Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[cothero]

I think Shadow, Jeanne and Ken chances of inclusions are very likely now that thirdy party echoes are happening. Naked Snake as Snake's echo would be fun too.

 

[Sonic Poke]

Victreebell is actually the ugliest Pokemon of all time.
It's eyes are under it's mouth that's disturbing.

To me he is badass. One of my favourite pokemon ever.

 

[Shroob]

I'm not banking on this being the final shape of the roster(Though it could be), but there's one issue here, speculation of course.



If Echo Fighters 'have' to be next to their originals, then we come into a problem with Villager and the supposed Isabelle claim. Unless either Dixie or Shadow aren't in, or there's a 3rd Echo up there(Impa, maybe?), then Villager would be pushed to the end of his column, seperating him from Isabelle.



I don't think the Final Roster is going to have 7-8 rows of 10 characters obviously, it'd be way too crowded, but just a speculation thought, since this is the closest look at 'what the css may look like' that we've gotten.

 

[Yonder]

This would please me immensely.

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#00: Team Rocket

Prepare for trouble! And make it double! Jessie, James, and Meowth have finally arrived in Super Smash Bros.! This troublemaking trio is ready to battle, but it looks like they don’t do their fighting directly. Instead, Meowth will team up with Arbok and Weezing to do the fighting for them!

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They could even have the gimmick of 100% Star KO rate when they get knocked off the stage (We're blasting off agaaaaain!)

Jigglypuff then finds herself not being punished for hitting rest...

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

They are probably saving that for DLC

Dry Bowser, $20

It could be worse, DOA5 in general had a bunch of DLC costumes that let the fighters dress up as characters from various unrelated series and games.

Including Popful Mail, of all things.

This would please me immensely.

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#00: Team Rocket

Prepare for trouble! And make it double! Jessie, James, and Meowth have finally arrived in Super Smash Bros.! This troublemaking trio is ready to battle, but it looks like they don’t do their fighting directly. Instead, Meowth will team up with Arbok and Weezing to do the fighting for them!

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Top tier ideas right here. Tbh X&Y anime kinda burnt me out on Team Rocket, but this particular idea would be incredible.

You know what, it's not that crazy since Pokémon Let's Go is a remake of Yellow, so they actually have more traction now. Plus it's the best way to have Meowth in without anyone crying foul.

Also, Meowth saying their defeat catch phrase by himself in a Star KO would be hilarious.

So...

Loz18 is still around actually!!!

He said that there's no info about Isabell being in and that Spirits is a mode that he has no ideal about...

So yeah!

So there we have it, looks like we still don't know if Isabelle will make it in any capacity.

 

[Noipoi]

To me he is badass. One of my favourite pokemon ever.

That's fine, I was just overreacting for the sake of comedy.
Victreebell does disturb me though.

 

[Mc.Rad]

Black Shadow - Ganondorf Echo with Captain Falcon's animations (so... Falcondorf)

I have the feeling that is the real way that Black Shadow will show up. Like even if I pull the break on my Deathborn hype train, that's honestly what we should expect/

 

[Pyra]

They're always next to each other, unless you choose to merge them, it seems.

Black Shadow - Ganondorf Echo with Captain Falcon's animations (so... Falcondorf)​

Black Knight - Ike Echo with Double-Edge Dance (as Eclipse) and Warp.​

Medusa - Palutena Echo with Disable.​

Shadow - Sonic Echo with Teleport (as Chaos Control) and a variation of Palutena Bow (as Chaos Spear)​

Emolga - Pichu Echo with Peach's floating.​

Zoroark - Wolf Echo with Lucario elements​

New Echo I mentally stumbled upon:

Tetra - Toon Link echo with... um... *shrug*​

I was talking about the Black Shadow thing in the writer's discord recently and I really like the idea of Falcondorf coming back as an actual Falcon echo, haha.

 

[Giga Kaiju]

Ok, list of characters that I want. Hmm.

