Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[KMDP]

IT'S TIME TO GET FUNKY!!!!

So here's how a Funky Kong Echo could work. Recycle old DK custom moves from Smash 4 and give em' to Funky. Most notably Storm Punch and Kong Cyclone to give him a wind box themed move set that reflect his job at Funky Flights. (maybe tweak Kong cyclone since it was pretty janky)
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Throw some clothes on the DK model, give him some unique idle animations to show his radical personality, have him use his surfboard with his taunts, and use the jumbo barrel as his character intro. Bam! You got yourself an easy and bodacious echo.

We already have Knuckles, all we would need is Dante From The Devil May Cry® Series to complete the holy trinity.

I think it's be cool if, if Funky Kong were a DK echo, he spun on his surfboard for his Up+B. It would have a sweetspot on the board, and maybe have better horizontal movement.

 

[Kuon]

Here are some of my predictions for Smash Ultimate
-6 more Unique characters & 4 more Echo Fighters.
-103 is just a placeholder number for the amount of stages, similar to when the website said 65 fighters was the total.
-The Spirits mode will be a mixture of the Adventure of Melee & Subspace Emissary.
-Every announcer from the franchise will return.
-Every iteration Battlefield & Final Destination will return.
-Meta Crystal will be a playable stage.

Meta Crystal would awesome as a stage. Such nostalgia with that stage. Plus, it's never been playable in multiplayer Smash before

 

[Deleted member]

Here are some of my predictions for Smash Ultimate
-6 more Unique characters & 4 more Echo Fighters.
-103 is just a placeholder number for the amount of stages, similar to when the website said 65 fighters was the total.
-The Spirits mode will be a mixture of the Adventure of Melee & Subspace Emissary.
-Every announcer from the franchise will return.
-Every iteration Battlefield & Final Destination will return.
-Meta Crystal will be a playable stage.

I think the Spirits mode will be a lot like Brawl's Subspace rather than Melee's Adventure Mode.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Dlc, please give me goemon

A capcom pack, a konami pack, a sega pack, a namco pack.

Capcom
Ameturatsu
Viewtiful joe

Konami
Goemon
Rocket knight

Sega
Knights
Billy hatcher

Namco
Dig dig
Heihachi

Bethesda Pack:
Dovahkiin
Doomguy
and a new item: the Fatman (good luck not blowing yourself up along with your enemy)

...****, that actually sounds ridiculously awesome.

 

[MBRedboy31]

Oh no please no I'm getting PTSD from Windbox Kong.

Maybe they could make the windbox for up-B appear momentarily only for either the first or last hit rather than all of them, so you can vacuum in enemies that are a bit out of your reach but still have it be punishable if you whiff with that.

 

[Delzethin]

Speaking of the Black Knight...there's a chance he could end up as a boss rather than an echo fighter.

I mean, if you're talking Fire Emblem antagonists, he's one of the most iconic ones, and unlike someone like Grima, would actually work quite well as a boss fight.

 

[KMDP]

I think the Spirits mode will be a lot like Brawl's Subspace rather than Melee's Adventure Mode.

I think Spirits mode will be like Melee Adventure mode fused with 3DS Classic mode.

By which I mean there'll be a World Map with multiple routes, which you proceed through based on which exit you take in the stages.

This would fit in with GameXplain's theory about Sakurai's statement of "you may face these characters as bosses".

 

[Zinith]

Super Mario RPG pack:

Geno
Mallow
Boshi (echo)

Bowyer AT

Booster, Smithy trophies
Forest Maze stage

 

[vaanrose]

Going by @SSB4Dojo's Poll Data. Isaac is actually fairly level with K. Rool.

Of course, as vaanrose has stated many, many times; exit polls are dubious at best, because the Smash fanbase has way more reach than a few thousand fans on the Internet; not only that, but some of the poll votes almost assuredly overlap.

Actually, that reminds me, I voted on that one Reddit Survey that was held a while ago. I was one of the three people who said they wanted Stage Builder back.

Oh okay. I didn't know you already said that. This is my first time seeing this poll.

It's pretty telling me to that new ATs like Krystal, Zero, Bomberman, Knuckles, etc, all scored respectably but not super highly. Even Rathalos can be kind of fudged given the decent placement of a generic "monster hunter."

