Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Mewtader]

I'm Curious as to how many people here want Sora in smash.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Oh.

But how many total Geno supporters did you count however?

ATM it's 87 total, but 85 confirmed.

I didn't even keep a supporter list until around E3. I don't really like using supporter lists because people kinda use it as a "**** measuring contest". The thing is, Brawl showed me it doesn't actually matter how big it is, because thread length or huge supporter lists don't get the character in Smash. BUT, the people in my thread kept asking for it, so I added one

 

[KMDP]

The thing is, A LOT of King K. Rool supporters seem to jump over to Isaac.

But the fact that Geno only has 82 confuses me a little. Isn’t he supposed to be more popular than Isaac? Obviously, Geno seems to be very popular, but Isaac has A LOT of vocal support.

Geno seems to take a bit of a back seat when it comes to these things.

Actually, most of the K. Rool supporters jumped to Banjo. Isaac went up by ~30 since last count, Banjo went up by 140!

 

[Blue7113]

I know I’m late but whatever I like my list. I want:

Isaac
Bandana Dee
Geno
Banjo
Masked Man
Chorus Kids
Skull Kid
Isabelle (e)
Black Shadow (e)

 

[Nazyrus]

Has it been already talked about if there is fear for Stage morph to cause a lot of lag or something?

 

[Will]

I also forgot to mention Black Shadow in an Echo thing, whoops.

I'm Curious as to how many people here want Sora in smash.

I still recall the director saying no, but since I already got my one-and-only obliterated I don't really care who gets in unless it's stupid like Roy/Corrin.

 

[Pyra]

We're getting 63 echo fighters.
We're DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi 3 now

in that the roster is huge and a lot of them are kinda the same character

 

[monadoboy]

This has been bothering me for a while... Is there a possibility of Meta Ridley being an Echo instead of an alt? It's weird he was missing from the demo, but then again he's seen in the website. If he's an Echo I get why he wouldn't be shown in the trailer since he's revived Ridley.
Both missing alts in the demo are now Echoes, but that's grasping at straws.

Imagine a timeline with five Metroid characters tho

 

[MainJPW]

I dont care SA1 was more enjoyable to me. Sonic 1 is zzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ



Final Rush is incredible stage filled with multiple path ways and using sonic abilities to the best. If you understand SA2 mechanics well, Final rush is a blast to play through. Its what a 3D sonic stage should be.

Wish I could agree, but It's rails suspended over a bottomless pit. It's on the same level as Rail Canyon.

Its hilarious that SA2 gets **** on and yet CD is just as flawed but whatever "Adventure game are bad lol MEMES XD"

My legit criticism of the Adventure games is written off as "lol memes" like I'm the Game Grumps. K cool.

I love Sonic Adventure. It's ingrained in my brain.

problem with boost is that its expensive to make all those assets for it when your just going to pass through the whole stage within in a minute.

they shouldn't depend on it if there going to run into issues like this. Funny enough generations was going to be the last boost game but i guess Boom failure and Lost World criticisms scared them back sadly.

That's not even the half of it. I'll quote what I said a month ago.

Tad late response but I think another problem with the Boost formula is its effect on level design. 3D platforming is largely an afterthought to the Boost formula's game design and that becomes very obvious whenever the gameplay steps away from high-speed thrills and spectacle and makes it the focus. Whatever flow the Boost gameplay establishes with its consistently fast-paced nature falls apart due to how clunky and choppy the controls are at slower speeds and how rudimentary the level design shows itself to be when it's not tailored towards moving as fast as possible.

In the classics and Mania the Spindash has actual downsides that means it's not always the best choice for going achieving speed, but because you need to come to a stop and charge it, you need to decide when that extra burst of speed is going to save time in the long run or if you're better off just continuing to run.

Because the Spin Dash puts you into a rolling state you need to decide whether if it's worth putting yourself more at the mercy of the terrain or staying on your feet so you can manually accelerate (or take the risk of Spindashing and find an opportunity to hop to your feet). You need to think ahead regarding loops and wall/ceiling runs because you can't Spin Dash if you aren't on the ground. Because the Spin Dash isn't always available or ideal, nor is it how you reach the fastest speeds, other game mechanics like the slope physics and various level gimmicks have time to shine. It's about balance.

Meanwhile, if you want to go fast in a Boost game, just press boost. That's it. That's always the right answer. It's essentially instant, continuous top speed at the press of a button, usable in almost any situation, for only the cost of some fuel that the game almost constantly throws at you.

 

[Starbound]

How about this lineup for Zelda?


Twili Midna as Zelda echo (with a different model for Phantom like a Zant head or idk)

SS Impa as Sheik echo



Skull Kid

Every console Zelda is covered here, as well as most games aside from Awakening, the Oracles and Minish Cap (I think...).

This has been bothering me for a while... Is there a possibility of Meta Ridley being an Echo instead of an alt? It's weird he was missing from the demo, but then again he's seen in the website. If he's an Echo I get why he wouldn't be shown in the trailer since he's revived Ridley.
Both missing alts in the demo are now Echoes, but that's grasping at straws.

