Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Enchess]

I finally got my brother to give me some info
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76946889?page=1

Ok, I'll bite. Ask him what version control and bug tracking software Nintendo uses.

 

[TheYungLink]

Spoiler: I'd like to say something for my first post. It's long so I've collapsed it, you don't have to read the whole thing if it doesn't interest you so skip past it if you feel like it

Hello everyone. I know some people want to move past it already but I'd like to say that everyone banding together the last 10 or so pages really moved me.

I used to have an account about 4 years ago, and for privacy's sake I won't say what it is, just that I abandoned it around 2014. The reason being that GooberGrape happened and this site suddenly became infested with Vivian James and Pepe the Frog avatars. What this meant was that a horrifying amount of people either weren't taking GooberGrape seriously (I'm not using the incident's real name but you know what I'm talking about) or knew what it was and sided with the worst people on the internet. It's when I decided to leave permanently and just go into a private Discord server with the friends I'd made on the site in the first place.

However, those friends, mostly male and with almost no women, didn't take the incident seriously either, which should have been a warning sign, but at the time they were my only friends and I wasn't ready to face reality at the time. Eventually, after a couple of years in the server, one of them on Twitter made a transphobic joke using the slur "tr*p".

By this point, I had made a brand new group of friends on the side, separate from this one, and many of them were transgender and opened my eyes to their plight, which I shamefully never even considered before. Also, several of the new friends I'd made in this new group were women, further expanding my empathy. Finally, I decided that it was only fair to confront this other friend about the slur they used.

Though I thought of them as a good friend, capable of being better, my attempt to get them to reconsider their usage of a very harmful word ended disastrously because they got very angry that I was trying to "change their behavior" based on my "momentary offense" since they were only "being dank." They manipulated me into feeling bad about my getting them to reflect on themselves and how what they said could harm others, intentionally or unintentionally. They got the final word on and told me that they absolutely weren't gonna read my last plea to get them to reconsider because they (a cishet white dude) had lived a hard life and dealt with whatever crap life threw at them so why should anyone feel like an "exception"?

Which was utter bullcrap. This former friend had indeed lived a hard life, but it was never gonna be as hard as people with a different gender, sexuality, or race than him. These people get to feel like an """exception""" because they f***ing ARE, which no one is allowed to deny because their very humanity is pushed down by others simply for BEING. I had enough and decided, on the spot, to ghost him and the rest of my old group of friends, who I had begun to suspect were enabling him and who I knew were still posting Pepe the Frog memes despite knowing the dark new context he had been thrust into. I left the server, my old account, and quietly unfriended all of them on the 3DS and Wii U friends lists.

So you're probably wondering why I'm bringing all of this up, and it's pretty simple. It's because, since that old group of friends had turned out to be people I no longer wanted part of, it meant that the last part of Smashboards I liked had become bad, too. This old group was the one nice thing to come out of my previous time here and all this solidified that I never, ever wanted to come back to this site.

A year later, however, I'd been feeling wistful for Smash talk ever since Ultimate got announced back in March. Here's the problem though--my new group of friends, as wonderful and kind and amazing and educational as they are to me, who I will infinitely treasure more than the old group--well they're not as big on the series, and some of them outright hate Smash lol. I don't think any lesser of them for it. As a result though, the fevered discussion on Smash I used to have with my old group wasn't something I could participate in with my new group. All I knew was that I was never going back to the old group ever again, so that left me with few options for getting all my Smash hype out.

So I decided to lurk in these forums for a while. Just to...see what people were saying on a place that wasn't Twitter.

And what luck, I managed to catch, in my lurking, the beautiful display of humanity and empathy toward transgender people AND users being very anti GooberGrape, showing as appropriately little forgiveness toward those who would demean others for being who they are as I had.

It was all I wanted. Smashboards had been redeemed by a great amount, if not totally (it looks like Pepe the Frog avatars are still around, but thankfully they're less plentiful). This website no longer felt like it was occupied by a bunch of covert 4chan sh*theads.

All of this is to say that, while this is my first post on a new account, I've actually been around for a while. And, at least until Smash Ultimate comes out or any post-release DLC ends, I'm happy to rejoin in the Smash hype I love so much.

It's great to be back.