With that in mind, as high as Waluigi may have placed in the west, he was very low in Japan, and in reverse, Chrom was completely absent in the west but scored decently in Japan. Also in Japan, Shadow is much higher than Knuckles, for what that's worth.

I honestly think the data is a much better picture than I did in the past, though I still wouldn't be confident saying "X Character Definitively Scored Higher than Y" or even that someone who cleaned up in the ballot is a necessarily a guarantee. But for a general ballpark, I think it's probably pretty accurate.

 

[Deleted member]

Speaking of the Black Knight...there's a chance he could end up as a boss rather than an echo fighter.

I mean, if you're talking Fire Emblem antagonists, he's one of the most iconic ones, and unlike someone like Grima, would actually work quite well as a boss fight.

Uhm, what? BK is the one who works the least as a boss. Why have an humanoid boss when you can have giant ass dragons that couldn't be anywhere else

 

[Blue7113]

Bethesda Pack:
Dovahkiin
Doomguy
and a new item: the Fatman (good luck not blowing yourself up along with your enemy)

...****, that actually sounds ridiculously awesome.

While a nuke would be awesome do you really think, Nintendo, a Japanese game company would want an item named Fatman, after the nuke that blew up Hiroshima?

 

[QrowinSP]

You know what this game desperately needs? Special orders.

Right now we have a classic mode that, while amazing, does not have any random elements, as well as a story mode that is probably the same every time as well. It's missing a really randomized experience, and that's what special orders was perfect for. Not to mention it's one of my favorite smash modes of all time: it wouldn't be ultimate without them. And honestly? I'd love to see it expanded on, too.

Master orders: Like before, except if you win enough consecutively then master hand will challenge you, his difficulty scaling with how hard the challenges you beat were.

Crazy orders: Like before.

Tabuu Orders: You will be given extremely difficult challenges to choose from by Tabuu. For example, you might be asked to fight Dracula while also fighting 2 Charizards, or you'll be asked to face 3 metal opponents who are all on the same team. If you successfully beat 8 in a row, then you fight Tabuu.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

Speaking of the Black Knight...there's a chance he could end up as a boss rather than an echo fighter.

I mean, if you're talking Fire Emblem antagonists, he's one of the most iconic ones, and unlike someone like Grima, would actually work quite well as a boss fight.

Grima could maybe work as boss if you had to fight Grima robin on top of dragon Grima's back.

 

[drag0nscythe]

I would enjoy pack ideas. 15 bucks. 2 new characters, 2 stages, 10 trophies and 6 new music tracks.

 

[Kuon]

It's pretty telling me to that new ATs like Krystal, Zero, Bomberman, Knuckles, etc, all scored respectably but not super highly. Even Rathalos can be kind of fudged given the decent placement of a generic "monster hunter."

With that in mind, as high as Waluigi may have placed in the west, he was very low in Japan, and in reverse, Chrom was completely absent in the west but scored decently in Japan. Also in Japan, Shadow is much higher than Knuckles, for what that's worth.

I honestly think the data is a much better picture than I did in the past, though I still wouldn't be confident saying "X Character Definitively Scored Higher than Y" or even that someone who cleaned up in the ballot is a necessarily a guarantee. But for a general ballpark, I think it's probably pretty accurate.

True, but something tells me not all characters will be fan favorites. I think Sakurai will reveal a few that either he or Nintendo want in the game, that the fans may not have wanted very much

 

[Zinith]

I would enjoy pack ideas. 15 bucks. 2 new characters, 2 stages, 10 trophies and 6 new music tracks.

No ATs you think?

 

[vaanrose]

I think Sakurai will reveal a few that ...the fans may not have wanted very much

I, too, believe we're getting Incineroar.

 

[masterluigi1]

I actually forgot all about Banjo, lol, goes to show how much I consider him a third party, he was far and away the most voted, but Simon's still above basically everybody else.

34th globally and 20th for us/eu polls..thats better than i expected
but I fail to see how this proves your point?

being 34th, hes still no where near a safe bet...ridley wasnt either(stated by sakurai), isabelle is also nowhere to be seen?, and many characters that ranked much higher than him were deconfirmed?

not to mention theres alot of data which these polls fail to take into account(which you yourself agreed with).

Vergeben could have guessed alot of safer picks than Simon.