Imagine a timeline with five Metroid characters tho

If this happens, can we get Alph promoted to Echo instead of being the lone alt character?

 

[Blue7113]

If this happens, can we get Alph promoted to Echo instead of being the lone alt character?

The Koopalings?

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

I also forgot to mention Black Shadow in an Echo thing, whoops.


I still recall the director saying no, but since I already got my one-and-only obliterated I don't really care who gets in unless it's stupid like Roy/Corrin.

You also forgot Impa.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I guess it's still possible to get Skull Kid or Impa, but I kinda of doubt we're going to get both. I know they aren't related since Impa would be an echo and Skull Kid would be unique. Probably.

 

[monadoboy]

If this happens, can we get Alph promoted to Echo instead of being the lone alt character?

Could also leave Alph as a costume and add a Louie Echo with one of the other captains as an alt costume. 4 Pikmin captains for the price of one and a half.

 

[PSIGuy]

Maybe we're getting unlockable alternate outfits? For characters like Ike, Wario and Little Mac this would mean they can get 8 versions of each costume.

 

[Pyra]

I guess it's still possible to get Skull Kid or Impa, but I kinda of doubt we're going to get both. I know they aren't related since Impa would be an echo and Skull Kid would be unique. Probably.

Impa has potential to be unique. She also has potential to be an echo, though. And because of that everyone kinda defaults to "echo".
I've kinda psyched myself up in my head that Skull Kid would probably make for an awesome boss fight, which either sets me up to be impressed with the boss fight, excited that it actually ended up playable... or sad it's not a boss fight (and still just an AT), which I'd be okay with ultimately.

He could be both playable, and a boss (so, like a normal fight but probably with some kind of gimmick).
Like Ganondorf might end up being.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Maybe we're getting unlockable alternate outfits? For characters like Ike, Wario and Little Mac this would mean they can get 8 versions of each costume.

They are probably saving that for DLC

Dry Bowser, $20

 

[KMDP]

We're getting 63 echo fighters.
We're DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi 3 now

in that the roster is huge and a lot of them are kinda the same character

Spoiler: Off-Topic Goku Talk

People complain about the number of Gokus in FighterZ but Budokai Tenkaichi 3 had:
Goku (Early)
Goku (Mid) | Goku (Super Saiyan, Mid)
Goku (End) | Goku (Super Saiyan, End) | Goku (Super Saiyan 2) | Goku (Super Saiyan 3, End)
Goku (GT) | Goku (Super Saiyan, GT) | Goku (Super Saiyan 3, GT) | Goku (Super Saiyan 4)
Goku (Kid) | Goku (Great Ape)
Vegito | Vegito (Super Saiyan)
Gogeta (Super Saiyan) | Gogeta (Super Saiyan 4)

At least the Gokus we have in FighterZ are all a lot more different than these guys.

Impa has potential to be unique. She also has potential to be an echo, though. And because of that everyone kinda defaults to "echo".
I've kinda psyched myself up in my head that Skull Kid would probably make for an awesome boss fight, which either sets me up to be impressed with the boss fight, excited that it actually ended up playable... or sad it's not a boss fight (and still just an AT), which I'd be okay with ultimately.

Impa as a Sheik Echo with Ike elements.

 

[Arcadenik]

Sakurai truly can't please everyone. Tragic.

This would please me immensely.

#00: Team Rocket

Prepare for trouble! And make it double! Jessie, James, and Meowth have finally arrived in Super Smash Bros.! This troublemaking trio is ready to battle, but it looks like they don’t do their fighting directly. Instead, Meowth will team up with Arbok and Weezing to do the fighting for them!

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

Impa has potential to be unique. She also has potential to be an echo, though. And because of that everyone kinda defaults to "echo".

Honestly, I'm just fine with whatever gets her in the game, though I would love for her to be unique. I really want a Hyrule Warriors-inspired moveset.

 

[Mc.Rad]

So...

Loz18 is still around actually!!!

He said that there's no info about Isabell being in and that Spirits is a mode that he has no ideal about...

So yeah!

 

[Pyra]

Spoiler: Off-Topic Goku Talk

People complain about the number of Gokus in FighterZ but Budokai Tenkaichi 3 had:
Goku (Early)
Goku (Mid) | Goku (Super Saiyan, Mid)
Goku (End) | Goku (Super Saiyan, End) | Goku (Super Saiyan 2) | Goku (Super Saiyan 3, End)
Goku (GT) | Goku (Super Saiyan, GT) | Goku (Super Saiyan 3, GT) | Goku (Super Saiyan 4)
Goku (Kid) | Goku (Great Ape)
Vegito | Vegito (Super Saiyan)
Gogeta (Super Saiyan) | Gogeta (Super Saiyan 4)

At least the Gokus we have in FighterZ are all a lot more different than these guys.

Impa as a Sheik Echo with Ike elements.

Honestly, I'm just fine with whatever gets her in the game, though I would love for her to be unique. I really want a Hyrule Warriors-inspired moveset.

Ike Echo with Sheik elements.
She's got a big sword, and also needles and an explosion teleportation up special.

