Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Chrono.]

Hold up, why is Quote being touted as THE indie guy? Shantae 1 came out in 2002 and Cave Story first released in 2004 so why is Quote so much more important?

Legitimate question here. Not really biased one way or the other cause I like them both but I don't get that comparison. Is it cause Cave Story did better?

Well Cave Story went on to become a bit of an indie icon not long after it came out and Shantae was footnote on the GBC before it resurfaced back with the recent outings.

Thought you could argue that Touhou is the bigger indie of either but... It's Touhou.

 

[Luigi The President]

Kind of a Mary Sue

Most wanted: Boshi

I'm assuming due to the spike of "Boshi vore" fanart he would bring with him?

 

[Will]

Didn’t bother to mention Pong?

Atari is:
1. Not Indie in the slightest
2. Dead

 

[Nethermoosen]

What nightmarish abomination am I looking at?

This is like high level nightmare fuel right here.

Haha. I don’t know. I found it on google. Don’t take it as a serious leak. I just posted it for fun.

 

[Enchess]

Hold up, why is Quote being touted as THE indie guy? Shantae 1 came out in 2002 and Cave Story first released in 2004 so why is Quote so much more important?

Legitimate question here. Not really biased one way or the other cause I like them both but I don't get that comparison. Is it cause Cave Story did better?

That, and Cave Story really embodies the whole indie story. Just one guy working for 5 yrs doing everything himself. Shantae at least had like a legit company and distribution. I doubt your average person seeing Shantae in the store realized there was any difference between it and non-indie games. Cave Story on the other hand you download of a homemade website for free.

TL;DR - The story of Cave Story's development speaks more to people's sense of what it means to be indie. One hobbyist, doing it all without resources, releasing for free just happy to have people play, then exploding so much in popularity that over 10 yrs later it's still getting ports and now even gets physical releases.

 

[Chrono.]

So, this isn't superly Smash related but...

What DOES Arlo's puppeteer look like? It's been bothering me for awhile that I've never seen a picture of the guy.

Arlo is a sentient puppet we all know this.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Shantae is only popular thanks to band wagon (?)

It would be funny... But I imagine that I would get the most uninspired answers because of the character xD

Most Wanted: Micaiah

Uh um..... Micaiah, more like "She'll never be in, yah?"

Boshi

Boshi? more like "BOOOOOooooooooo sheeeeit"
Sorry man

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Until we wait for another """"""""""leak"""""""""" howbout if we play a little game?
We write down our most wanted character to be in Smash. and then others have to roast it

Smells like roast in here

Most wanted: Shantae

Wait... who?

My most wanted:
Paper Mario. Come get me gang.

Spoiler

Black Shadow from F-Zero, but this one. Not the wimpy baby GX one. The Chad GP/Climax one.

I'll let Captain Falcon do this one:

Spoiler

Most wanted: Skull Kid

 

[Luigi The President]

That, and Cave Story really embodies the whole indie story. Just one guy working for 5 yrs doing everything himself. Shantae at least had like a legit company and distribution. I doubt your average person seeing Shantae in the store realized there was any difference between it and non-indie games. Cave Story on the other hand you download of a homemade website for free.

TL;DR - The story of Cave Story's development speaks more to people's sense of what it means to be indie. One hobbyist, doing it all without resources, releasing for free just happy to have people play, then exploding so much in popularity that over 10 yrs later it's still getting ports and now even gets physical releases.

That ain't a TL;DR Ench

 

[Heracr055]

Can we keep the "leak" posts in a separate thread, in order to filter the discussion here? It seems irrelevant and a waste of space. At least keeping each leak recorded with status (ie disproven) in a dedicated thread would help people find which ones they care about easier (not to mention maintaining a nice structure).

 

[Idon]

Hold up, why is Quote being touted as THE indie guy? Shantae 1 came out in 2002 and Cave Story first released in 2004 so why is Quote so much more important?

Legitimate question here. Not really biased one way or the other cause I like them both but I don't get that comparison. Is it cause Cave Story did better?

Well, first of all, you have to remember "THE indie guy" is a debatable title to have, so you'll have to take it with a grain of salt.

But there's a number of reasons why people especially like Quote (and Curly Brace).