I just made up this profile name on the spot since I thought it was funny, but since we have 4 Marths, would anyone be okay if we got a 4th Link as an Echo Fighter (NOT a half-clone, that would take too much work and ruin the appeal of an Echo Fighter)? I'm thinking we could have a Young Link Echo Fighter based on the Link from A Link to the Past and A Link Between Worlds. It could be as simple as Dark Samus, where so far only the animations and elemental effects look different, with maybe a different dodge since ALttP Link can't roll like the other Links. This Link's Master Sword could be golden and they'd have the Mirror Shield as well, and replace Young Link's Fire Arrows with Silver Arrows, but still have the Boomerang, Bombs, and Hookshot of Young Link.

Just thought I'd throw it out there. Other Echo Fighters are more likely and to be honest more interesting than yet another Link, but I thought it'd be neat, and this way I'd have the Link from my favorite Zelda game as a playable character. I'm nonetheless looking forward to Dixie Kong, Shadow, and a few other likely Echo Fighters.

 

[Deleted member]

Ok, I'll bite. Ask him what version control and bug tracking software Nintendo uses.

He dosen't know but he helps out with designing move animations any questions about that??

 

[Enchess]

He dosen't know but he helps out with designing move animations any questions about that??

Ok, I'm calling BS then. I don't believe someone who works on animation wouldn't know that info.

 

[Noipoi]

Waluigi won't get in Smash until he gets into a proper game. He also won't get into WarioWare either. Best chance he'll ever get is if there's a new Wario Land game, though I admit a Wario & Waluigi game sounds neat. Maybe there could be a 6th M&L game where you have to use both sets of bros, sorta like how BIS alternated between the Bros and Bowser. Or just make all four of them playable at the same time (that totally won't get too chaotic, I promise. I have personal experience. Heh)

And while we're on the subject of WarioWare, it does indeed make sense for it to get a new rep in Ultimate. Nintendo's been pushing Gold quite a bit, and it's got some pretty consistent sales numbers too. The two options that do make the most sense would be Mona (who would fight with all the various wacky microgame elements), or Kat & Ana (who would obviously be a duo character like the icies, but with ninja stuff instead of hammers and ice). I'd personally be fine with either option (tho I'd prefer the twins).

Also, right now, Kat & Ana honestly are looking pretty likely. I guess the same could be said of several missing Assist Trophies, but I've got a gut feeling that they might just make the cut this time around. Try checking out the thread supporting them. Some very good and interesting points were made.

I'm gonna be honest with you, buddy.
these were the exact same points made for Ashley a month ago.
Could they still happen? of course. Nothings impossible, but it'd be wise to lower your expectations.

 

[Deleted member]

Please refrain from posting obviously fake leaks and trying to pass them off as fact. That's a moddable offense.

why do people keep saying it's fake?

 

[Koopaul]

Like Duck Hunt where it’s a duo, but not something like Ice Climbers with a second AI or something like Luma

How would that even work? Are they connected together and share one hurtbox? Does one character summon the other character like Peach summons Toad? If they aren't connected like Duck Hunt then one of the characters needs it's own AI. Otherwise how is it that both characters can figure out the environment they are fighting on.like if 9-Volt gets knocked in one direction and 18-Volt gets knocked in another. One of them needs to be computer controlled to return

It distresses me greatly that people want Waluigi in WarioWare. Nononono, get your own game don't mooch off Wario's.

It wouldn't really be mooching. Luigi himself appears in all sorts of Mario games. Is Luigi mooching off of Mario? The fact is that Waluigi has strong ties with Wario... for obvious reasons. So him starring in a Wario-centric game would not be much of a stretch.

Heck Wario starred in Dr. Mario 64. These series crossover all the time.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

Daisy? Personality? Is it possible to use those two words in a sentence together?!

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Spoiler: I'd like to say something for my first post. It's long so I've collapsed it, you don't have to read the whole thing if it doesn't interest you so skip past it if you feel like it

Hello everyone. I know some people want to move past it already but I'd like to say that everyone banding together the last 10 or so pages really moved me.

I used to have an account about 4 years ago, and for privacy's sake I won't say what it is, just that I abandoned it around 2014. The reason being that GooberGrape happened and this site suddenly became infested with Vivian James and Pepe the Frog avatars. What this meant was that a horrifying amount of people either weren't taking GooberGrape seriously (I'm not using the incident's real name but you know what I'm talking about) or knew what it was and sided with the worst people on the internet. It's when I decided to leave permanently and just go into a private Discord server with the friends I'd made on the site in the first place.

However, those friends, mostly male and with almost no women, didn't take the incident seriously either, which should have been a warning sign, but at the time they were my only friends and I wasn't ready to face reality at the time. Eventually, after a couple of years in the server, one of them on Twitter made a transphobic joke using the slur "tr*p".

