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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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StormC

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One gets the impression Brawl and Smash 4's development were hindered by both the Subspace Emissary and the 3DS version respectively.

I guess you could argue Everyone Is Here ate into the development time significantly but that was the creative choice for the roster this time around.
 

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Has anyone talked about this one yet? Apparently it's Rayman in the clouds:
To me it looks like one of the chorus kids singing but with an ape escape light on his head... Chorus kids and spike confirmed for next direct? ;)
 

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Welp, if Rayman is next, I'm not even mad


Rayman would be a great reveal for the next Direct
 

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Doesn’t he have a look-alike in the cutscenes? I mean, it is a separate character, but, kinda close enough, right?
But yeah, he didn’t even have a look-alike in Black Knight IIRC.
They're alternate reality doppelgängers apparently.

(It is kinda weird that Normal Tails isn’t playable in Black Knight’s multiplayer when a lot of the other normal equivalents of other characters are playable in that, though...)
For some reason, Amy is playable but not Tails. Weird.
 

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Who do you guys think would be announced next, from the following, maximum 2 uniques and 2 echoes:
Uniques:
Elma
Incineroar/other Gen 7
Chorus Kids
Bandana Waddle Dee
Isaac
Rayman
Skull Kid
Bandai Namco 2nd rep
Square Enix 2nd rep (may be Geno or someone else)

Echoes:
Shadow
Ken
Isabelle
Dixie
Impa
Black Shadow

I’m betting on Elma and Isabelle for sure, one of either a Gen 7, Waddle Dee or Chorus Kids for the 2nd unique, and either Ken, Shadow or Dixie for the 2nd Echo.

My reasoning for Elma being she was revealed as Xenoblade 2 DLC last week, and September is when Torna The Golden Country launches in full.
 
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I'm gonna be that one idiot on the forum and say that we are gonna get more newcomers than we expect.
I've said this before but Smash Ultimate has a longer Dev time (3 years vs 2.5 on Smash 4) without Sakurai having to start from scratch on an engine.

Watch the next direct drop 10-15 characters on us. WATCH:D
While I agree that people are being too pessimistic with their predictions, 10-15 characters is a bit on the high side.

Personally, I'm still banking on 10 unique newcomers, give or take one or two. Anything less and anything more is out of my comfort zone.

One gets the impression Brawl and Smash 4's development were hindered by both the Subspace Emissary and the 3DS version respectively.

I guess you could argue Everyone Is Here ate into the development time significantly but that was the creative choice for the roster this time around.
I don't think the vets ate up much development time. Aside from the fact that their entire moveset was already mapped out, three of them were similar to an existing character.

If something was responsible for taking up too much development time, my money is on the stages. I'm glad so many favorites are returning, but I'm not sure if I'd want them if I knew they stopped other characters from getting in.
 

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Yoshi fans would throw a fit if they did otherwise (the voice itself, that is, said voice clips not having been updated a bit is pretty lazy, you'd think they'd at least ask Totaka about borrowing the modern ones). Besides, the dinos are too cute for this sort of thing, whereas Bowser and Donkey Kong (and now K. Rool) are firece-looking beasts, so them having growling noises is somewhat natural for them. I'll give you Diddy though, but I don't mind it.
In Smash 64, Melee, and Brawl, the realistic voice clips that Donkey Kong and Bowser had may make sense, but as of Smash 3DS / Wii U and Smash Ultimate, not so much.

As for King K. Rool, the last person to voice him was Toshihide Tsuchiya, who also voices Funky Kong.
 

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While that's a ludicrous amount left, you also forgot that there's no second version to take into account either this time
Semi joking of course but yep, it is very possible there's just more than we think simply due to having more time to work on the actual game.

Just been thinking about how they shocked us in May with the "Everyone is Here!" and how most of us thought even that was impossible. I personally think the "Ultimate" title also includes newcomers, in that Ultimate will add more newcomers than any other game (including echoes). But it's a personal thought that I'd never argue with anyone cause it sounds ridiculous like "every character returning" did for years.
 

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Who do you guys think would be announced next, from the following, maximum 2 uniques and 2 echoes:
Uniques:
Elma
Incineroar/other Gen 7
Chorus Kids
Bandana Waddle Dee
Isaac
Rayman
Skull Kid
Bandai Namco 2nd rep
Square Enix 2nd rep (may be Geno or someone else)

Echoes:
Shadow
Ken
Isabelle
Dixie
Impa
Black Shadow

I’m betting on Elma and Isabelle for sure, one of either a Gen 7, Waddle Dee or Chorus Kids for the 2nd unique, and either Ken, Shadow or Dixie for the 2nd Echo.