 

[NintenRob]

You know, the change to classic mode is REALLY good and smart.

Each character had their own journey and matches so it still has that variety. But if you're having trouble with a specific character, the lack of major random elements makes it easier to get better at.


And I love how each character seems to have story/reason for doing this, such as Donkey Kong trying to get to New Donk City

 

[KMDP]

It's pretty telling me to that new ATs like Krystal, Zero, Bomberman, Knuckles, etc, all scored respectably but not super highly. Even Rathalos can be kind of fudged given the decent placement of a generic "monster hunter."

With that in mind, as high as Waluigi may have placed in the west, he was very low in Japan, and in reverse, Chrom was completely absent in the west but scored decently in Japan. Also in Japan, Shadow is much higher than Knuckles, for what that's worth.

I honestly think the data is a much better picture than I did in the past, though I still wouldn't be confident saying "X Character Definitively Scored Higher than Y" or even that someone who cleaned up in the ballot is a necessarily a guarantee. But for a general ballpark, I think it's probably pretty accurate.

Yeah, I always felt like the exit polls were a decent, but not perfect, way to estimate generally who was voted for; but back when I was lurking the Smashboards during the Ballot days; you made very good points about their validity, which I took to heart.

But, as you said, the longer we go on in this lead-up to Smash Ultimate, the more generally accurate the myriad exit polls seem.

I think the reason why they're somewhat accurate is that the "hardcore" Smash fans are the ones most likely to make impassioned 'speeches' in their Ballot entries about why they want the character (as opposed to the casual fans who are more than likely going to trend towards the example sentence of "I want Cat Mario because I like Meow Meow Mario"); I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai paid attention to these longer entries, even if he didn't actually read them personally.

Uhm, what? BK is the one who works the least as a boss. Why have an humanoid boss when you can have giant *** dragons that couldn't be anywhere else

Duma for Smash U Boss.

 

[drag0nscythe]

No ATs you think?

Based on wii u, not sure. Would like that though if we got some also.

 

[Cosmic77]

True, but something tells me not all characters will be fan favorites. I think Sakurai will reveal a few that either he or Nintendo want in the game, that the fans may not have wanted very much

Any type of Gen VII Pokemon can't be considered a fan favorite if Sakurai chose them before November 2016. There's also the possibility of characters Nintendo personally asked Sakurai to add, but I'm not sure who those would be. Spring Man maybe?

I, too, believe we're getting Incineroar.

Incineroar is grossly underrated. He'd probably be more popular if so many people didn't expect Decidueye early on.

 

[CommanderZaktan]

I'm going to predict the characters, no echoes, that could be revealed for Smash in months.
September: Elma
October: Skull Kid
November: Incineroar and Geno

 

[PeridotGX]

Kirby Pack:

New characters: Bandana Dee, Marx, Susie (Bowser. Jr echo)
New Stages: Sectonia's Throne Room, Dream Palace
New Assist Trophies: Dyna Blade, Dark Mind, Morpho Knight

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Incineroar has good potential for unique personality because Smash surpirisingly doesnt have a showboating flexing type character yet. I bet his animations would be hilarious

his classic campaign is just Pokemon+big dudes since he seems like the type of guy to fight the strongest dude in a bar

 

[drag0nscythe]

I'm going to predict the characters, no echoes, that could be revealed for Smash in months.
September: Elma
October: Skull Kid
November: Incineroar and Geno

Setember: bandanna dee
October: skull kid
November: geno

And that is it.

 

[ThreeT]

How many more newcomers do you believe will be in the game (non-echoes)?

I'm thinking we won't have more than four

Edit: More characters.

 

[ned_ballad]

How many newcomers do you believe will be in the game (non-echoes)?

I'm thinking we won't have more than four

4 more and 4-6 more echoes

 

[drag0nscythe]

How many newcomers do you believe will be in the game (non-echoes)?

I'm thinking we won't have more than four

3. And just 3 more.

 

[Cosmic77]

How many newcomers do you believe will be in the game (non-echoes)?

I'm thinking we won't have more than four

But we already have four non-Echo newcomers right now.

 

[PeridotGX]

How many newcomers do you believe will be in the game (non-echoes)?

I'm thinking we won't have more than four

I think we have 4 or 5 uniques left, and who knows how many echoes.