By this point, I had made a brand new group of friends on the side, separate from this one, and many of them were transgender and opened my eyes to their plight, which I shamefully never even considered before. Also, several of the new friends I'd made in this new group were women, further expanding my empathy. Finally, I decided that it was only fair to confront this other friend about the slur they used.

Though I thought of them as a good friend, capable of being better, my attempt to get them to reconsider their usage of a very harmful word ended disastrously because they got very angry that I was trying to "change their behavior" based on my "momentary offense" since they were only "being dank." They manipulated me into feeling bad about my getting them to reflect on themselves and how what they said could harm others, intentionally or unintentionally. They got the final word on and told me that they absolutely weren't gonna read my last plea to get them to reconsider because they (a cishet white dude) had lived a hard life and dealt with whatever crap life threw at them so why should anyone feel like an "exception"?

Which was utter bullcrap. This former friend had indeed lived a hard life, but it was never gonna be as hard as people with a different gender, sexuality, or race than him. These people get to feel like an """exception""" because they f***ing ARE, which no one is allowed to deny because their very humanity is pushed down by others simply for BEING. I had enough and decided, on the spot, to ghost him and the rest of my old group of friends, who I had begun to suspect were enabling him and who I knew were still posting Pepe the Frog memes despite knowing the dark new context he had been thrust into. I left the server, my old account, and quietly unfriended all of them on the 3DS and Wii U friends lists.

So you're probably wondering why I'm bringing all of this up, and it's pretty simple. It's because, since that old group of friends had turned out to be people I no longer wanted part of, it meant that the last part of Smashboards I liked had become bad, too. This old group was the one nice thing to come out of my previous time here and all this solidified that I never, ever wanted to come back to this site.

A year later, however, I'd been feeling wistful for Smash talk ever since Ultimate got announced back in March. Here's the problem though--my new group of friends, as wonderful and kind and amazing and educational as they are to me, who I will infinitely treasure more than the old group--well they're not as big on the series, and some of them outright hate Smash lol. I don't think any lesser of them for it. As a result though, the fevered discussion on Smash I used to have with my old group wasn't something I could participate in with my new group. All I knew was that I was never going back to the old group ever again, so that left me with few options for getting all my Smash hype out.

So I decided to lurk in these forums for a while. Just to...see what people were saying on a place that wasn't Twitter.

And what luck, I managed to catch, in my lurking, the beautiful display of humanity and empathy toward transgender people AND users being very anti GooberGrape, showing as appropriately little forgiveness toward those who would demean others for being who they are as I had.

It was all I wanted. Smashboards had been redeemed by a great amount, if not totally (it looks like Pepe the Frog avatars are still around, but thankfully they're less plentiful). This website no longer felt like it was occupied by a bunch of covert 4chan sh*theads.

All of this is to say that, while this is my first post on a new account, I've actually been around for a while. And, at least until Smash Ultimate comes out or any post-release DLC ends, I'm happy to rejoin in the Smash hype I love so much.

It's great to be back.

I just made up this profile name on the spot since I thought it was funny, but since we have 4 Marths, would anyone be okay if we got a 4th Link as an Echo Fighter (NOT a half-clone, that would take too much work and ruin the appeal of an Echo Fighter)? I'm thinking we could have a Young Link Echo Fighter based on the Link from A Link to the Past and A Link Between Worlds. It could be as simple as Dark Samus, where so far only the animations and elemental effects look different, with maybe a different dodge since ALttP Link can't roll like the other Links. This Link's Master Sword could be golden and they'd have the Mirror Shield as well, and replace Young Link's Fire Arrows with Silver Arrows, but still have the Boomerang, Bombs, and Hookshot of Young Link.

Just thought I'd throw it out there. Other Echo Fighters are more likely and to be honest more interesting than yet another Link, but I thought it'd be neat, and this way I'd have the Link from my favorite Zelda game as a playable character. I'm nonetheless looking forward to Dixie Kong, Shadow, and a few other likely Echo Fighters.

First and foremost, welcome back! 'Old school' Link is an interesting idea. Like Samus/Dark Samus it could simply be a kind of enhanced alt skin including the LTTP / ALBW apparatus. Although you're right other echo fighters are way more likely at this point. A simple way to realise that imo would be to apply the alt skin concept to Link's equipement

edit: this way by toggling to e.g. LTTP costume, the shield would change to one from LTTP

Spoiler

 

[Lasatar]

I'm gonna be honest with you, buddy.
these were the exact same points made for Ashley a month ago.
Could they still happen? of course. Nothings impossible, but it'd be wise to lower your expectations.