Already got Ridley and King K. Rool. Waluigi has been deconfirmed so a pity there but oh well, maybe next time. Characters left, I would say:

1.- Geno
2.- Custom Robo Rep (Any of the Ray Fighters or a new one for Smash, it depends)
3.- Shadow The Hedgehog (ε).

And that is pretty much it. Any other is extra and could be cool if implemented right. I am not that picky. If the character looks cool and fun to play then that is fine.



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[MainJPW]

Spoiler: Off-Topic Goku Talk

People complain about the number of Gokus in FighterZ but Budokai Tenkaichi 3 had:
Goku (Early)
Goku (Mid) | Goku (Super Saiyan, Mid)
Goku (End) | Goku (Super Saiyan, End) | Goku (Super Saiyan 2) | Goku (Super Saiyan 3, End)
Goku (GT) | Goku (Super Saiyan, GT) | Goku (Super Saiyan 3, GT) | Goku (Super Saiyan 4)
Goku (Kid) | Goku (Great Ape)
Vegito | Vegito (Super Saiyan)
Gogeta (Super Saiyan) | Gogeta (Super Saiyan 4)

At least the Gokus we have in FighterZ are all a lot more different than these guys.

The Goku's in Fighterz have more worthwhile differences than all the characters in Tenkaichi 3.

They're always next to each other, unless you choose to merge them, it seems.

Black Shadow - Ganondorf Echo with Captain Falcon's animations (so... Falcondorf)​

Black Knight - Ike Echo with Double-Edge Dance (as Eclipse) and Warp.​

Medusa - Palutena Echo with Disable.​

Shadow - Sonic Echo with Teleport (as Chaos Control) and a variation of Palutena Bow (as Chaos Spear)​

Emolga - Pichu Echo with Peach's floating.​

Zoroark - Wolf Echo with Lucario elements​

New Echo I mentally stumbled upon:

Tetra - Toon Link echo with... um... *shrug*​

Tetra as a Toon Link echo... hmm...

I mean, I'd take it but wouldn't she need a sword like Links? The Cutlass wouldn't look right.

 

[Iridium]

Victreebell is actually the ugliest Pokemon of all time.
It's eyes are under it's mouth that's disturbing.

I would argue Crabominable could take that title.

 

[SirCamp]

It's dependent on how many Sakurai wants. Going off of who's left you could possibly do:
- Isabelle
- Dixie
- Shadow
- Ken

Off the top of my head that's in the high range. In the lower ranges you got

- Ninten (could end up getting Alph'd)
- Giygas
- Louie (still mad they did my boy Alph dirty AGAIN)
- Ms. PAC-MAN (could end up getting Alph'd)

I could also see Impa, Yarn Yoshi, Black Shadow, Hilda, Dry Bowser, and even potentially and echo of an as yet revealed character since that can apparently happen. I'm sure there are other options I'm not considering as well.

 

[Mc.Rad]

I was talking about the Black Shadow thing in the writer's discord recently and I really like the idea of Falcondorf coming back as an actual Falcon echo, haha.

Honestly Falcondorf fits Black Shadow more than it did Ganondorf...

I still do think just an echo for the franchise would be really mean spirited at this point to be honest

 

[Idon]

Yes, Falcondorf can finally come back as Black Shadow so we can finally get Project Ganondorf.
Hahaha, it's never happening

 

[Will]

You also forgot Impa.

Oh yeah. I don't believe in her potential as an Echo but we'll see.

I was talking about the Black Shadow thing in the writer's discord recently and I really like the idea of Falcondorf coming back as an actual Falcon echo, haha.

I mean, Ganon's old smash attacks have been removed. He could just use those.

I have the feeling that is the real way that Black Shadow will show up. Like even if I pull the break on my Deathborn hype train, that's honestly what we should expect/

You say that like we're supposed to expect anything else.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I would argue Crabominable could take that title.

