Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

Playing Devil's Advocate:

1) Sakurai can discuss with Captain Toad's creator (Koizumi?) in order to have creative liberties for him in Smash, which is something that he had always done with almost every character.

2) Captain Toad isn't stupid. In his main game the majority of his enemies are very slow and easily avoidable, letting him keep his stuff. In a free for all situation, how can we say that he wouldn't throw things out of his backpack in order to attack and having better movement? But, being a Treasure Tracker (eheh), he can find new items for his backpack.

......what the **** are you even trying to advocate?

I'm talking about Meta Knight and the perceived notion that Sakura "violated canon" by giving him a move that goes against the concept of chivalry.

I am going to ask you this only once.
Please do not corrupt whatever I say into something to shill Captain Toad.
Especially when it doesn't even work within the same context.

I am sick of hearing about the little fungus and sick of all the half-assed comparisons to other characters and counterpoints/excuses people are spouting off without much thought put into them.

So for both our sakes.....do not reply to this and drag me back into this discussion.

That goes for ALL of you.

 

[Bowserlick]

Captain Toad with No Jumps, Springman with ability to choose his ARMS at the select screen, Rex and Pyra as a team fighter with Pyra stationed on the Z-Axis, King K. Rool that switches his costumed personalities as well as specials with his Down B, Mach Rider as an apocalyptic fighter that can bend body parts fragmented with armor to form a human vehicle, Decidueye that can charge all their projectile aerials, Andross with a body and kinetic powers which can project rotating grids that can form into solid blocks with a single thought...

Wow, this next Smash has potential to be absolutely wild.

 

[Deleted member]

Sakurai doesn't outright ignore Kirby games from after his involvement, but he definitely sidelines them to his own work. In that vein I would not expect Bandana Dee, but a stage from a newer Kirby game does not seem outside the realm of possibility. Iirc Sakurai was considering an Epic Yarn stage before it proved too similar to the Woolly World stage. Though I don't have an on-hand source.

Regardless, expect heavy amounts of older Kirby content. Always.

I never knew about a planned Kirby's Epic Yarn stage before. I think that they could either focus on more classic Kirby stages, or fit with the new trend on this ( Kirby Star Allies ). It is just that Kirby is a lot more "colorful and expressive", so they should have many ideas through a stage.

You almost got it.

There was going to be a Kirby's Epic Yarn stage until Sakurai learned about Woolly World.

Then he gave the aethetic to Woolly World and changed the stage to the Great Cave Offensive.

I honestly do not know how I feel. We got a more iconic stage, but the Great Cave Offensive is just a messy stage that I do not like playing at.

Off-Topic, but Adeline should be a stage hazard or assist trophy. If she is directed in a Kirby stage, she can just draw certain stage hazards like monsters or fire and stuff. If she was an assist trophy, she would make monsters that do not hurt the player or their team if they are in a team battle.

 

[NintenRob]

For the love of all things pink, please let the next Kirby stage be from something post Super Star PLEASE

also have Queen Sectonia as a boss or assist trophy, laugh included, and also feature Sullied Grace and Moonstruck Blossom, especially Sullied Grace.

Oh and CROWNED needs to be in there too. It's criminal it's not already.

And add a remix of Noble Haltmann

And a SSU Medley of Masked Dedede > Kabula Theme > Heavy Lobster

And make Bandana Dee a character, he's more than earned his right to Smash.

And give Kirby a second new stage, why not?

Stage ideas!
Squeak Hideout
Cookie Country
Sectonia Castle
Trick house TD
Casino PR
City Trial
Lab stage PR
Haltmann Office
That room with Dark Heart from Star Allies
Another Dimension
ANYTHING FROM STAR ALLIES

Just make it post Super Star, PLEASE

More Assist Trophy ideas

Susie
Daroach
Dark Matter
Adeline I guess
Magolor

Enemy ideas if Smash Run returns (some could also be assist trophies)
Sir Kibble
Poppy Bros
Whip enemy
Mr Frosty
Kracko
That Spear Bee

Oh and King Dedede please get a decent Final Smash. The one he has now has no flash, no substance, no charm. Give him that Buff Dedede from Star Allies.