I don't expect anything. I simply make theories, and search for evidence to support those theories, and if it gets debunked, then that's that. Right now, the evidence that I have collected to support Kat & Ana's potential inclusion is pretty high, and Ashley's deconfirmation has only served to raise those chances.

Is it possible that this wouldn't happen? Yes, of course. If that happens, I'll just say "oh well", and suck it up. Right now, however, I haven't seen anything to dampen the theory, so I'll stick by it until they're deconfirmed for real.

 

[osby]

Daisy? Personality? Is it possible to use those two words in a sentence together?!

Personality doesn't have to be deep or good. Even Ridley has a personality.

 

[Enchess]

That has been a recent trend. Whereas I would typically have a full batch within a day, now it takes two to three days to so now.

Not personal. I'm studying for a Bachelors in Science for Psychology, and I'm going into a Pre-Law Track with the (ultimate) plan of going into Law School.

Please refrain from posting obviously fake leaks and trying to pass them off as fact. That's a moddable offense.

Oo, Psychology, fun. Pre-Law not so much. Hope you do well in your academic endevours. College started hard, got easy, then got hard again for me.

why do people keep saying it's fake?

You gotta offer some proof if you want people to believe. Maybe ask him to talk about what industry tools they use in their roles and see if anyone here is an animator in the games industry and can vouch for it.

 

[StormC]

Wew lad, lots of boomer vs. zoomer fighting in the thread earlier today.

I'm curious who people that are worried about the direction of the current roster voted for in the ballot.

 

[osby]

Wew lad, lots of boomer vs. zoomer fighting in the thread earlier today.

I'm curious who people that are worried about the direction of the current roster voted for in the ballot.

For no one.

I thought it was going to be used for choosing one character, not 10+ characters.

EDIT: Though, I rooted for old fan favourites for a while but now I don't.

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

Daisy? Personality? Is it possible to use those two words in a sentence together?!

...what?

Daisy probably has the most overbearing, colorful, most obvious-to-pinpoint personality in all of Super Mario Bros. Just because you don't like it or find it annoying doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

[StormC]

For no one.

I thought it was going to be used for choosing one character, not 10+ characters.

You couldn't think of one character you really wanted to see in Smash?

 

[Enchess]

Wew lad, lots of boomer vs. zoomer fighting in the thread earlier today.

I'm curious who people that are worried about the direction of the current roster voted for in the ballot.

I'm worried about the direction, but was on the older reps side of that debate so it's for a different reason. I'm worried that we'll only get one newly repped 1st party (Splatoon). I voted K Rool.

 

[Koopaul]

Personality doesn't have to be deep or good. Even Ridley has a personality.

Heck Daisy displays more of a personality in the Mario games she's in than Ridley does in the Metroid games. If it weren't for the lore, manga, and data logs; if you were just looking at him and his actions in-game you'd assume he's a mindless monster. He never speaks, or is shown to be capable of some sort of language, he just roars and attacks. And steals Metroids. I remember one time a friend of mine assumed Ridley was like a trained pet for Mother Brain, fetching the baby Metroid. I had to explain to him he's actually intelligent and a leader. He was quite shocked.

AND I'M A RIDLEY FAN!

 

[Noipoi]

Wew lad, lots of boomer vs. zoomer fighting in the thread earlier today.

I'm curious who people that are worried about the direction of the current roster voted for in the ballot.

Well, Ashley was already a trophy so that wasn't happening. And I knew Inklings would be in next game.
Not to mention Incineroar didn't exist at this point. So I voted for my "out there" character with -0 chances, Shantae.

 

[KMDP]

...what?

Daisy probably has the most overbearing, colorful, most obvious-to-pinpoint personality in all of Super Mario Bros. Just because you don't like it or find it annoying doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

"[Character I don't like] has no personality" is an irritating and inane complaint.

 

[Enchess]

Heck Daisy displays more of a personality in the Mario games she's in than Ridley does in the Metroid games. If it weren't for the lore, manga, and data logs; if you were just looking at him and his actions in-game you'd assume he's a mindless monster. He never speaks, or is shown to be capable of some sort of language, he just roars and attacks. And steals Metroids. I remember one time a friend of mine assumed Ridley was like a trained pet for Mother Brain, fetching the baby Metroid. I had to explain to him he's actually intelligent and a leader. He was quite shocked.

Well, he does wait till Samus leaves the station to attack in Super Metroid and built a giant robot in Zero Mission, so it's not like it's impossible to pick up he's smart from the games. But yeah, unfortunately the Metroid series hasn't made it come across all that clearly.

