Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[TMNTSSB4]

Has anyone realized Sakurai is making sure Pit and somewhat Kirby stays in the center of the Smash squad?

 

[MagnesD3]

Adventure had the fanservice.
SSE had the content and the cutscenes.

The problem with SSE is that there's barely any locations that are actually based on Nintendo games. You have generic plains, generic forest, generic jungle, generic canyon, etcetera etcetera. Now an Adventure mode where you explore Mushroom Kingdom, Hyrule, Bionis' Leg (even tho it makes no sense), and so on? **** yeah dude take my 60 buckaroos thats more than worth it.



I'm skeptical on Banjo. Hell, I'm skeptical on Microsoft in general. Unless I see a Minecraft or another screwup like with Bloody Tears, I don't know if I personally see a future in it that isn't just a dream.

I wonder what happened to that intern who made the accident.

I trust verge and the Minecraft stage leak, which would mean being in talks with Microsoft. Bk almost certainly did amazing on the ballot, he even received support from Phil spencer during just the right time, the two big heavy hitters have been shown mad quick with Ridley and K. Rool, I expect he will have even bigger surprises in store as a result.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I legitimately believe Black Shadow has more of a chance than Deathborn, notably because by the SSB4 trophy descriptions, they follow the GP Legend/Climax timeline. Zoda is described to be modified by Black Shadow, which is only true in that series (and the anime but the anime was created before the concept of the games and pretty much served the purpose of Roy in Melee).

They're also the same person in that series so win/win. I also want to hear Verde Coeden Scalesworth thoughts about it since I recall she knows a little bit about the subject as well.

I didn't much pay attention to the story, but I think Black Shadow could make an amazing character. Especially using Ganondorf's previous moveset, so basically an Echo of Ganondorf but using Falcon's animations. Basically what Chrom did.

I'd love for him to get in(second choice easily after Goroh). I don't care if he's a clone or not. My thought is that his trailer could be a reverse of the Falcon Punch meme, with Samurai Goroh being Rick Wheeler.

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As for why no new Ultimate icons, Warchamp7 is at a convention right now. He'll get to 'em soon.

 

[QrowinSP]

Someone came up with the idea of tying target smash to the custom stage builder so people could make their own break the target experiences, possibly making them for specific characters. I think this is a really elegant way of incorporating it, personally.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Considering that Sakurai is not above hurting characters he favors, I'm not sure even those two are safe.

Well Pit has already dealt with a cheating Link and Bayonetta...and joined Mario in the hunt for the dog/duck combo (and the only thing that seems to be close to killing him is being burnt alive and losing his wings)

 

[prowler12]

geno seems to be the next character thats gonna be revealed

 

[Deleted member]

Here is an actual kunai, for reference.

Kunai arguably make more sense for Greninja to use than swords, but I'm wondering if this will affect the range of those moves in any meaningful way. The kunai seem way smaller, but they could be disjointed. Guess we'll have to wait and see. Nice touch, regardless.

 

[Deleted member]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I saw a post earlier this afternoon where Loz18 was saying he didn't believe Isabelle would be in the game. Has he given any info as to why he thinks that? I thought he said Vergeben was on the right track with her and Simon.

 

[Deleted member]

geno seems to be the next character thats gonna be revealed

No, Shrek is going to get revealed next.

 

[FurretBro]

geno seems to be the next character thats gonna be revealed

Honestly, he seems a bit like a lock-in now. We've already gotten almost every lock-in.

 

[Idon]

Yeah, also Kunai are what anime Greninja used during the XYZ anime so that probably has something to do with it as well.

 

[Starbound]

I've been informed that the Rathalos area isn't just some generic level or MH-themed area, it's an actual specific area from MH4 - Ancestral Steppe - and now I'm having a real hard time imagining it'll be exclusive to whatever Spirits Mode is, should that even function like an Adventure Mode.

It seems increasingly obvious to me that we'll be pushing past 103.

Would this hint towards a Monster Hunter character?

I have a hard time thinking that we're getting a named stage from a third party series and not getting a character to go with it?

 

[cothero]

After this Direct, i think we can expect at least one more coming october or november to wrap things up (remaining characters, the secret mode, changes, aesthetics, items, pokémon and assist trophies).

 

[Will]

Would this hint towards a Monster Hunter character?

I have a hard time thinking that we're getting a named stage from a third party series and not getting a character to go with it?