• He was created by a singular person over 5 years' worth of work.
• It's entirely self-published, so other companies "giving it a helping hand" isn't a factor.
• He released his game free, on the internet, for everyone to play, meaning all it took for you to experience the game was a PC.
• The game released pretty much everywhere, and even without a language patch, the gameplay itself could still be enjoyed.
• The game itself is massive, with tons of secrets, and increasingly difficult areas, something that's really unprecedented for a free game made in 2004. This combined with the fact that ports and rereleases and remakes of it have given it more content on top of it.
• The game's influence on other indies and gaming as a whole can be clearly seen.
• And above all else, it's just a really fun game, that's stood the test of time.

Now, if we were to argue indie history, I'm going to say Reimu Hakurei of the Touhou franchise is THE indie gal.
She's made by one dude fueled by alcohol and anime girls, all the way back in 1996.
Before "indie" was even a concept, this man was developing and defining a genre by HIMSELF, on the PC-98.
And boy oh boy has Touhou grown to be a massive behemoth in Japan. The only thing stopping Touhou from taking over the world and the creator being maybe the richest man over there is that he just likes working alone and drinking beer.
The fans themselves are complete total maniacs too. They've practically repurposed Touhou into every kind of videogame genre you could think of.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Atari is:
1. Not Indie in the slightest
2. Dead

The first “pong” game was invented by William Higinbotham in 1958 and had nothing to do with Atari.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Skull Kid

Skull kid? more like "Dull Kid"

 

[Chrono.]

All the Cave Story talk put me in the mood to play it again.

I should actually buy it this time, as I've only played a homebrew port of the original for PSP like years ago.

 

[Zinith]

I'm assuming due to the spike of "Boshi vore" fanart he would bring with him?

THAT'S a roast. No one can top that for Boshi!!!

 

[Enchess]

That ain't a TL;DR Ench

Yeah, I was going to go back and add paragraphs talking about it's influence in other games which are popular in their own right, like Iconoclasts, but then I was lazy and didn't and forgot to remove the "TL;DR" haha

Edit: also "Ench" is definitely a new one. Reminds me of a time a classmate in high school realized I had never had a nickname before and tried to make one. He ended up with "The Boa". It didn't catch on.

 

[NintenZ]

Haha. I don’t know. I found it on google. Don’t take it as a serious leak. I just posted it for fun.

Trust me, I’m less curious about it being a leak as much as I am about where it’s from.

 

[PSIguy89]

Having caught up on roughly 100+ pages...were *any* of these recent leaks remotely plausible?

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Can we keep the "leak" posts in a separate thread, in order to filter the discussion here? It seems irrelevant and a waste of space. At least keeping each leak recorded with status (ie disproven) in a dedicated thread would help people find which ones they care about easier (not to mention maintaining a nice structure).

Take that one up with Cyn . As far as I know it's expressly forbidden. We had something like that for Sm4sh speculation and it worked horribly. It's why I've operated out of this thread for the last three or so months.

 

[Chrono.]

Having caught up on roughly 100+ pages...were *any* of these recent leaks remotely plausible?

Not in the slightest.

 

[BluePikmin11]

That, and Cave Story really embodies the whole indie story. Just one guy working for 5 yrs doing everything himself. Shantae at least had like a legit company and distribution. I doubt your average person seeing Shantae in the store realized there was any difference between it and non-indie games. Cave Story on the other hand you download of a homemade website for free.

TL;DR - The story of Cave Story's development speaks more to people's sense of what it means to be indie. One hobbyist, doing it all without resources, releasing for free just happy to have people play, then exploding so much in popularity that over 10 yrs later it's still getting ports and now even gets physical releases.

That and Quote being a Japanese indie icon whose game is widely praised worldwide, he is the indie with the best chance to get in Smash. Although for me personally, I do not think we will be getting indies at all. We will probably see all indies as Assists and/or trophies.

 

[Deleted member]

Sorry if this has been posted before:

https://twitter.com/LepyPepy/status/1036067694389485568?s=19

Thank god. Also, anything of note that I missed other than the huge fake leak rush this afternoon?

 

[Idon]

Having caught up on roughly 100+ pages...were *any* of these recent leaks remotely plausible?

"eeeeh.... naaaah"

 

[Dixie Kong]

Was Boshi the offspring of Yoshi and Birdo?

 

[Luigi The President]

Yeah, I was going to go back and add paragraphs talking about it's influence in other games which are popular in their own right, like Iconoclasts, but then I was lazy and didn't and forgot to remove the "TL;DR" haha

Edit: also "Ench" is definitely a new one. Reminds me of a time a classmate in high school realized I had never had a nickname before and tried to make one. He ended up with "The Boa". It didn't catch on.