Items!
I think that canon from Adventure Wii and Fighters Deluxe could be interesting, And I'd like to see Parasol return. It would be great if they could implement the Robobot Armour

I could probably go on for longer, but I need sleep

 

[Spatman]

reading this topic, I realized how our perception of newcomers changed during the years.
Something now appears to us as an iron rule (the relevance of a character in recent games and overall its appearance in new games after the last smash iteration) isn't a so strong rule before.
Of course the most relevant characters are almost all already in, and of course smash for switch could be not a completely new smash game but more like an updated porting so modern relevancy and appearance in new games can be more important than it was in the previous smash games, but... still... we mustn't forget Smash didn't ever required unavoidably appearance in a super recent game and a strong role in that game to be included.
So characters like Inklings could be a shoo in. But characters like Dixie, Bandana Dee or some other we never considered as serious contenders because pretty stuck in the past, definitely are not out of the race.

Our perception changed and we created a new smash rule... but perception of smash team isn't necessarily changed from the past, or it could be changed in a different way than ours.
Moreover, the team for smash switch could be completely different from the team we had until now and so they could think in a completely different way.

So we can't have definitive certainties for anything, and we should cease to exclude series to have new characters only on the basis of our perception.
Mario can have as many newcomers as the new smash team will, and our homemade smash rules won't prevent them to do it

 

[Guybrush20X6]

reading this topic, I realized how our perception of newcomers changed during the years.
Something now appears to us as an iron rule (the relevance of a character in recent games and overall its appearance in new games after the last smash iteration) isn't a so strong rule before.
Of course the most relevant characters are almost all already in, and of course smash for switch could be not a completely new smash game but more like an updated porting so modern relevancy and appearance in new games can be more important than it was in the previous smash games, but... still... we mustn't forget Smash didn't ever required unavoidably appearance in a super recent game and a strong role in that game to be included.
So characters like Inklings could be a shoo in. But characters like Dixie, Bandana Dee or some other we never considered as serious contenders because pretty stuck in the past, definitely are not out of the race.

Our perception changed and we created a new smash rule... but perception of smash team isn't necessarily changed from the past, or it could be changed in a different way than ours.
Moreover, the team for smash switch could be completely different from the team we had until now and so they could think in a completely different way.

So we can't have definitive certainties for anything, and we should cease to exclude series to have new characters only on the basis of our perception.
Mario can have as many newcomers as the new smash team will, and our homemade smash rules won't prevent them to do it

I find it funny how nearly every DLC character shattered a pre-conception in some manner.

Mewtwo: DLC will never be a thing
Lucas: Mewtwo is a one-off
Roy: Too many Fire Emblem characters already
Ryu: No Fighting Game characters (Little Mac didn't count for some reason)
Cloud: Character must be strongly assosiated with Nintendo
Corrin: DEFINETLY too many Fire Emblem characters
Bayonetta: I know who the public will vote for.

 

[Cosmic77]

I'd like to remind everyone who thinks that Sakurai always tries to keep characters as close their games as possible that Lucas literally has no PSI moves in Smash that he could perform in Mother 3. Even Rope Snake isn't something that Lucas uses. And his counterpart, Ness, isn't any better. The baseball bat and yo-yo are true to EarthBound, but PK Flash is the only PSI move Ness could actually use in his game.

Even though Sakurai claims that he wants to keep characters as they're represented in their games, the truth is, it's very circumstantial. Some characters like Bayo are followed to a T, while others have several moves that they could not perform in their game of origin, given to them for the sake of making them more interesting or manageable characters.

 

[FutureSky]

I Think Inkling, Spring Man, Isabelle and Rex are very likely, maybe we get Isaac from Golden Sun too, and a new IP rep from the 3ds that's "alive".

3rdparties are a wild card....it could be anyone from any non-sony owned gaming IP, even Sora from Kingdom Hearts

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I Think Inkling, Spring Man, Isabelle and Rex are very likely, maybe we get Isaac from Golden Sun too, and a new IP rep from the 3ds that's "alive".

The Inklings are so obvious that I bet they'd be some of the first newcomers revealed just because Nintendo would be like "You're all expecting this, so let's just confirm it and go to the really unexpected stuff" As for Spring Man and Rex, they're the most likely ones not named Inkling, imo. Really, those three are just really safe bets that will definitely happen.

Isabelle... I'm sorry, but I don't see it happening. Yes, she's popular, but the Villager covers so much of the franchise's stuff through his moveset that I have trouble seeing a second Animal Crossing character. Not saying it'll never happen, because I'm sure Sakurai can make a moveset out of her, but I don't personally see the point of it, especially since New Leaf is the only game where she really mattered, which was 5 years ago.

