>yikes

 

[staindgrey]

So...bird Deadpool? I'm listening...

Okay, serious answer this time.

First and foremost, B&K fans want them in the game to "bring them home," so to speak. The series left Nintendo's consoles before it even had a chance to show up on the Gamecube, which is now three consoles ago. Microsoft has done almost nothing with the property, leaving B&K fans in an Isaac type of desperation-- only unlike Isaac's games, Nintendo can't get another B&K game even if they wanted to. Smash is basically their only opportunity at this point.

As for a moveset, it's a bear with a bird in his backpack. Kazooie offers disjointed hitboxes for every move that involves her poking out of her backpack. You have the triple strike aerial they use in-game, the beak-slamming ground pound, the forward dash where the duo flips over and Kazooie carries Banjo on her back for a short distance, and the upward flutter where Kazooie attempts to carries a freakin' bear into the air, then loses her strength and they fall.

Banjo can pull Kazooie out of the backpack, hold her like a rifle and shoot eggs as projectiles. Or change to a spear for a disjointed lunging attack. Banjo rolls like DK for a dash attack, has heavy-like normals when he's fighting to contrast the speed of his bird friend, and visually, they're just incredibly unique in a game that people complain has "too many anime swordsmen". They ooze creativity and personality.

 

[PsySmasher]

I don't know why you and others expected a lot of newcomers when Sakurai stated to not expect that many and then state in the direct that there's only a FEW more to reveal with a hand gesture. Then K. Rool and Isabelle are revealed making only 2 more characters left much more realistic given every character is coming back.

Snake, Wolf, Squirtle, Ivysuar, Lucas, and Ice Climbers (6 characters) all got eventually cut for Smash4 with Bowser Jr Barely making the roster. 6 characters cut to make room for Smash 4 base roster of newcomers.
I predicted 8 newcomers with Sakurai statement and understanding how tedious and exhausting game making is. Its not Sakurais fault people aren't taking his word at face value and are resulting to conspiracy theories about his statement when he directly told smashers straight up in the Ultimate reveal that newcomers wasn't the focus.

Melee was not in HD (easier to develop) and had bunch of clones / semi-clones in its short development span. You notice big games today take years to make now compared to the 90s etc. FF, Dragon Age, KH III, Smash, GTA, etc.

I don't necessarily trust everything Sakurai says. Ridley being revealed for Smash immediately after he said that made me very suspicious.

Yes, the conditions for developing games was much different in for Melee than Ultimate. I admit quoting Melee's development wasn't the best support for my argument. That doesn't change my opinion on the matter though.

My argument was more against how they revealed the characters if they only had 11 new characters too reveal. Revealing almost half of those characters at one time persuaded me (and many others) to believe we'll get more characters than we thought post-E3. If they only had 3 to reveal after the Smash direct over 3-4 months, that wouldn't be a very good way to produce hype just before it releases (in my opinion).

 

[Iridium]

Isabelle. while I am very much looking forward to Inkling and Simon, we all kinda saw them coming. And I never got the hype for Ridley and K. Rool as smash Characters. Isabelle was the one that surprised me the most.

Well, I'm still hype for Simon, and leaks didn't stop that for me. He's the newcomer I care about the most right now.

 

[Nethermoosen]

This is what I'm talking about. Is it just like, Banjo punches, Kazooie pecks, or is there something more here? Not that the former option wouldn't be interesting if done right, but what kind of combo moves are we talking?

Beak buster, beak bulge, flight, wonder wing, rat-a-tat rap, Kazooie’s trot, multiple types of egg projectiles(normal, ice, fire, grenade, clockwork explosives), Mumbo Jumbo transformations into other animals, beak bombardment, pack whack, bear claws, forward roll, kazooie’s dragon form has fire breath. Beak bayonett, you can grab kazooie by the neck and use her as a club. Multiple jumps, possible to split the characters up. Not to mention what Sakurai could come up with creatively.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

Just merely one character revealed... Really? What about the echo fighters?! I wanted to see Incineroar, Isaac, Geno.. I also wanted to see Medusa! Medusa! Medusa! ( pounds the desk shouting Medusa )

 

[Chrono.]