I agree with you though! Cave Story's great.

I just like nicknaming! Ench rolls off the tongue.

Having caught up on roughly 100+ pages...were *any* of these recent leaks remotely plausible?

Nah fam

 

[lizard1929]

Can we just declare all leaks and footage fake until December 7th.
Edit: Excluding official directs

 

[DarkShadow20]

Take that one up with Cyn . As far as I know it's expressly forbidden. We had something like that for Sm4sh speculation and it worked horribly. It's why I've operated out of this thread for the last three or so months.

Was that a topic, or are you talking about the leaks group? I liked that.

 

[Luigi The President]

Can we just declare all leaks and footage fake until December 7th.

Imagine if we did that for Smash 4, until October 4th.
Now recall what happened then?

 

[ZenythSmash]

Hey, if we're talking indie reps. I'm going to hard-push Cave Story

QUOTE AND CURLY FOR SMASH, GUYS.

man, if only Nicalis isn't being gutter trash atm
i don't want Sakurai to take their cruddy spinoff/CS3D models for a trophy, please god no

 

[WertQuadNine]

Most wanted: Skull Kid

Like Batman, people care about him when he puts on the mask.
Unlike Batman, he's literally a block of wood underneath.

My most wanted: Sora (shoes are off-limits, too easy)

 

[Noipoi]

Smells like roast in here



Wait... who?

Spoiler

I'll let Captain Falcon do this one:

Spoiler

Most wanted: Skull Kid

Skull Kid's a whiny brat who's so simple minded a flat piece of wood took over his mind and almost used him to destroy the world.
the only person who thinks he's funny is himself.
The Giants left him all alone for a reason.


Most Wanted: Incineroar

 

[Enchess]

I agree with you though! Cave Story's great.

I just like nicknaming! Ench rolls off the tongue.


Nah fam

It does, it just weirds me out since "Enchess" is a self-made nickname derived from my real one in the first place, so "Ench" is a nickname of a nickname.

 

[Luigi The President]

Smells like roast in here



Wait... who?

Spoiler

I'll let Captain Falcon do this one:

Spoiler

Most wanted: Skull Kid

You gonna tell me about how he ACTUALLY won that one poll back in the pre-Smash 4 days so he's probably an instant lock due to being the ABSOLUTE MOST ADORED Zelda character not in the game and how Majora's Mask DESERVES REPRESENTATION over all these other stupid characters?
If so go ahead that's what the majority do here.

(for the record...I want him too!)

 

[Zinith]

Was Boshi the offspring of Yoshi and Birdo?

*shrugs* Could be. In my headcannon I think of him as the Blue Yoshi in Yoshi's Island that didn't take too kindly to getting snubbed from being the hero that defeated Baby Bowser (Blue Yoshi was always the 8th stage Yoshi EXCEPT the last one) and decided to become a ******* in response...

Can we just declare all leaks and footage fake until December 7th.
Edit: Excluding official directs

My motto...

 

[Idon]

man, if only Nicalis isn't being gutter trash atm
i don't want Sakurai to take their cruddy spinoff/CS3D models for a trophy, please god no

God, I hope not

Yeesh

Either go with his cute chibi design

Or his anime'd design

 

[Nazyrus]

Skull kid? more like "Dull Kid"

Lloyd

 

[Noipoi]

God, I hope not

Yeesh

Either go with his cute chibi design

Or his anime'd design

I'd prefer the Chibi one.
Also, I bought Cave Story two months ago and I still haven't beat it because it's hard.
Either that or I suck .

 

[Idon]

I'd prefer the Chibi one.
Also, I bought Cave Story two months ago and I still haven't beat it because it's hard.
Either that or I suck .

Nah man.
It's hard.

And BOY, DOES IT GET EVEN HARDER.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Like Batman, people care about him when he puts on the mask.
Unlike Batman, he's literally a block of wood underneath.

My most wanted: Sora (shoes are off-limits, too easy)

I'll join the fray with you guys.

Most Wanted: Banjo-Kazooie (Now that K. Rool and Ridley are revealed)

 

[staindgrey]

Most Wanted: Incineroar

Where to even start.

You look like a Skylanders reject.

We already have a fire-breathing pokemon that people like.

If we really needed a grappler, we'd just get Zangief. He's way less silly looking.

...

*ahem*


Most wanted: Midna + Wolf Link