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Counterpoint though...EarthBound is straight up a discontinued series, while Wii Fit is just speculated to be. Honestly I don't think it matters too much. Not to mention the whole F-Zero thing.
Okay, then you may as well not even bother addressing me.
This is turning into a semantics argument. I'm not trying to act like I won or you're beneath me or something, but I respectfully want nothing to do with this discussion if we're gonna quibble over details like that.
You're not the only one, friend.
I'm not trying to attack you. It's just exhausting to see the same sort of argument appear once again after dealing with it for years post-Brawl.
Ike being the main character of Radiant Dawn is just an idea that's been bugging me for ages now. Bit of a sour note for me.
Why not both?
To be honest, I don't know much about how this things work, it was just something that suddenly occured to me. But you seem versed about this and if it works the way you say then that seems very logical and there is probably very little to worry about.
If I recall correctly, he said the same thing for Melee and Brawl, so him saying he's done really doesn't have much meaning.
This. But something also to remember is that even if he wouldn't be directing, it's unlikely he won't be involved at all, especially for a port of 4. It's still something he created, so it makes sense that Nintendo would want him on the project in general.
Gooey. Especially if he return in the next Kirby game.
I understand your arguments but it's like you're making them in a vacuum. I'm interested in knowing where any of this precedent is coming from. Since when has a dormant or dead franchise been removed for that reason? When has one retro character affected the fate of another retro character? When has a small series like Xenoblade had to kick out a unique character for the sake of adding a new one? It's a little disingenuous to look at cuts and say, "see they got cut, anyone can get cut", without looking at why they were cut. It's not for the reasons you're proposing. None of this stuff has ever happened before. I get the fact that unexpected cuts happen, I get that character priority is a thing, but that's not the same as suggesting cuts will occur or priority will be based on reasons that have, seemingly, never before played a factor.
Let me guess. You didn't get the character(s) you wanted?
are the first to come to mind) but at the same time I'd rather keep them with their old movesets than have them at the expense of making too many cuts to the roster, be it vets from Melee, Brawl, etc. There are probably some other things that could be changed for the worst that I'm missing, but you get the gist.
Sakurai hates competitive smash. This may be a speculation thread, but it still looks a bit silly to try to read my mind when all you had to do was ask me why.
Regular old waddle dee would be my first pick. Adeline If that’s cheating.
Not including easy mode, where I wouldn't even blink to say Adeleine, this question is tough!
I could go another million years before I have to see another RTC.
I don't have any polls to back up my claim, but I don't think it really matters anyway. In order for me to have a solid argument as to how popular Rosalina really was back then, I would need not one but several polls to back up my claim. There could be many variables effecting the votes in a single poll (like the recent release of KI in your poll), so consistency over a long period of time is really the only true indicator of popularity.
Sir, there's a Mr. Captain Falcon waiting for you on the other line. He said he wants to lodge a complaint.
All of the Pokemon characters are fine, but cutting Greninja is fair enough. Robin though... You consider full clone Lucina to be a higher priority than one of the two FE characters who doesn't rely entirely on a sword?
Shulk = Marth. We'll probably never see him again in anything besides remakes and spin-offs, but I think he's here to stay.
I guess I can see where you're coming from. Just remember that people said the same thing about ROB.
I pick Bandana Dee. If he says no then I say death.
Can I stress to my detractors what a "false dichotomy" is?
You're literally straw manning my position and I'M being disingenuous?!?!?
Fair enough. But even when we focus solely on WFT and her series alone, there's still plenty of other reasons to keep her. She's has a unique moveset, comes from a series that got over 40 million sales, and represents an important part of Nintendo's history - the success of the Wii. If being discontinued is so important, we might as well start digging a grave for all three KI characters. Just like the Wii Fit series, it's only had three games and doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Heck, it's last game was in 2012, one year before Wii Fit U was released. With that argument, Wii Fit > KI.
Mods and custom skins I see being a lot more likely given more recent Nintendo games.
I'm just saying that up until this point, there hasn't been a precedent for those kinds of cuts, so expecting them, to me, seems a bit extreme, is all.
How many Wii Fit fans care about smash? I bet not many. She shouldn't have been in Sm4sh to begin with.
Except Cosmic said she represent the success of the Wii. When you see it from that angle, her inclusion makes sense.
How many Game and Watch players played Melee?
I don't know how to respond to that.
You could bring up how Sakurai made Uprising, so clearly, KI will always get more attention that any series not called Fire Emblem or post-Air Ride Kirby
I disagree whole heartedly with that. Wii Fit Trainer is an interesting addition. We need more interesting characters like that.
I wouldn't call any of the clones a high priority per say, but I think their stance of staying in Smash 5 relies on completely different factors, most notably time. The only reason
were upgraded to clone status was that the devs had some left over development time, and used it to expand the roster (along with some individual reasons, such as Sakurai not wanting Dark Pit to use the Three Sacred Treasures as a Final Smash, and Dr. Mario getting his own slot in Melee). If they have some extra development time in Smash 5 yet they don't have enough time for Robin, those three clones are characters I can easily expect to make the return instead. staying in the roster is judged by completely different reasons and factors than staying in.
I can imagine it would never please the casual audience, which is the main audience of Smash games, thus the games wouldn't sell as well.
The idea that characters that little time to implement likeI wouldn't call any of the clones a high priority per say, but I think their stance of staying in Smash 5 relies on completely different factors, most notably time. The only reason
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would get removed over "more important" characters kind of contradicts the idea of removing characters because of TIME constraints.
Um, just going to bring this up, but bringing back a veteran with just a few balance alterations will probably take less time than decloning a clone. So if they don't have enough time for an already completed moveset from a previous game, how could they have enough time to make a clone character unique?I wouldn't call any of the clones a high priority per say, but I think their stance of staying in Smash 5 relies on completely different factors, most notably time. The only reason
The bottom line is that