 

[osby]

You couldn't think of one character you really wanted to see in Smash?

I thought I didn't want to struggle for getting one character in from so many.

I'm not a big fan of votings btw.

 

[KMDP]

I thought I didn't want to struggle for getting one character in from so many.

I'm not a big fan of votings btw.

You can't win if you don't play.

If there's a character you wanted in Smash, you should have voted for them, even if you thought it was pointless to do so.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

I voted for Bayonetta, I know, I'm awful aren't I, but damned if I didn't think my vote was arbitrary and likely useless until I heard that English accent

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

"[Character I don't like] has no personality" is an irritating and inane complaint.

At first I was so confused because I thought you were quoting me to make a counter-argument, LOL.

But yes, agreed. It's baseless and lazy.

 

[Zinith]

Wew lad, lots of boomer vs. zoomer fighting in the thread earlier today.

I'm curious who people that are worried about the direction of the current roster voted for in the ballot.

You talking about the Smash Ballot in 2015? I think I've stated who my ballet pick was at the time...

 

[StormC]

I thought I didn't want to struggle for getting one character in from so many.

I'm not a big fan of votings btw.

If you didn't take the extremely rare opportunity to make your voice heard, then I dunno what to tell you man. You should always vote when you're given the opportunity to affect something you care about.

 

[KMDP]

At first I was so confused because I thought you were quoting me to make a counter-argument, LOL.

But yes, agreed. It's baseless and lazy.

Should have specified I was agreeing with you.

I was going to give an example, too, guess I should; it was the first one I thought of: the characters from the Star Wars prequels.

The issue isn't that they have no personality, the problem is that most of them all have the same personality, Stoic.

 

[BlueMagician]

I'm curious who people that are worried about the direction of the current roster voted for in the ballot.

I think I voted for Toadette because she felt relevant to me at the time. I was pretty busy at the time so I don't remember the full reasoning...

 

[osby]

If you didn't take the extremely rare opportunity to make your voice heard, then I dunno what to tell you man. You should always vote when you're given the opportunity to affect something you care about.

My bad, sorry.

 

[KMDP]

I don't remember the full reasoning

I remember the reasoning I had for my vote (Isaac).

Almost entirely because I actually kept it in a Word Document.

 

[Enderwoman]

Daisy? Personality? Is it possible to use those two words in a sentence together?!

you would be amazed at how many Daisy fans try to argue this, they need to stretch really hard for anything outside of Mario strikers

 

[lizard1929]

Ridleys personality based on games.

-Stares at Samus in elevator (Zero mission)
-Steals and attacks a space station (Super)
-Ambushes Samus (Corruption)
-Scares Samus and makes her tremble in fear (Other M)

 

[Hinata]

Ridleys personality based on games.

-Stares at Samus in elevator (Zero mission)
-Steals and attacks a space station (Super)
-Ambushes Samus (Corruption)
-Scares Samus and makes her tremble in fear (Other M)

I mean, you're not wrong. I'd say a lot of Ridley's personality is strictly in the manga. If we go purely off the games, he's just big scary dragon man.

 

[KMDP]

you would be amazed at how many Daisy fans try to argue this, they need to stretch really hard for anything outside of Mario strikers

...

[Daisy] is known for being upbeat, energetic, and a bit of a tomboy.

This is a description of a personality.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

You talking about the Smash Ballot in 2015? I think I've stated who my ballet pick was at the time...

You're a model of constancy Zinith . Sakurai could at least recognize that and work on that Boshi echo! I mean what else does he have to do?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Seeing that Shovel Knight fighting game thing kind of makes me want to try out the shovel knight game. I've still never played it

 

[Zinith]

You're a model of constancy Zinith . Sakurai could at least recognize that and work on that Boshi echo! I mean what else does he have to do?

Oh boy, I have a confession to make. My ballet entry wasn't Boshi. I wasn't aware of his potential at the time.

If I could go back in time and talk sense into past me, I'd do it

 

[KMDP]

You're a model of constancy Zinith . Sakurai could at least recognize that and work on that Boshi echo! I mean what else does he have to do?

Zinith voted for Reyn back then.

Seeing that Shovel Knight fighting game thing kind of makes me want to try out the shovel knight game. I've still never played it

I still need to try Shovel Knight myself. Maybe the Switch will finally be the time.

 

[Staarih]

Another blog update for today: New Donk City stage:

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English:
This stage is based on Super Mario Odyssey's New Donk City. When a fighter touches a band member, their instrument gets added to the background track! Mayor Pauline also makes an appearance.