That reminds me, Gamefreak said they expect to see Crabrawler a lot in competitions.

Maybe the competition they were talking about wasn't Pokemon

Crabrawler scuttles in!

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

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I'm not banking on this being the final shape of the roster(Though it could be), but there's one issue here, speculation of course.



If Echo Fighters 'have' to be next to their originals, then we come into a problem with Villager and the supposed Isabelle claim. Unless either Dixie or Shadow aren't in, or there's a 3rd Echo up there(Impa, maybe?), then Villager would be pushed to the end of his column, seperating him from Isabelle.



I don't think the Final Roster is going to have 7-8 rows of 10 characters obviously, it'd be way too crowded, but just a speculation thought, since this is the closest look at 'what the css may look like' that we've gotten.

My main problem right now is what our options for organizing the roster will be. I hope that there's an option that sorts fighters by series.

 

[Pyra]

I mean, Ganon's old smash attacks have been removed. He could just use those.

That's what I meant by that...

 

[Tree Gelbman]

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I'm not banking on this being the final shape of the roster(Though it could be), but there's one issue here, speculation of course.



If Echo Fighters 'have' to be next to their originals, then we come into a problem with Villager and the supposed Isabelle claim. Unless either Dixie or Shadow aren't in, or there's a 3rd Echo up there(Impa, maybe?), then Villager would be pushed to the end of his column, seperating him from Isabelle.



I don't think the Final Roster is going to have 7-8 rows of 10 characters obviously, it'd be way too crowded, but just a speculation thought, since this is the closest look at 'what the css may look like' that we've gotten.

It's because Isabelle isn't an echo. ~~

Verge has gotten pretty much everyone he said right and every one of them has been unique.

He hasn't gotten a single echo in his leaks.

So why would Isabelle suddenly be the one echo he knows about?

 

[Mc.Rad]

You say that like we're supposed to expect anything else.

They can just... straight up not put any new F-Zero characters in... like they did for the past 20-ish years now

 

[Iridium]

That reminds me, Gamefreak said they expect to see Crabrawler a lot in competitions.

Maybe the competition they were talking about wasn't Pokemon

Crabrawler scuttles in!

Remember that crazy Wurmple leak? We all knew it was fake, but some people really wanted to see it happen afterwards!

 

[Deleted member]

I would argue Crabominable could take that title.

Crabominable is a sweet snow crab child. No Bulli.

 

[Will]

That reminds me, Gamefreak said they expect to see Crabrawler a lot in competitions.

Maybe the competition they were talking about wasn't Pokemon

Crabrawler scuttles in!

You have no idea how down I'd be for a crab fighter

That's what I meant by that...

My bad then. Guess that's my karma for both of us misinterpreting the other.

 

[Sonic Poke]

Wrong.

Spoiler

No effing way.

How can you say this gorgeous foxy pokemon is ugly? It is just perfect.

 

[KMDP]

The Goku's in Fighterz have more worthwhile differences than all the characters in Tenkaichi 3.

You forgot the "Combined".

Tetra as a Toon Link echo... hmm...

I mean, I'd take it but wouldn't she need a sword like Links? The Cutlass wouldn't look right.

A Cutlass isn't that different from a Short Sword, in terms of game logic.

She's have to lose the Bow, but what do you replace it with? *think emote*

Also, Ravio as a Young Link Echo (also, a missed keystroke pointed out to me that it should be "Rabio" as in, "Rabbit", 'cause he has a Rabbit hood).

 

[Nazyrus]

So… If Shovel Knight is ruled out as the indie character we could've gotten as playable… What other indie character with high demand do you think could be the lucky one? I honestly think Shantae would be the one (plus whatever that codename leak was about, which i think it's fake but it talked about ponytail as one of them, and somehow i don't think it meant Dixie…)

 

[Pyra]

You forgot the "Combined".

A Cutlass isn't that different from a Short Sword, in terms of game logic.