I know some of these are already confirmed as not possible, but I would love to see:

- Mega Man X
- Zero
- Paper Mario
- Toad
- Banjo / Kazooie

Few extra nice to haves:

- Crono
- Dixie Kong
- Rayman

- Sure
- Awesome
- Decent
- Decent
- Cool

- Cool
- Awesome
- Decent

 

[Will]

Wart would make a great retro Character...

Girl Phoenix Wright
Maybe Girl Probably Guy Mad Max Character
Prince Sable

That's all I got

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Surprise is different than hype though. I'd find it hard to believe anyone thinks Isabella's trailer is "hype", lol. She could have been your most wanted but in no way does that fit the general criteria for a "hype" trailer

Well, Inkling was obvious, Simon was Leaked, And Ridley and K. Rool Look Super Boring. Out of all of these, Isabelle is still my most hype Inducing character. I just never expected her to be a unique character.

 

[Chron]

I'll take a spin on that rating characters game.
Rate these characters.

Paper Mario
Funky Kong
Jack Frost
Bandana Dee
Impa

Paper Mario - 7/10 Sure
Funky Kong - 10/10 YES. TOP TIER MKWii!!!!
Bandana Dee - 8/10 Yes. more Kirby
Impa - 6/10 Would prefer other Zelda characters

 

[itsaxelol]

Super boring wtf. Crazy how people's taste varies

 

[StormC]

K. Rool's trailer has the singular honor of being the only Smash trailer in history to bring me to actual tears when it came on the screen.

I'm very happy he was not leaked.

The trailer was also just a big love letter to the DKC series in general, which was a pleasant surprise after how much it got ignored in previous games.

 

[LetterO]

hey i gotta question for you guys: what was the most hype trailer thus far?
in my opinion it was k.rool by far. i was bouncing around my room so much my piggy bank fell on the floor and broke lol.

Me and my friend absolutely flipped when we saw Snake pop up. Like, we'd probably be destroying shelves just like Etika if any were in sight.

 

[Galaxyman]

my turn to rate characters:

Geno
Doomguy (my personal fav)
metal sonic (sonic echo)

 

[Deleted member]

Here's another list for this game:

- Tails
- Doomslayer/Doomguy
- Leon Kennedy
- Phoenix Wright
- Llyod Irving
- Monster Hunter
- Protoman
- Terra Branford

Eh? I really don't know how to feel about Tails.
YES. Doomguy would be excellent.
No.
Absolutely.
No.
Yes.
Why? Easily the worst option here.
Okay, I guess. I wouldn't get excited or anything.

Banjo can hold her like a rifle and shoot eggs as projectiles.

I may have no connection to the characters or games, but this right here is hilarious. I thought they were just generic animal mascots.

 

[Pakky]

Here's another list for this game:

- Tails
- Doomslayer/Doomguy
- Leon Kennedy
- Phoenix Wright
- Llyod Irving
- Monster Hunter
- Protoman
- Terra Branford

-YEAH!
-YEAH!
-WHO?
-Alright, yeah!
-No thank you.
-Understandable
- YEAH!
-Uh? Alright.

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

I don't necessarily trust everything Sakurai says. Ridley being revealed for Smash immediately after he said that made me very suspicious.

Yes, the conditions for developing games was much different in for Melee than Ultimate. I admit quoting Melee's development wasn't the best support for my argument. That doesn't change my opinion on the matter though.

My argument was more against how they revealed the characters if they only had 11 new characters too reveal. Revealing almost half of those characters at one time persuaded me (and many others) to believe we'll get more characters than we thought post-E3. If they only had 3 to reveal after the Smash direct over 3-4 months, that wouldn't be a very good way to produce hype just before it releases (in my opinion).

But when has Smash ever made the hypest reveals at the end? There is no precedent for such a conjecture.

 

[Chrono.]