My reasoning for Elma being she was revealed as Xenoblade 2 DLC last week, and September is when Torna The Golden Country launches in full.
>you can only have two of each!
>posts nine unique and six echoes
my brain hurts
 

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Counting echoes, I still believe we got a healthy amount of 6 to 9 characters left.

And I still believe we're getting a Season Pass announced before the game comes out, that's just how Nintendo works now.
 

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And I still believe we're getting a Season Pass announced before the game comes out, that's just how Nintendo works now.
Eugh, you're gonna make me vomit. What would it even have included?
 

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Really, I wonder what would even be the point unless there is a story mode and people just really want to spoil those cutscenes.

We'll probably know everything by mid October, or early November at the latest. People only leak for the attention. What would they really get out of "Here's some more footage of stuff you already know about"?
You just answered your own question.
 

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I never understand why leaks have to keep using blury images. Just upload a normal screenshot, a render, or a gameplay video
 

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We're doing "X is in the clouds" again?
Please tell me it's satire, I'm not strong enough to go through that again...
We hit the bottom of the barrel so hard with the damn chairs, that I think we've reset and we circled back to clouds.
 
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Counting echoes, I still believe we got a healthy amount of 6 to 9 characters left.

And I still believe we're getting a Season Pass announced before the game comes out, that's just how Nintendo works now.
As long as it gets announced a couple of weeks or months ahead of release.

Tired of games like Soul Calibur already announcing DLC before the game is even out. You could say Smash 4 did that to an extent with Mewtwo, but he was revealed as a downloadable bonus for people who bought both versions. Even then he was announced as DLC months after.
 
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Counting echoes, I still believe we got a healthy amount of 6 to 9 characters left.

And I still believe we're getting a Season Pass announced before the game comes out, that's just how Nintendo works now.
Yup, if not a big base roster, I can see it having healthy DLC support/more support than 4s
 

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In Smash 64, Melee, and Brawl, the realistic voice clips that Donkey Kong and Bowser had may make sense, but as of Smash 3DS / Wii U and Smash Ultimate, not so much.

As for King K. Rool, the last person to voice him was Toshihide Tsuchiya, who also voices Funky Kong.
If they give Dixie (provided she does show up) random chimp noises, it'll officially be a grandfather clause by this point.



I thought we as a community were done trying to find answers in the clouds.


It's 2018, we all about chairs now. :p
We can't officially declare the chairs a fan delusion until the next Directs air. They're simultaneously clues and not clues before then. Besides, those still beat trying to look for clues in unambiguous gameplay footage.
 

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Semi joking of course but yep, it is very possible there's just more than we think simply due to having more time to work on the actual game.

Just been thinking about how they shocked us in May with the "Everyone is Here!" and how most of us thought even that was impossible. I personally think the "Ultimate" title also includes newcomers, in that Ultimate will add more newcomers than any other game (including echoes). But it's a personal thought that I'd never argue with anyone cause it sounds ridiculous like "every character returning" did for years.
My theory is that "Ultimate" means that this time around, nobody is left behind. Not just vets, but glaring holes are going to be plugged across the board.

Just think about it:
* Ridley and K. Rool rounding out some of the more notable villains, with the latter doing so incredibly conspicuously.
* Chrom filling out the core Awakening cast.
* Dark Samus explicitly representing the Prime series.
* Daisy being added so you could "play as your favorite Princess."
* Simon Belmont adding to the classic NES icons, with Richter there to showcase how the Belmonts have evolved.
* Lots of assist trophies from pretty much every series.

I really think this is going to be the game where villains and side characters shine. We're going to see picks like Isabelle, Ken, Tails, Skull Kid, Shadow, Geno, Elma, and all the rest rather than pulling in tons of new IPs and honestly I think it's better off for it. This looks to be the comprehensive Smash in every sense of the word.

I expect quite a bunch.
 
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Who do you guys think would be announced next, from the following, maximum 2 uniques and 2 echoes:
Uniques:
Elma
Incineroar/other Gen 7
Chorus Kids
Bandana Waddle Dee
Isaac
Rayman
Skull Kid
Bandai Namco 2nd rep
Square Enix 2nd rep (may be Geno or someone else)

Echoes:
Shadow
Ken
Isabelle
Dixie
Impa
Black Shadow

I’m betting on Elma and Isabelle for sure, one of either a Gen 7, Waddle Dee or Chorus Kids for the 2nd unique, and either Ken, Shadow or Dixie for the 2nd Echo.