 

[Billybae10K]

How many newcomers do you believe will be in the game (non-echoes)?

I'm thinking we won't have more than four

I'd hazard 4 unique newcomers and 6 echoes.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Oh not everything always went as smoothly let me tell you! Lots of competition especially between K.Rool and Dixie fans, which pulled me back greatly from the official K.Rool support thread, cause I always felt Dixie is just as deserving and probably needs the support more (I was right). And even back in the Brawl days there where some minor idiots who argued King K.Rool would've been a better addition than Diddy due to... strange reasons. One being another Kong means that Diddy would be a DK clone for example ... Luckily that wasn't as much of a thing.

Yeah the Diddy supporters where quite eager to jump over to support King K.Rool however. But see, that happens when a popular franchise goes on a hiatus and then even tries to bury it's most beloved characters. Even us DIDDY supporters had it badly with "relevance" seeing as Jungle Beat didn't even had Diddy, but this.

Now compare that to K.Rool's situation, and where he was ballantly replaced with a expy as this...

Luckily for us Diddy supporters, PAON was still around to make games as DK King of Swing and Jungle Climber, giving Diddy his needed roles, plus having lots of "Mario cameo relevance" due to suddenly appearing in Mario Kart Double Dash, Mario Tennis & Golf for GameCube, and all that.

It's been a rough ride, but am seeing this through till Dixie at the very least enters Ultimate.

Yeah, on all fronts of the DK fanbase it's been rocky. In particular, the 64 Kongs, after the Paon era ended, wound up ignored to the point that Funky had to be promoted and Cranky came out of retirement. We're finally starting to see the end of these dark ages, and K. Rool (and potentially Dixie)'s inclusion is the very first step towards that.

 

[papagenos]

How many newcomers do you believe will be in the game (non-echoes)?

I'm thinking we won't have more than four

4-6 but i wouldnt be shocked at just 4 though.

 

[masterluigi1]

It's pretty telling me to that new ATs like Krystal, Zero, Bomberman, Knuckles, etc, all scored respectably but not super highly. Even Rathalos can be kind of fudged given the decent placement of a generic "monster hunter."

With that in mind, as high as Waluigi may have placed in the west, he was very low in Japan, and in reverse, Chrom was completely absent in the west but scored decently in Japan. Also in Japan, Shadow is much higher than Knuckles, for what that's worth.

yet most of those assist trophies scored HIGHER than simon

Simon wasn't even ranked in japan from what i see.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me how simon was a safe bet

 

[monadoboy]

Always nice to see people remember the work I did. That was a long 2.5 years covering everything. Glad to just sit back and ride this one out this time rather than being glued to my phone 24/7. Now I can survive being glued 22/7 and have 2 hours for some other parts of life.

Wait, you're the SSB4Dojo from tumblr? You did a really good job back then.

To stay on topic, now that Echoes can have completely different idle/etc. animations, is Funky plausible now?

 

[Kuon]

I, too, believe we're getting Incineroar.

lol well I wasn't referring to him, but yeah! He has a better chance than pretty much any other Gen 7 Pokémon

 

[DLEAF]

Yeah, on all fronts of the DK fanbase it's been rocky. In particular, the 64 Kongs, after the Paon era ended, wound up ignored to the point that Funky had to be promoted and Cranky came out of retirement. We're finally starting to see the end of these dark ages, and K. Rool (and potentially Dixie)'s inclusion is the very first step towards that.

Goodness gracious I hope you're right, it's a bad sign when Lanky's most recent appearance was a trophy in Sm4sh.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I'm going to predict the characters, no echoes, that could be revealed for Smash in months.
September: Elma
October: Skull Kid
November: Incineroar and Geno

September: Elma and Bandana Dee
October: Skull Kid and Isaac
November: Triple reveal - Chorus Kids, Gen 7 and Geno
December: Rex and Pyra teased as first DLC

 

[WingedSupernova]

Dlc, please give me goemon

A capcom pack, a konami pack, a sega pack, a namco pack.

Capcom
Ameturatsu
Viewtiful joe

Konami
Goemon
Rocket knight

Sega
Knights
Billy hatcher

Namco
Dig dig
Heihachi

I cannot accept a Capcom pack without Phoenix in it.