 

[Bradli Wartooth]

This would please me immensely.

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#00: Team Rocket

Prepare for trouble! And make it double! Jessie, James, and Meowth have finally arrived in Super Smash Bros.! This troublemaking trio is ready to battle, but it looks like they don’t do their fighting directly. Instead, Meowth will team up with Arbok and Weezing to do the fighting for them!

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Top tier ideas right here. Tbh X&Y anime kinda burnt me out on Team Rocket, but this particular idea would be incredible.

 

[Shroob]

He's a thought.


Do Echo Fighters have to be directly next to their original fighter, or can there be a line break between them? So far in every image that shows off what a mock-up of the current roster looks like, they're almost always next to one another.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

He's a thought.


Do Echo Fighters have to be directly next to their original fighter, or can there be a line break between them? So far in every image that shows off what a mock-up of the current roster looks like, they're almost always next to one another.

They are next to each other on the site, and they stack with a selected option. I think they will be next to the character they are based on

 

[Pyra]

Actually, I'm not gonna lie;
I want to see more hybrid echos like Chrom apparently is.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Actually, I'm not gonna lie;
I want to see more hybrid echos like Chrom apparently is.

Dixie was the first one that came to my mind. Have a modified version of DK's up B but mostly with Diddy's attacks.

 

[Noipoi]

This would please me immensely.

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#00: Team Rocket

Prepare for trouble! And make it double! Jessie, James, and Meowth have finally arrived in Super Smash Bros.! This troublemaking trio is ready to battle, but it looks like they don’t do their fighting directly. Instead, Meowth will team up with Arbok and Weezing to do the fighting for them!

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I will never get over how Meowth doesn't seem to talk in Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee.
Top 10 missed opportunities, then again the whole game is a missed opportunity.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I'l be over here supporting Hilda as a Zelda Echo. Now with 40% more stolen Palutena tilts!

To talk music, I hope the Aria of Sorrow remix is as awesome as Harmony of Despair's rendition.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Whoa, wait, what’s this about a new rumor?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Palutena tilts!

am I the only person that read that wrong?

 

[Sonic Poke]

This would please me immensely.

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#00: Team Rocket

Prepare for trouble! And make it double! Jessie, James, and Meowth have finally arrived in Super Smash Bros.! This troublemaking trio is ready to battle, but it looks like they don’t do their fighting directly. Instead, Meowth will team up with Arbok and Weezing to do the fighting for them!

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Jeez yes, I have been supporting them my whole life.

But I would rather have Victreebel instead of Weezing. Sure Weezing can be made to work but Victreebel would be much less awkward. And I need victory poses with Victreebel swallowing James.

 

[Nazyrus]

am I the only person that read that wrong?

Nope, I did as well, lol

 

[Noipoi]

Jeez yes, I have been supporting them my whole life.

But I would rather have Victreebel instead of Weezing. Sure Weezing can be made to work but Victreebel would be much less awkward. And I need victory poses with Victreebel swallowing James.

Victreebell is actually the ugliest Pokemon of all time.
It's eyes are under it's mouth that's disturbing.

 

[Pyra]

Dixie was the first one that came to my mind. Have a modified version of DK's up B but mostly with Diddy's attacks.

Definitely, I think a new potential has opened up for her since whatever Chrom is was revealed.

 

[Deleted member]

Victreebell is actually the ugliest Pokemon of all time.

Wrong.

Spoiler

 

[KMDP]

He's a thought.


Do Echo Fighters have to be directly next to their original fighter, or can there be a line break between them? So far in every image that shows off what a mock-up of the current roster looks like, they're almost always next to one another.

They're always next to each other, unless you choose to merge them, it seems.

Actually, I'm not gonna lie;
I want to see more hybrid echos like Chrom apparently is.

Black Shadow - Ganondorf Echo with Captain Falcon's animations (so... Falcondorf)​

Black Knight - Ike Echo with Double-Edge Dance (as Eclipse) and Warp.​

Medusa - Palutena Echo with Disable.​

Shadow - Sonic Echo with Teleport (as Chaos Control) and a variation of Palutena Bow (as Chaos Spear)​

Emolga - Pichu Echo with Peach's floating.​

Zoroark - Wolf Echo with Lucario elements​

New Echo I mentally stumbled upon:

Tetra - Toon Link echo with... um... *shrug*​

 

[Mc.Rad]

Dixie was the first one that came to my mind. Have a modified version of DK's up B but mostly with Diddy's attacks.

Honestly this could mean that we can get Akuma as an echo... it would be SUPER SICK

 

[Noipoi]

Wrong.

Spoiler

...
Can't argue with that.
Fennekin had so much potential...

 

[Pyra]

Wrong.

Spoiler

Angry reacts only
Just kidding. I don't actually care enough. It is kinda ugly, though, despite me liking the Pokemon.

Whoa, wait, what’s this about a new rumor?

oof
I don't think there was actually a new rumor?
I think someone mentioned something of the sort and then a bunch of people went "RUMOR??????" but I don't think it was actually a thing, considering nobody seems to be able to come up with a source for it. Or, nobody is looking