Isaac depends only on Camelot. The fact that he didn't get to be an Assist Trophy again in 4, especially since there was a new Golden Sun game after Brawl, might be a sign it won't happen. Then again, I might just be completely wrong, but I'm still giving my two cents on this.

3rdparties are a wild card....it could be anyone from any non-sony owned gaming IP, even Sora from Kingdom Hearts

I know you're simply bringing the point that it could be anyone, but I don't see Sora happening.

They'd need the approval of both Square Enix and Disney, if I recall correctly, so it's too much licensing trouble for one character.

 

[FutureSky]

The Inklings are so obvious that I bet they'd be some of the first newcomers revealed just because Nintendo would be like "You're all expecting this, so let's just confirm it and go to the really unexpected stuff" As for Spring Man and Rex, they're the most likely ones not named Inkling, imo. Really, those three are just really safe bets that will definitely happen.

Isabelle... I'm sorry, but I don't see it happening. Yes, she's popular, but the Villager covers so much of the franchise's stuff through his moveset that I have trouble seeing a second Animal Crossing character. Not saying it'll never happen, because I'm sure Sakurai can make a moveset out of her, but I don't personally see the point of it, especially since New Leaf is the only game where she really mattered, which was 5 years ago.

Isaac depends only on Camelot. The fact that he didn't get to be an Assist Trophy again in 4, especially since there was a new Golden Sun game after Brawl, might be a sign it won't happen. Then again, I might just be completely wrong, but I'm still giving my two cents on this.


I know you're simply bringing the point that it could be anyone, but I don't see Sora happening.

They'd need the approval of both Square Enix and Disney, if I recall correctly, so it's too much licensing trouble for one character.

I know Sora's very unlikely, it was just to give an unlikely example. xD

Isabelle, i don't really want her, but i won't be surprised if we get more AC reps

 

[Deleted member]

I know you're simply bringing the point that it could be anyone, but I don't see Sora happening.

They'd need the approval of both Square Enix and Disney, if I recall correctly, so it's too much licensing trouble for one character.

Speaking of this, I've seen one of Kingdom Hearts official figures in a video game store, and one interesting thing I've noticed on its packaging is there's not any mention to Square Enix, only Disney.

This may be an indication that Sora and the other Kingdom Hearts characters are fully owned by Disney, and Square Enix are only credited for developing the games.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Just give Villager costumes for all the other characters.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

If Isabelle does make it to Smash 5, it's gonna be because of popularity and/or Sakurai (or a new director) sees potential in her for a moveset. It won't be because Animal Crossing needs more reps - Villager covers the series pretty well on his own and the only game Isabelle is important in, Animal Crossing: New Leaf, was five years ago.

I'm not saying it won't happen, but given the circumstances I'm not placing my money on her.

 

[Cosmic77]

Just give Villager costumes for all the other characters.

Or at least give us better alts than the ones we have right now. Some of them just don't work for me.

Spoiler

Sorry if anyone likes the young lass with the blue and yellow dress, but she looks like the creepy, stalking president of Ness's fan club. "I stole one of Ness's shirts and made it into a dress for myself! It's my most treasured possession!"

 

[Megadoomer]

Speaking of this, I've seen one of Kingdom Hearts official figures in a video game store, and one interesting thing I've noticed on its packaging is there's not any mention to Square Enix, only Disney.

This may be an indication that Sora and the other Kingdom Hearts characters are fully owned by Disney, and Square Enix are only credited for developing the games.

I believe that's been the case since the series began. This is the sort of thing that the Kingdom Hearts games have listed for copyright information.

Everything but the Nightmare Before Christmas and the Final Fantasy characters (along with other franchises depending on which game we're talking about, like Tarzan or The World Ends With You) are owned by Disney - this includes the characters who originated in Kingdom Hearts.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I believe that's been the case since the series began. This is the sort of thing that the Kingdom Hearts games have listed for copyright information.

Everything but the Nightmare Before Christmas and the Final Fantasy characters (along with other franchises depending on which game we're talking about, like Tarzan or The World Ends With You) are owned by Disney - this includes the characters who originated in Kingdom Hearts.

Basically, Square creates the OCs and owns the redesigns of their own characters but Disney owns the new characters themselves.