It could possibly be another Bomberman or Rayman scenario. A nod, but nothing playable.

 

[Zinith]

Sakurai says this line around the 8:47 mark in the Direct:

"This time, we plan to reveal the design of every fighter before the game launches. We'll have a few more to announce later, so stay tuned."

Does this mean they'll get to ALL of the fighters that they left in the dark? God I hope so...

 

[prowler12]

Honestly, he seems a bit like a lock-in now. We've already gotten almost every lock-in.

what does lock-in mean

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I feel like we still don’t know most of the content in the game (Sakurai could be hiding a million more things than what was already shown)

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but I saw a post earlier this afternoon where Loz18 was saying he didn't believe Isabelle would be in the game. Has he given any info as to why he thinks that? I thought he said Vergeben was on the right track with her and Simon.

It was an opinion of his. Nothing more.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

I bet Tekken players were saying the same thing.

Were.

Tekken and Smash are two different games. Knowing Sakurai, it isn't gonna happen

So it seems Greninja uses kunai made of water instead of katanas for smash attacks, presumably all. Can't say much for f-air though.

Pretty cool to see Greninja throw out a kunai now! Makes me wonder how it's going to affect his range when he uses it

 

[Iridium]

Sakurai says this line around the 8:47 mark in the Direct:

"This time, we plan to reveal the design of every fighter before the game launches. We'll have a few more to announce later, so stay tuned."

Does this mean they'll get to ALL of the fighters that they left in the dark? God I hope so...

I'll give it two months to happen. I just want try out at least a minute of this game, so the wait hurts.

 

[Dan]

It still feels weird and unjustifiable that Daisy is an Echo.

I have a little game for you all... imagine if we get 3 more smash directs in September, October, And November, and they each reveal 2 unique characters and 1-2 echo fighters. Who will they be?

Here's my example:

September:
Unique: Elma & Geno
Echo: Isabelle

October:
Unique: Nihilego & Heihachi
Echo: Ninten & Galatica Knight

November:
Unique: Chorus Kids & Ayumi Tachibana
Echo: Shadow

If we get ten more characters I will eat a sock.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Would this hint towards a Monster Hunter character?

I have a hard time thinking that we're getting a named stage from a third party series and not getting a character to go with it?

On the other hand, would they really show off the Rathos before showing off a Monster Hunter themself? Honestly, the monsters are the real stars of that game. I think a stage and boss is a more fitting way to represent that franchise then a character, especially since that boss is also getting special treatment as an assist trophy.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Sakurai says this line around the 8:47 mark in the Direct:

"This time, we plan to reveal the design of every fighter before the game launches. We'll have a few more to announce later, so stay tuned."

Does this mean they'll get to ALL of the fighters that they left in the dark? God I hope so...

Well of course he will (makes it better for the remaining characters to not get the ESRB leak treatment)

 

[Zinith]

I'll give it two months to happen. I just want try out at least a minute of this game, so the wait hurts.

I was talking about the 14 or so character (including my boi) that got snubbed at E3

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Why do people like Poke Floats and want it to come back, it's such a weird stage, and it plays terribly.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

No wait a minute. Mario and Mega Man died. We saw Luigi die and become a ghost, AKA a spirit.
Is this leading up to something?

To be fair, Luigi's ghost was preparing to return to his body before he got scared by another Castlevania monster.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Sakurai says this line around the 8:47 mark in the Direct:

"This time, we plan to reveal the design of every fighter before the game launches. We'll have a few more to announce later, so stay tuned."

Does this mean they'll get to ALL of the fighters that they left in the dark? God I hope so...

Especially since after he said that, K. Rool was the only additional character following Simon and the Echoes withing the direct, so it's obvious there will be another one later on.

 

[Iridium]

I was talking about the 14 or so character (including my boi) that got snubbed at E3

Oh. Well, the wait still hurts. Honestly, a lot of the characters I actually care about were unavailable in the playable demos (aside from Link, Sonic, Ike, Pit, Marth, Mega Man, and Corrin), and I like a lot of characters.

 

[Deleted member]

Why do people like Poke Floats and want it to come back, it's such a weird stage, and it plays terribly.

I want it back because it's a weird, janky stage. I've had some dumb fun on that stage back in the day, and with new mechanics like 8-Player or Stage Morph, it could get even crazier.