Here's another list for this game:

- Tails
- Doomslayer/Doomguy
- Leon Kennedy
- Phoenix Wright
- Llyod Irving
- Monster Hunter
- Protoman
- Terra Branford

- Yes please
- Cool
- Cool
- Cool
- Awesome
- Awesome
- Yeah why not
- Cool

 

[Cosmic77]

He's just another Mario. If we get another Mario character, it should be someone unique like Wart or Toad

Saying Paper Mario is "just another Mario" is like saying ZSS is "just another Samus".

They both have the same name, and they're both based off the same character. After that, the similarities stop. He has a ton of material from his series to work with, and I have no doubt that he wouldn't play like normal Mario at all. You'd actually have a harder time making PM a clone than you would a completely unique character.

 

[Murlough]

Here's another list for this game:

- Tails
- Doomslayer/Doomguy
- Leon Kennedy
- Phoenix Wright
- Llyod Irving
- Monster Hunter
- Protoman
- Terra Branford

1. Sure. I'm a Shadow, Amy, or Knuckles guy but Tails is alright.
2. That would be cool.
3. Who?
4. I don't really want him in. If he gets in I'll be happy for those who want him but he just doesn't look like a character who fits in with Smash.
5. Who?
6. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssss.
7. Sure.
8. Who?

 

[Noipoi]

hey i gotta question for you guys: what was the most hype trailer thus far?
in my opinion it was k.rool by far. i was bouncing around my room so much my piggy bank fell on the floor and broke lol.

K Rool's trailer was pretty hype, but the Inklings trailer will always be the most hype to me.
Not only did it confirm a new Smash was on the way, it also confirmed my most wanted newcomer at the same time .
It was...I can barely even describe how hyped I was.

 

[Will]

I may have no connection to the characters or games, but this right here is hilarious. I thought they were just generic animal mascots.

Forget Banjo just make Kazooie and item and swing her around as a living weapon

 

[TheCJBrine]

This is what I'm talking about. Is it just like, Banjo punches, Kazooie pecks, or is there something more here? Not that the former option wouldn't be interesting if done right, but what kind of combo moves are we talking?

Banjo could punch/claw swipe, roll, or swing his backpack around (poor Kazooie).

In their games, most of the moves learned involve Kazooie, including their version of a double jump (Kazooie just flaps her wings for a slight upward boost, and they fall slowly on the way down for a few seconds if you hold the jump button). Also includes shooting / crapping different types of eggs, flying, drilling, and of course, pecking.

With magic from either Mumbo Jumbo or Humba Wumba, they transform into other things, though it usually limits them to Banjo always doing the action in the forms (though there's one that's literally nothing except Kazooie becomes a dragon, though it just let's her breathe fire at her normal size). Some forms include a bee, a pumpkin, a detonator, a money van, etc.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Even if you think the box idea is dumb, i’d mentally prepare yourself that there probably are only 2-4 more characters.

I still think people are setting themselves up for big disappointment then they saying, “There’s going to be way more characters!” after the man literally says, “Don’t expect as many newcomers” and “we have a few more to show you later on”.

Like, not even joking. I want there to be more. But I still think people are just expecting 8 more characters to be shown. Not that anybody dropped that number, but wew lad.

 

[WolfCypher]

What are everyone's thoughts on:
New FE Rep
Rex & Pyra
Toon Zelda
New FF Rep

New FE Rep - Why the hell not at this point? Please make sure they have blue hair, a sword weilder, a chargable B Special and has Counter as a Down Special
Rex & Pyra - A huge win for me
Toon Zelda - No thanks, rather Impa, Ganon, or Skull Kid
New FF Rep - Only if its someone from FF1-6, especially Terra

I'll take a spin on that rating characters game.
Rate these characters.

Paper Mario
Funky Kong
Jack Frost
Bandana Dee
Impa

Paper Mario - Cool
Funky Kong - Nooooooo...
Jack Frost - WHO?
Bandana Dee - Wouldn't care
Impa - See above for my Impa comments in first set of replies

My turn of rating characters.
-Crash Bandicoot
-Elma
-Toad
-Plusle & Minun

Crash Bandicoot - Errrr...naw?
Elma - Cool
Toad - Sure...
Plusle & Minun - Wait, we have a chance to add a Third Genner, and its these? No, give me Blaziken...