(Don't forget Pixar for KH3, finally)

 

[Uffe]

I'd like to remind everyone who thinks that Sakurai always tries to keep characters as close their games as possible that Lucas literally has no PSI moves in Smash that he could perform in Mother 3. Even Rope Snake isn't something that Lucas uses. And his counterpart, Ness, isn't any better. The baseball bat and yo-yo are true to EarthBound, but PK Flash is the only PSI move Ness could actually use in his game.

Even though Sakurai claims that he wants to keep characters as they're represented in their games, the truth is, it's very circumstantial. Some characters like Bayo are followed to a T, while others have several moves that they could not perform in their game of origin, given to them for the sake of making them more interesting or manageable characters.

They probably didn't give Lucas PK Flash because they were trying to not make him as close to Ness as possible. In Melee, I believe it's the Paula trophy that says that Ness never knew PK Fire or PK Thunder, and I think even PSI Magnet, and that maybe Paula taught him those abilities. If Nintendo ever got around to making another EarthBound game with Ness, then maybe he'd learn those abilities. Honestly, I wish he had PSI Rockin' in Smash Bros.

 

[Pacack]

I won't comment on the good Captain's being able to jump or not in Smash, but I do want to remind everyone of this. (Inserting the image is breaking it for some reason.)

Reads something like, "Maybe someday I will JOIN THE BATTLE! too..." (Source)

The context is that both Treasure Tracker and Smash 4 were being shown off. I believe this can be interpreted to mean that the developers of Treasure Tracker would be excited to see him in Smash, and maybe that they would be willing to make allowances for him to battle effectively.

Just my two cents, though.

 

[Opossum]

I believe that's been the case since the series began. This is the sort of thing that the Kingdom Hearts games have listed for copyright information.

Everything but the Nightmare Before Christmas and the Final Fantasy characters (along with other franchises depending on which game we're talking about, like Tarzan or The World Ends With You) are owned by Disney - this includes the characters who originated in Kingdom Hearts.

Disney owns the rights to Nightmare Before Christmas though. But yeah, you're right on the SE properties and Tarzan (since the licensing deal expired on the latter).

 

[FutureSky]

What are your guesses for 3rdparties?

I think Bomberman and Rayman have a dedent chance

 

[Megadoomer]

What are your guesses for 3rdparties?

I think Bomberman and Rayman have a dedent chance

Hard to say for sure; I feel confident about most of the veterans, but as for newcomers, I have no idea who's realistically likely.

Between Mario + Rabbids and the trophies in Smash 4, I feel like Rayman has a decent chance. The Wii U and Switch got a ton of indie support, so maybe Shovel Knight could be a possibility? Part of me feels like language barriers could be an issue with negotiating for third parties, or at least make the process more difficult (all of the current third parties, and all of Smash's roster outside of Diddy Kong, are Japan-made characters).

Heihachi and Geno were considered for Smash 4, so maybe we could get them? Super Bomberman R did really well on the Switch (it's the best-selling game in the franchise since the N64 days), but who knows if Konami would actually try to capitalize on that and build up some goodwill, or if they'd consider Bomberman a priority. (Snake and a Castlevania character would provide strong competition)

Then there's SNK, given the sheer amount of arcade releases they're putting out on the Switch (they're doing a better job with putting retro titles on the Switch than Nintendo is), along with an new title (albeit a spin-off) - maybe Fatal Fury's Terry Bogard could be a possibility? (and that's not even getting into companies or creators who have expressed interest, like Suda51)

There's a lot of options, and not much to go on for any of them.

 

[GolisoPower]

Then there's SNK, given the sheer amount of arcade releases they're putting out on the Switch (they're doing a better job with putting retro titles on the Switch than Nintendo is), along with an new title (albeit a spin-off) - maybe Fatal Fury's Terry Bogard could be a possibility? (and that's not even getting into companies or creators who have expressed interest, like Suda51)

Terry sounds good, but isn't Mai the more recognizable? I mean, it's kind of like Killer Instinct: there, Jago is the main protagonist, but Fulgore is easily the more recognizable. Here, Terry is the main protagonist, but Mai is leagues more recognizable.

 

[Blue_Sword_Edge]

What are your guesses for 3rdparties?

I think Bomberman and Rayman have a dedent chance

In all honesty, I can say that the ones we got have a good shot at coming back. As for new ones I cannot say with 100% confidence.

Hard to say for sure; I feel confident about most of the veterans, but as for newcomers, I have no idea who's realistically likely.