My reasoning for Elma being she was revealed as Xenoblade 2 DLC last week, and September is when Torna The Golden Country launches in full.
I think Rayman and Shadow are shoo-in, would be surprised if they didn't make it in.
Rayman because he had 3 trophies in Wii U, and Shadow because no A.T. has been shown.
 

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I never understand why leaks have to keep using blury images. Just upload a normal screenshot, a render, or a gameplay video
If the leak is fake, as the majority of them are, poor quality images theoretically hide imperfections in the image (but people find them anyway, so...)
 

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I'm laughing remembering when people suggested that there were only 1 or 2 newcomers left after E3, or possibly even no more at all.

Sakurai said "I'm kind of hoping you aren't expecting too many new challengers," not "you get veterans, Inkling, and Ridley, now leave me alone."
 
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I'm laughing remembering when people suggested that there were only 1 or 2 newcomers left after E3, or possibly even no more at all.
Nobody was expecting no one, right?

I mean what kind of Smash would have 2 newcomers only?
 

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Nobody was expecting no one, right?

I mean what kind of Smash would have 2 newcomers only?
You'd be surprised dude. People were legit worried that this was "it," or at the very least, we would not see anything until November or something.

Presumably people who have no idea how marketing works, and/or this is their first Smash speculation cycle.
 

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How about it's just a cloud? Not everything you see in anything Smash related is a hint.
It isn’t just a cloud. It is a deliberately crafted cloud. It’s not like this is just a naturally occurring cloud that just happens to look this way so it can simply be ignored.
I get chairs, fake leaks and all that being easy to dismiss, but after Pac-Man cloud, we’re just going to ignore this? Cowards.
 

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Wasn’t there a leak from idk, I think Laura Kate Dale, that the Switch would get Smash (I don’t remember if it said new or port) and ONLY two characters absent from 4 would be in it? They didn’t say either veteran or newcomer, just character

My my my how the turn tables
 

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Nobody was expecting no one, right?

I mean what kind of Smash would have 2 newcomers only?
You'd be surprised at how many topics there were on places like GameFAQs calling people stupid for not believing that we were just getting Ridley and Daisy and that it was still a port.

Double surprised at how many were sincere about it.
 

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I'm laughing remembering when people suggested that there were only 1 or 2 newcomers left after E3, or possibly even no more at all.

Sakurai said "I'm kind of hoping you aren't expecting too many new challengers," not "you get veterans, Inkling, and Ridley, now leave me alone."
I still laugh at people taking seriously the "don't expect too many newcomers", when clearly sakurai even made the comedic pause after saying that and all, plus, whoever knows this man, he would never say that seriously.
 

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I'm laughing remembering when people suggested that there were only 1 or 2 newcomers left after E3, or possibly even no more at all.

Sakurai said "I'm kind of hoping you aren't expecting too many new challengers," not "you get veterans, Inkling, and Ridley, now leave me alone."
Wow guess ridley really blew their minds
 
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Who do you guys think would be announced next, from the following, maximum 2 uniques and 2 echoes:
Uniques:
Elma
Incineroar/other Gen 7
Chorus Kids
Bandana Waddle Dee
Isaac
Rayman
Skull Kid
Bandai Namco 2nd rep
Square Enix 2nd rep (may be Geno or someone else)

Echoes:
Shadow
Ken
Isabelle
Dixie
Impa
Black Shadow

I’m betting on Elma and Isabelle for sure, one of either a Gen 7, Waddle Dee or Chorus Kids for the 2nd unique, and either Ken, Shadow or Dixie for the 2nd Echo.

My reasoning for Elma being she was revealed as Xenoblade 2 DLC last week, and September is when Torna The Golden Country launches in full.
Chorus Kids (personal bias) and Skull Kid, as well as Shadow and Isabelle
 

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Nobody was expecting no one, right?

I mean what kind of Smash would have 2 newcomers only?
The Smash 3DS demo. I mean, it kind of technically is a standalone Smash game, especially if you have the special infinite use version.
 

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Nobody was expecting no one, right?

I mean what kind of Smash would have 2 newcomers only?
Some folks REALLY took Sakurai's E3 comment to heart. No joke.

I saw some topics of FAQs saying that we were probably done with characters and Ridley was the "swan song." And even other folks like the GameXplain crew thought we were only getting 2 more characters, 3 at most.
 

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Wasn’t there a leak from idk, I think Laura Kate Dale, that the Switch would get Smash (I don’t remember if it said new or port) and ONLY two characters absent from 4 would be in it? They didn’t say either veteran or newcomer, just character

My my my how the turn tables
I'm pretty sure Laura kate dale also said the first pokemon game on the Switch would be Pokemon Stars.

I don't trust Laura Kate Dale.
 
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