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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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CosmicQuark

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Rare never owned the characters, and they belong to a japanese series. How are they relevant to banjo at all?

Banjo was never a nintendo character and unless nintendo bought rare he never would be


Uh, yeah, they were Nintendo characters. Look at the top right corner. "ONLY FOR" is specifically there for a reason. And if you're saying they "technically never owned the characters, Rare did", Rare was essentially a second party developer. Are you saying Pokemon aren't Nintendo characters?
 

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Wanting Banjo and Kazooie mainly because you think we need more N64 reps is pretty dumb IMO. The N64 already has plenty of notable representation thanks to OoT and AC.

Now the system that could really use some more reps is actually the DS. We have Lucario and... that's pretty much it.
>the DS deserves it!!!!
>no Virtual Boy reps
Nester in Smash when?
 

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Wanting Banjo and Kazooie mainly because you think we need more N64 reps is pretty dumb IMO. The N64 already has plenty of notable representation thanks to OoT and AC.

Now the system that could really use some more reps is actually the DS. We have Lucario and... that's pretty much it.
Can we get some Virtual Boy rep? They don't have any. :troll:
 

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Lara Croft has the best chance for a western 3rd party character. She's already one step ahead of every other western character by being owned by a Japanese company now as well as the rumor of a 2nd SE rep. The 2nd SE rep is either her or Geno.
 
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Holy crap. After the game actually releases, what are we all going to do with our time?
For me personally, I probably won't take part in speculation much after the full base roster comes out. I'll probably start hanging around characters threads and gameplay threads once the game comes out.

Sure, there's always DLC speculation, but whether or not I have any interest in the DLC depends on who's left on the AT list.
 

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Uh, yeah, they were Nintendo characters. Look at the top right corner. "ONLY FOR" is specifically there for a reason. And if you're saying they "technically never owned the characters, Rare did", Rare was essentially a second party developer. Are you saying Pokemon aren't Nintendo characters?
Maybe I was wrong on that, nintendo apparently owned majority stock in rare before it was sold off to microsoft. But that's not exactly relevant in 2018 anyway
 

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Uh, yeah, they were Nintendo characters. Look at the top right corner. "ONLY FOR" is specifically there for a reason. And if you're saying they "technically never owned the characters, Rare did", Rare was essentially a second party developer. Are you saying Pokemon aren't Nintendo characters?
Are you suggesting James Bond is a Nintendo character?

 

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Wanting Banjo and Kazooie mainly because you think we need more N64 reps is pretty dumb IMO. Ignoring the fact that console representation is a ridiculous foundation for supporting a character, the N64 already has plenty of notable reps thanks to OoT and AC.

Now the system that could really use some more reps is actually the DS. We have Lucario and... that's pretty much it.
Yeah, wanting a DS era character is annoying. They're too new to be Nostalgic for most people, but too old to be relevant. I'm trying to get Mystery Dungeon Grovyle into position to take Geno's place, but it isn't looking good.
 
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Uh, yeah, they were Nintendo characters. Look at the top right corner. "ONLY FOR" is specifically there for a reason. And if you're saying they "technically never owned the characters, Rare did", Rare was essentially a second party developer. Are you saying Pokemon aren't Nintendo characters?
Okay, but can we talk about that poor Jinjo that is LITERALLY scared for his life right now.
 

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Lara Croft has the best chance for a western 3rd party character. She's already one step ahead of every other western character by being owned by a Japanese company now as well as the rumor of a 2nd SE rep. The 2nd SE rep is either her or Geno.
Does lara even count as a western third party anymore if she's owned by square enix? how exactly does that work?

Regardless, as far as western third parties go I think rayman stands the highest chance, he's pretty popular, nintendo has a great relationship with ubisoft, he's a relevant character and he had trophies in smash 4.
 
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Only a few hours away from the next music update. Any guesses? I'll put my money on Animal Crossing or Wario. Maybe a Bayo remix.
 

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Wanting Banjo and Kazooie mainly because you think we need more N64 reps is pretty dumb IMO. Ignoring the fact that console representation is a ridiculous foundation for supporting a character, the N64 already has plenty of notable reps thanks to OoT and AC.

Now the system that could really use some more reps is actually the DS. We have Lucario and... that's pretty much it.
Can we have some more wii u representation? We've just got inklings...Elma please?
 

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Guys it's pretty simple… we must want a character because we love the character. Sakurai is adding characters we love. There are no other rules to determine why we are getting what we've gotten on Ultimate. So let's not make the mistakes all over again of assuming under what rule his choices of newcomers are based on.


Only a few hours away from the next music update. Any guesses? I'll put my money on Animal Crossing or Wario. Maybe a Bayo remix.
at what time does that happen again? I forgot…
 

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A few hours? I don't think it'll be updated by the time I get off work

(Hopefully it's not Mario like those people that hacked the site said)
 
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Yeah, wanting a DS era character is annoying. They're too new to be Nostalgic for most people, but too old to be relevant. I'm trying to get Mystery Dungeon Grovyle into position to take Geno's place, but it isn't looking good.
Aside from Pokemon characters from Gen V (cough, Zoroark) there aren't really many options to choose from. Pretty insane to hear that considering how big the DS was, but it's true. Not many new characters and IPs debuted on that handheld.