Between Mario + Rabbids and the trophies in Smash 4, I feel like Rayman has a decent chance. The Wii U and Switch got a ton of indie support, so maybe Shovel Knight could be a possibility? Part of me feels like language barriers could be an issue with negotiating for third parties, or at least make the process more difficult (all of the current third parties, and all of Smash's roster outside of Diddy Kong, are Japan-made characters).

Heihachi and Geno were considered for Smash 4, so maybe we could get them? Super Bomberman R did really well on the Switch (it's the best-selling game in the franchise since the N64 days), but who knows if Konami would actually try to capitalize on that and build up some goodwill, or if they'd consider Bomberman a priority. (Snake and a Castlevania character would provide strong competition)

Then there's SNK, given the sheer amount of arcade releases they're putting out on the Switch (they're doing a better job with putting retro titles on the Switch than Nintendo is), along with an new title (albeit a spin-off) - maybe Fatal Fury's Terry Bogard could be a possibility? (and that's not even getting into companies or creators who have expressed interest, like Suda51)

There's a lot of options, and not much to go on for any of them.

As for Geno, it's a matter if Square Enix wants him to happen or not. As for Heihachi, it's a matter if the Smash devs/Sakurai can find a way to make him work and they want to revisit the idea of him.

I would find it cool if SNK got involved. Terry Bogard of Fatal Fury easily comes to mind (I'd like to see this guy get in). Kyo Kusanagi also is considerable considering he's strictly a King of Fighters character.

I wouldn't be surprised if Dragon Quest got in a character. I think Dragon Quest is big in Japan and has some notice in the West. It's a matter of who if Square Enix wants a character in from this franchise.

 

[FutureSky]

Hard to say for sure; I feel confident about most of the veterans, but as for newcomers, I have no idea who's realistically likely.

Between Mario + Rabbids and the trophies in Smash 4, I feel like Rayman has a decent chance. The Wii U and Switch got a ton of indie support, so maybe Shovel Knight could be a possibility? Part of me feels like language barriers could be an issue with negotiating for third parties, or at least make the process more difficult (all of the current third parties, and all of Smash's roster outside of Diddy Kong, are Japan-made characters).

Heihachi and Geno were considered for Smash 4, so maybe we could get them? Super Bomberman R did really well on the Switch (it's the best-selling game in the franchise since the N64 days), but who knows if Konami would actually try to capitalize on that and build up some goodwill, or if they'd consider Bomberman a priority. (Snake and a Castlevania character would provide strong competition)

Then there's SNK, given the sheer amount of arcade releases they're putting out on the Switch (they're doing a better job with putting retro titles on the Switch than Nintendo is), along with an new title (albeit a spin-off) - maybe Fatal Fury's Terry Bogard could be a possibility? (and that's not even getting into companies or creators who have expressed interest, like Suda51)

There's a lot of options, and not much to go on for any of them.

Yeah, there's just so many options that is hard to say, for all we know we could get a dynasty warriors or trails of cold steel reps but no the king of fighters, bomberman or rayman, who knows it's entirely up in the air...

I Think even 1stparty characters are hard to predict this time around besides Inkling, Rex or Spring Man

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I can't find the article but Crash Bandicoot N-Sane Trilogy is coming to Switch next year, as is a new Crash Bandicoot game.

Crash may have a fighting chance in Smash 5 now.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I can't find the article but Crash Bandicoot N-Sane Trilogy is coming to Switch next year, as is a new Crash Bandicoot game.

Crash may have a fighting chance in Smash 5 now.

Isn't that just a rumor and thus, must be taken with a grain of salt?

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

I don't find the movesets of Rayman or Bomberman very interesting.

 

[Luminario]

Y'all make it sound like Isabelle along with Animal Crossing hasn't been continuously relevant after New Leaf's release with Mario Kart 8, Pocket Camp, and the 2016 Welcome Amiibo update for New Leaf (also Amiibo Festival but we don't need to discuss that) and once again, Villager only represents a few tools and things that you can actively do in-game, and even then some of those moves are pretty shoddily done (where did the stick come from?). There's no house customisation like carpets or furniture, no Public Work Projects, and half the held items aren't used, there's plenty missing.
Bring up actual strikes against Isabelle's inclusion instead: like her potentially being too pacifist for being a fighter, or her unconventional moveset material that might not pop out at the people making the game.

I can't find the article but Crash Bandicoot N-Sane Trilogy is coming to Switch next year, as is a new Crash Bandicoot game.

Crash may have a fighting chance in Smash 5 now.