Alright my Turn. rate these
-Banjo-Kazooie
-Black Knight
-Black Shadow
-Medusa
-Rayman

Banjo-Kazooie - I really have no fondness over these characters anymore...
Black Knight - I already said what kind of FE character I'd want above, so...
Black Shadow - F-Zero characters are...eh.
Medusa - Yeah, this one works
Rayman - All his A moves must involve Rabbids, non-negotiable

 

[Luigi The President]

Never gave my full opinion on the Box.

At this point? I don't know. Just don't know if it's true or not.
Could be. Could not.

I don't want it to be real but there's a good chance. But there's also a chance it isn't.
Hm.

 

[Noipoi]

my turn to rate characters:

Geno
Doomguy (my personal fav)
metal sonic (sonic echo)

Geno-HELL YEAH! SUPER MARIO-O RPG! IT IS THE ONLY ONE JUST FOR M-
Doomguy-I literally couldn't care less.
Metal Sonic-Cool.

 

[LetterO]

4. I don't really want him in. If he gets in I'll be happy for those who want him but he just doesn't look like a character who fits in with Smash.

I mean, if they made him work in Marvel vs. Capcom, I'm pretty sure Smash would be no challenge for Phoenix.

 

[Pakky]

Here's a pick list for supper

-CJ (GTA)
- Tifa
- Mai (KOF)
- King Hippo
- The Heavy (TF2)
- Nabbit
-Chun- LI

 

[Iridium]

I'll make a list myself:

Soma Cruz
Chrono
Vincent Valentine
Daroach
Bandana Dee
Saki Amamiya
Ryu Hayabusa
Incineroar
Decidueye
Ninten

Go!

 

[Galaxyman]

btw anyone like my new avatar

 

[Chron]

I think this is the most excited I've ever been for anything. Just humming the Ultimate Main Theme in my head gets me hyped.
Speaking of the Main Theme, I LOVE the music for this game so far, and more than any reasonably likely character, I would rather
have Dialga's Fight to the Finish as one of the Pokemon tracks. I will honestly be one of those people carrying around my Switch
listening to the Smash soundtrack in sleep mode. (I ever used my 3DS as an MP3 player for a while, lol)

 

[StormC]

There would be something darkly humorous if after all the years and arguing, K. Rool is literally the only unique newcomer handpicked from the ballot.

So much for those vocal minorities, eh?

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

I don't think paper mario would sit well with people especially considering the likelihood of only 2 more unique characters left. (Geno first)
We don't need another Mario Kart Situation where there is 4-5 different Marios when characters like Diddy Kong, Bowser Jr. were originally left out.

Edit: Nevermind, don't delete. I derped up.

 

[Luigi The President]

There would be something darkly humorous if after all the years and arguing, K. Rool is literally the only unique newcomer handpicked from the ballot.

So much for those vocal minorities, eh?

Damn, never thought about it that way.

I don't think paper mario would sit well with people especially considering the likelihood of only 2 more unique characters left. (Geno first)
We don't need another Mario Kart Situation where there is 4-5 different Marios when characters like Diddy Kong, Bowser Jr. were originally left out.

Question have you actually played Paper Mario or?
Enlighten me as to why Geno should be in before PM. I love both. But why.

 

[Murlough]

I'll take a spin on that rating characters game.
Rate these characters.

Paper Mario
Funky Kong
Jack Frost
Bandana Dee
Impa

Missed one.
1. Yeah sure. As long as he doesn't play like regular Mario.
2. Heck, yeah.
3.......all I can think of is the guy from the Santa Claus movie and the Jack Frost from the Pixar movie.
4. He should be here. 100% yes.
5. I was more for her in 4. Now I just don't care at all. A Sheik echo would be neat I spose.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

btw anyone like my new avatar

Yeah, that's a YIKES from me.