Only a few hours away from the next music update. Any guesses? I'll put my money on Animal Crossing or Wario. Maybe a Bayo remix.
I'm guessing it'll be something from a franchise with little hope of receiving a newcomer. WarioWare, Punch-Out!!, EarthBound, and KI are my guesses.
 

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Maybe I was wrong on that, nintendo apparently owned majority stock in rare before it was sold off to microsoft. But that's not exactly relevant in 2018 anyway
Relevancy doesn't necessarily matter. King K Rool wasn't relevant, was dismissed because people considered him a "Western character" despite being owned by Nintendo. These fan rules are being broken one by one, and that's the key point. To many people, Banjo & Kazooie will remain firmly Nintendo characters, regardless of who owns them or how they're used--that's where they began.

Are you suggesting James Bond is a Nintendo character?

I thought about Goldeneye when making my post, but decided it's not the best counter example--James Bond was licensed content from another industry. Also, Sakurai specifically mentioned Goldeneye along with Banjo & Kazooie, talking about how they were off the table for Melee due to "adult reasons." So the possibility was there, however small, thanks to Goldeneye being a major exclusive best seller for Nintendo.
 

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Does lara even count as a western third party anymore if she's owned by square enix? how exactly does that work?

Regardless, as far as western third parties go I think rayman stands the highest chance, he's pretty popular, nintendo has a great relationship with ubisoft, he's a relevant character and he had trophies in smash 4.
Couldn't tell you. Hitman used to be a Squeenix property until IO Interactive managed to just get up and leave their ownership.

Guys it's pretty simple… we must want a character because we love the character. Sakurai is adding characters we love. There are no other rules to determine why we are getting what we've gotten on Ultimate. So let's not make the mistakes all over again of assuming under what rule his choices of newcomers are based on.
Around 9 to 10 o' clock.

That said, the problem is most of the characters I love tend to not make it into Smash Bros...
 

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What character reveal would disappoint you the most in the next Direct?
Incineroar. Not only because we already have lots of pokemon, but because he's a pokemon that I do not prefer.

Aside from that it would change my image of Sakurai since he doesn't strike me as the person who would go for that pokemon pick. (Not saying that's a bad thing, but it's just how I interpret Sakurai.)

Honestly if anything I see them at most being DLC. I can't see them being Base.
I would prefer him to be DLC. Lots of people want him, so he'll be successful on that front. If it is hype, that could also be good marketing for dlc and I personally don't need him to be in the roster.

Taking a fighting game character and putting them in another fighting game just doesn't excite me that much.
Too me, it would be a spiritual thing if this was the voice actor's last work before he died, he could live on in smash. Though I understand if he was excluded since the ballot is priority, and if Sakurai couldn't workout a moveset.
 
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Worst Smash trends that just won't die:
  • "Characters get in to represent arbitrary fan parameters"
  • "Characters can't get in unless I think they have moveset potential"
  • Looking back on newcomer reveals and explaining why a character literally no one expected made a lot of sense and they weren't actually unexpected
  • Doing mental gymnastics to try to justify a character inclusion of a game that has the same merits as a game or character yet to be represented
  • "3rd Party characters need to have legacy"
  • Using the word "deserving" and its variants
 

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I would prefer him to be DLC. Lots of people want him, so he'll be successful on that front. If it is hype, that could also be good marketing for dlc and I personally don't need him to be in the roster.
I mean just imagine the how much money both Nintendo and Microsoft would be getting through DLC. It'd be huge!
 

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Ok I have to go to sleep now. Like this post, as it is a similar way to 'bookmark' a post.

I predict the site will not be updated today or tomorrow.
 

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Lara Croft has the best chance for a western 3rd party character. She's already one step ahead of every other western character by being owned by a Japanese company now as well as the rumor of a 2nd SE rep. The 2nd SE rep is either her or Geno.
Why do you say that? Lara Croft wasn't really requested at all during Super Smash Bros 4 and Square-Enix has more popular series like Dragon Quest, Chrono Trigger, and then Geno. There's also the issue of Lara's most iconic weapons being twin handguns and other similar weaponry. She was also irrelevant for a long time.

Lara Croft is honestly a low priority. I feel Sakurai would use another FF, DQ, CT, etc character before Lara Croft.

Lara's also not nearly as well known in Japan (evidently she's more known as a supermodel then an adventurer there) as she is in the West. So, along with not being heavily requested, I doubt she'll appear.
 
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Couldn't tell you. Hitman used to be a Squeenix property until IO Interactive managed to just get up and leave their ownership.



Around 9 to 10 o' clock.

That said, the problem is most of the characters I love tend to not make it into Smash Bros...
More than a few characters I love that are in Smash, I love thanks to them being in Smash.

Pichu, Jigglypuff, Bowser Jr., Zelda(on her own), Peach(she was just a story prop), Shulk(Never finished his game), Ness/Lucas(Never played Earthbound), Marth and Roy, Game and Watch, ROB, etc.
 
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You guys want a DS rep? Someone who has only ever been on the DS family and is from a game that makes the best use out of the touchscreen? Fine by me
 
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Only a few hours away from the next music update. Any guesses? I'll put my money on Animal Crossing or Wario. Maybe a Bayo remix.
Bayonetta is probably not getting anything new. The numbers from Smash 4 to Ultimate (according to the direct) are unchanged. Some of the Smash 4 tracks could have been dropped, but it’s not looking good.
 
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