Just google "crash bandicoot n. sane trilogy switch" and there's a bunch of articles on potential ports in the works. I hope that rumour is real, the Crash games are pretty solid.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I was definitely disappointed in how much Smash for Wii U felt like a Wii U game. Seems a lot games on the console had serious problems with content (Mario Kart 8 missing battle mode, Mario Tennis Ultra Smash and Mario Party 10 speak for themselves.)

Smash for Wii U was just amazing with characters, but the reliance on past stages, ****ty Classic Mode, lack of Adventure Mode, lack of Single Player content, and just being lazy with unlockable characters really made the game feel like there wasn't a lot of soul compared to Brawl.

Brawl had an unbelievable adventure mode and made every veteran feel like a newcomer. So there's a lot of changes I'd like to see in the new game. As well as things I'd like to see return.

• Personal "Break The Targets" stages
• A hybrid of Melee & Brawl's Adventure Mode
• Return of Metal Opponent Finale in Classic Mode
• Return of Melee announcer and main theme
• A less random Classic Mode
• New stages for everything. No more past stages unless they are their own section.
• Fighting Wireframe Team
• More obscure trophies
• Luigi use Poltergust as down special and Negative Zone as final smash
• "Wario Land" Wario

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I can't find the article but Crash Bandicoot N-Sane Trilogy is coming to Switch next year, as is a new Crash Bandicoot game.

Crash may have a fighting chance in Smash 5 now.

To be honest, even without it, he already did. But the relevancy timing could certainly help~ Not as an advertisement, of course.

To answer some 3rd party options; there's a lot I want to see. Digimon continues to be relevant, so Agumon would be a great option to add in. Though this particular character is less relevant than his franchise due to not appearing in every single animation(though I can't think of any games he isn't in?). Soul Calibur VI is in development, so Nightmare is yet another contender(and the main face of the franchise). Master Chief is a nuff said due to being a gaming legend alone. If a Dragon Quest character, I could see Slime, as it has tons of movset potential. Sora is noted already, though like Geno, I don't count the chances of getting the licensing for fully playable easy.

As for the Mario + Rabbids game, this does nothing for Rayman's chances. He already does have a good chance on his own merits, but this boosts Rabbids, which to be fair, are huge too. Fulgore of Killer Instinct is another big character who sounds like could be fun, but I could see it being a similar case of Heihachi, hard to make working in the format and be unique.

The biggest thing I see that could affect many of these is making a workable gimmick that's fun and interesting. Assuming it's a port of Smash 4 or the next game focuses more on that than just having fun options alone.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Personally, I would rather wait for a new smash rather than get a port even though it might come sooner then.

 

[FutureSky]

Personally, I would rather wait for a new smash rather than get a port even though it might come sooner then.

I think Smash 5 for 2020 is a strong possibility, specially because Pokemon, Metroid, AC, FE, Kirby, Pikmin 'n etc would've been out for a while so they can drag more 1stparty stuff.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

• Luigi use Poltergust as down special and Negative Zone as final smash

Honestly Negative Zone didn't make any damn sense in Brawl.

It felt more like Sakurai's headcanon than something Luigi would actually do.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Personal "Break The Targets" stages

That would never happen, imo.

The universal Target Break stages from Brawl were likely due to the growing number of characters to save up time on development. Imagine in a 50+ character cast.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

They could do it as DLC.

 

[Pacack]

I'd be very surprised by Geno, honestly. While not impossible by any means, seeing as a costume happened, I feel like Square Enix would prefer to include a Dragon Quest character, a Bravely series character, or one of the main characters from Project: Octopath Traveler if they're going to spend time negotiating for a second character.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

• Personal "Break The Targets" stages

• A hybrid of Melee & Brawl's Adventure Mode

• Return of Metal Opponent Finale in Classic Mode

• Return of Melee announcer and main theme

• A less random Classic Mode

• New stages for everything. No more past stages unless they are their own section.

• Fighting Wireframe Team

• More obscure trophies

• Luigi use Poltergust as down special and Negative Zone as final smash

• "Wario Land" Wario

You know... it sounds like you want Melee HD more than an actual new game.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

You know... it sounds like you want Melee HD more than an actual new game.

¿Porque no los dos?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

You know... it sounds like you want Melee HD more than an actual new game.

Melee is actually my least favorite in the series. So hell no. I'm actually offended that you would suggest something so stupid as a Melee remake and try to stamp that on me.

I can't stand how much people worship that game.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Take a pill.