She's have to lose the Bow, but what do you replace it with? *think emote*

Also, Ravio as a Young Link Echo (also, a missed keystroke pointed out to me that it should be "Rabio" as in, "Rabbit", 'cause he has a Rabbit hood).

Is there some kind of reason she's unable to use a bow?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Honestly Falcondorf fits Black Shadow more than it did Ganondorf...

I still do think just an echo for the franchise would be really mean spirited at this point to be honest

I wouldn't mind it too much as long as we get the glorious Wakamoto voicing him, and if a second character can join at the same time.

 

[Shroob]

It's because Isabelle isn't an echo. ~~

Verge has gotten pretty much everyone he said right and every one of them has been unique.

He hasn't gotten a single echo in his leaks.

So why would Isabelle suddenly be the one echo he knows about?

Honestly, starting to feel that way myself if this is the case.

But something just doesn't sit right either.

Dark Samus gets a short end of the stick, but Isabelle gets an entirely new moveset?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Y'know, maybe we won't get a Xenoblade rep for base game?

Sakurai bringing up the amount of stages really seems like a giveaway that it's the final stage roster for until DLC.

Why would he have given a number if it's not the full one?

Why does this deny a Xenoblade rep? Because unless they're from the first game, the rep would NEED a stage representing the game they're in.

 

[Iridium]

Crabominable is a sweet snow crab child. No Bulli.

Hmmm. Maybe Missingno. or Garbodor. Can't find literal beauty in a sentient pile of garbage, now can you!

 

[Starbound]

My main problem right now is what our options for organizing the roster will be. I hope that there's an option that sorts fighters by series.

Sakurai made a point of arranging the stages just like the characters, being chronologically. Pretty safe to say that's how the roster is looking. If there's an option, which I also hope, that's great, but I don't think it's a problem given the nature of the game (it's heavily emphasizing the historical nature of Smash in terms of content).

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Sakurai made a point of arranging the stages just like the characters, being chronologically. Pretty safe to say that's how the roster is looking. If there's an option, which I also hope, that's great, but I don't think it's a problem given the nature of the game (it's heavily emphasizing the historical nature of Smash in terms of content).

Still, you would think that sorting the roster by series would make it look cleaner.

 

[Deleted member]

No effing way.

How can you say this gorgeous foxy pokemon is ugly? It is just perfect.

Because it's an ugly mess?

 

[Pyra]

I wonder how different speculation would be if people took Verg and Loz out of the equation and talked about Isabelle's (and the other's) chances outside the context of leaks...

EDIT:
Oh god loool
I meant recent discourse, sorry guys.

Isabelle is a well loved and popular character regardless.

 

[Mc.Rad]

I wouldn't mind it too much as long as we get the glorious Wakamoto voicing him, and if a second character can join at the same time.

So we could finally have Jotaro and Dio in the game???

Because Matt Mercher played Jotaro in the Anime Dub and Wakamoto was Dio in the Drama CD's

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Still, you would think that sorting the roster by series would make it look cleaner.

But at the same time, given how DLC looked in 4, doing the same thing again wouldn't be out of place :^)

 

[Starry]

I really hope that they do an Octopath Traveler stage as DLC. That game is just tooooo pretty not to be a stage!

 

[KMDP]

Is there some kind of reason she's unable to use a bow?

No.
...
Wait.
...
Toon Zelda uses a bow. It's like the one thing she does.

Damn my brain. WIND WAKER IS MY FAVOURITE ZELDA AND I FORGOT THIS!

Give her a Light Arrow, it flies far and fast, and it's arc doesn't decay.

You have no idea how down I'd be for a crab fighter.

Craaaab People. Craaaab People. Taste like Crab. Talk like People.

 

[Deleted member]

Hmmm. Maybe Missingno. or Garbodor. Can't find literal beauty in a sentient pile of garbage, now can you!

It's not that bad. Not one of my Gen 5 favorites, but far from its worst design.