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WIHSO for SmashCan we just have Waluigi as a "Mario Tennis" character using his Aces outfit as the default costume instead?
.....please....? ;_;
I'm not sure how she was on Smashboards, but I joined gamefaqs not long after (that reveal was why I joined message boards) but the amount arguing about her over there was nuts. And even before her reveal, you can see there were still a decent amount of topics about her by searching her name.
I can only speak from what I witnessed. But I was pretty active back then. Rosalina has always had popularity ever since she first showed up, but, especially in the west, she was still outclassed by those four in the context of Smash. Perhaps in a more general context it'd be debatable, though I imagine she'd still be playing second or third fiddle. All of those characters in question are popular.
I suppose it's a moot point considering she did have popularity in excess of those other examples... but certainly not an amount comparable to what would be considered a highly popular Smash candidate.
WIHSO for Smash
It may have blown up around that time, but it was irrelevant.
Well yeah, Rosalina was likely decided on in Smash before even 3D World. But she was always a popular character in the Mario community. It's one of the reasons she was even in 3D World to begin with.
Isabelle is a subject I'm not touching with a 39 and a half foot pole.
In my experience, you're in the majority. I see a lot of people saying that animal crossing just need another character and Villager is all it needs.
Didn't all three N64 stages not have any character assigned to them, as well as Big Blue?
1. Inkling
This is thrown out of the window when Link can barely move when wearing Iron Boots but is just fine when he's got them in his bag of tricks in his own games. Yall acting like this is a huge deal when it isn't
http://time.com/3955733/satoru-iwata-nintendo-interview/Satoru Iwata in an interview with TIME magazine said:
If we want to be this accuurate, Little Mac should be removed because he isn't faithful to his series. The message behind Punch Out is than even when you are in a clear disadvatage (Little Mac is way smaller than the other characters, and he can't use any special move beside the Star Punch, while the other boxers have a whole set of them) he can overcame any opponement.
The lack of an option =/= the lack of ability to do said option.
In Glass Joe's case, I'm expecting to get a new Punch-Out!! game by the time Smash 5 comes out (or at least to have it in development when Smash 5 is released). I actually put him on because my roster maker doesn't have Don Flamenco.
Little Mac didn't have enough moves in his games, therefore they gave him standard boxing moves plus a few extra that he needs to be a Smash character. Although I feel like KO punch should be replaced with Star Punches.
I don't really see how Isabelle would work out. I'd probably look more towards Mr. Resetti, simply because of that pickaxe of his, and you don't want to mess with an angry mole wielding a pickaxe.
N3ON
said all that needed to be said.
Mario & Sonic Guy
can enlighten us. I didn’t see her appearing on many prediction and/or wish lists though; both here and elsewhere. It was always either Toad, Geno, or Bowser Jr.
Canonically, Captain Toad cannot jump because his backpack is too heavy, right?
Just a mole with a pickaxe is too limited for a unique moveset, I'd say - even if he's quite the remarkable character. I'd argue that the entirety of Animal Crossing has the same issue Sakurai accused Villager during Brawl's development: they're just not fighters. Villager ultimately worked due to the vast majority of tools (though even he had to borrow from a different series), but Isabelle, Mr. Resetti and the rest don't have access to those.
Isabelle is clumsy, Pheonix Wright in UMVC3 kinda shows the extent of that, plus she can theoretically have ordinances
Even one that literally explodes with rage, can scream at opponents with damaging textboxes, and can utilize self digging-based attacks?
I don't think Captain Toad is likely, but not for same reason as you. He has plenty of moveset potential that he could borrow from really any game that featured Toad as a playable character, so that's not an issue for me. He might be lacking in the popularity department, but EVERYONE knows who Toad is. What he lacks in popularity he makes up in iconicness. The biggest problem I have with CT is that he seems too generic compared to other Mario characters. Toads have always been labeled as those watching-from-the-sidelines NPCs, and I feel like that holds back any chances of a Toad character sometimes.
Rosalina is a very unique case. Although she was never a popular candidate for Smash, she easily beat out the other four characters you listed in terms of general popularity. So why did a character with so much popularity have so little support for Smash? Practically no one thought she had a chance. She was still very new to the world, and all of the other Mario series characters (including DK, Yoshi, and Wario spin-offs) had been around for at least 15 years. How would someone who debuted in a Wii game beat out the sassy princess who had consistently made spin-off appearances since her GameBoy debut? Why would Sakurai think of adding a six year-old character to represent the most popular franchise of all time when Waluigi and Bowser Jr. had already existed for more than ten years? Even with her adoring fans, no one involved in Smash speculation believed she was going to be a serious candidate.
I can only speak from what I witnessed. But I was pretty active back then. Rosalina has always had popularity ever since she first showed up, but, especially in the west, she was still outclassed by those four in the context of Smash. Perhaps in a more general context it'd be debatable, though I imagine she'd still be playing second or third fiddle. All of those characters in question are popular.
Inkling - Splatoon
From what I recall he was afraid the Villagers innocent nature would seem very paradoxical in a fast paced fighting game and that would make players feel uneasy. He wasn't exactly wrong about that either. Just look at all the killager memes.
I think that a lot of the future roster really depends on Sakurai's level of involvement. At this point I'm pretty confident that the next Smash release is a new game rather than a 4-port, and Sakurai has bled nobly for the franchise but... he might be just about done with it. I think a different showrunner might try to be more in line with Nintendo, who seems to really like Isabelle. Lots of people like her too. The fact that she was one of the first non-Mario characters to show up in Mario Kart is significant, to me.
You do have a point there. Did anyone actually feel uneasy about it though? I mean if he didn't want to have some sort of killager meme he could have just not added the axe to his moveset along with that vacant eye twinkle Villager does in his reveal trailer. I also feel he crossed that line years ago when he let you punch Ness, a child, in the face in the first game or stab him through the head with the Master Sword, so the excuse doesn't really work that well.
So arguing against changing key defining traits about a character and what makes them who they are and what they represent means "you don't like the character".
I might not feel as strongly about this as you, but I agree. It seems like most people are supporting Captain Toad just because he's one of the few recurring Toads who is treated as one specific character. Frankly, I'd be fine with the standard red spots and blue vest Toad. We didn't need a specific Yoshi in Smash. Why is Toad different?I'm going to be blunt. If people want Captain Toad to function like a normal Toad, why the **** are they supporting Captain Toad in the first place instead of a regular Toad? Literally JUST because "Captain Toad" got his own spinoff?
Captain Toad is defined by his slow movement speed and complete inability to jump.
"Oh, but that's just because of his backpack...." Well tough *******, that backpack is pretty much what represents Captain Toad and separates him from other Toads.
You want a Toad that has lower jump height (compared to Mario) and faster speed (again, compared to Mario) that represents how a Toad works in Super Mario Bros. 2 and Super Mario 3D World?
You want this guy.
Not Captain Toad.