 

[Noipoi]

Yeah, also Kunai are what anime Greninja used during the XYZ anime so that probably has something to do with it as well.

on the one hand, I feel like Greninja's final smash should've been Ash Greninja from the XYZ anime.
On the other hand, I don't want Ash anywhere near this game.

 

[viewtifulduck82]

I'm honestly sure we are only getting 103 stages. He clearly states there are 103 stages (not 100+) in the game, and the site currently has all 103 listed.

Seeing as sakurai has no reason to blatantly lie, The monster hunter "stage" is probably from a boss battle exclusive area, a boss rush mode, or an adventure mode. It helps that the stage is completely flat, rathalos is shown only fighting one character, and the UI isnt even present at the bottom of the screen.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

on the one hand, I feel like Greninja's final smash should've been Ash Greninja from the XYZ anime.
On the other hand, I don't want Ash anywhere near this game.

The Battle Bond form could always make a brief appearance during the Final Smash, but that's pretty much it.

 

[ZephyrZ]

on the one hand, I feel like Greninja's final smash should've been Ash Greninja from the XYZ anime.
On the other hand, I don't want Ash anywhere near this game.

I'm still a little salty about Ash Greninja being in S&M. I don't mind the anime being referenced from time to time (I'm a Mewtwo player after all), but something about that thing just freaks me the heck out in a way that I don't like.

 

[Will]

I want it back because it's a weird, janky stage. I've had some dumb fun on that stage back in the day, and with new mechanics like 8-Player or Stage Morph, it could get even crazier.

I think that's the problem with it, Stage Morph would probably be a mega pain to implement with that mode. I feel like Pac-Maze got cut for the same reason.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Why do people like Poke Floats and want it to come back, it's such a weird stage, and it plays terribly.

The weirdness is beautiful...and it plays perfectly for a weird Pokémon stage

I was talking about the 14 or so character (including my boi) that got snubbed at E3

Didn’t do his damn taxes, what did you expect? Be glad managed to keep him in the game

 

[Iridium]

on the one hand, I feel like Greninja's final smash should've been Ash Greninja from the XYZ anime.
On the other hand, I don't want Ash anywhere near this game.

This also gets me thinking. How does a trainer not being Ash even get Ash-Greninja, looking at OR/AS in Pokémon? I don't really get why they would allow for this aside from thinking how cool getting such a Greninja is.

 

[N3ON]

Would this hint towards a Monster Hunter character?

I have a hard time thinking that we're getting a named stage from a third party series and not getting a character to go with it?

I don't think we will. Smash continues to be increasingly liberal with its third-parties. Now we have multiple ones from the same series, items, third-party IPs solely as ATs, indie IPs... stands to reason we could get a stage without a character. Happens with Nintendo series.

And of any series it makes sense for Monster Hunter, where the monsters are more defined 'characters' than the hunter.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I'm honestly sure we are only getting 103 stages. He clearly states there are 103 stages (not 100+) in the game, and the site currently has all 103 listed.

Seeing as sakurai has no reason to blatantly lie, The monster hunter "stage" is probably from a boss battle exclusive area, a boss rush mode, or an adventure mode. It helps that the stage is completely flat, rathalos is shown only fighting one character, and the UI isnt even present at the bottom of the screen.

I do recall that Sakurai teased people about Zero Suit Samus not returning in Smash 3DS / Wii U, and then revealed her soon after. But if 103 stages is the maximum, then I guess DLC stages might be out of the question.

 

[N3ON]

I do recall that Sakurai teased people about Zero Suit Samus not returning in Smash 3DS / Wii U, and then revealed her soon after. But if 103 stages is the maximum, then I guess DLC stages might be out of the question.

Again, that two second trolling is not a good example for these things.

 

[Misery Brick]

I've been informed that the Rathalos area isn't just some generic level or MH-themed area, it's an actual specific area from MH4 - Ancestral Steppe - and now I'm having a real hard time imagining it'll be exclusive to whatever Spirits Mode is, should that even function like an Adventure Mode.

It seems increasingly obvious to me that we'll be pushing past 103.

The only problem I have with that idea is that Rathalos functions almost exactly like a Subspace boss with those attacks. Like look at the fire bomb things, it covers practically the entire stage with small gaps for one character, and not to mention you only see a single character fighting it at a time.
I could be entirely wrong, but to me it does look like an arena that only references the series's location. Also despite the moon and Tingle being present in the MM stage, I doubt you'd be able to summon the Rathalos in a stage where you could fight him.