Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[**Gilgamesh**]

Considering that Sakurai emphasized that Ridley was extremely difficult to implement; I wouldn't be surprised if that character ate away a lot of development time. Smash Ultimate project plan was completed in December, 2015. Smash 5 was announced in the beginning of March and the only new (unique) fighter that has been unveiled since then is Ridley and Sakurai mentioned not to expect that many newcomers. There's around 5 months give or take before Smash Ultimate is released which makes me believe there are fewer newcomers (5 more??) this time around in the base game. Unless Sakurai decides to show off multiple characters a month (very possible) or to have hidden characters in the game (possible), I believe there will be 5-7 ish newcomers.

I just want DLC custom skins.

Edit: Also developing anything game-related takes a ton of effort to pull off when you want top-notch quality. It's tough work; especially when you want something to feel a certain way.

Edit2: It appears December 2015 was when his first proposal was completed. Point still stands that it's unusual to only have Ridley unveiled with only 5 months to go.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

We all assumed at first it would be the final proposal because of this SG tweet though:

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The new translation states it was the first proposal.

Now I'm confused

Is it's the first proposal for smash ultimate that ended in December or is it final proposal

 

[KMDP]

Considering that Sakurai emphasized that Ridley was extremely difficult to implement; I wouldn't be surprised if that character ate away a lot of development time.

I can see that, yes.

I just want DLC custom skins.

This would also be nice.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

Sakurai may or may not have left a open slot (or two) like he did for Greninja in the last game, but we won't know until a while after the game comes out.

That’s what I’m wondering. I just find it hard to believe all of the characters will come from the ballot. Also, I have a theory for a new Pokémon rep, but it’s kind of silly.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Also, now that Kamek seemingly is going to get his first Sport spin-off after Mario Party, can we get more support for the guy? Lack of spin-off love was the big thing his detractors said worked against him. Or are we expected to wait until Mario Kart 9 for that?

He checks off almost every relevant bookmark and would technically rep two series at once, which is a great feat and would certainly bump the guy up the "Mario" newcomer list

Sure, why not, he's the only other rep that makes sense for the Yoshi series. The poor guy needs to have a proper fight with Yoshi that doesn't consist of being knocked off his broom every once in a while.

Though I'm entirely certain that support for him won't really kick off until after all is said and done for Ultimate.

 

[Zinith]

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Sure, why not, he's the only other rep that makes sense for the Yoshi series. The poor guy needs to have a proper fight with Yoshi that doesn't consist of being knocked off his broom every once in a while.

Though I'm entirely certain that support for him won't really kick off until after all is said and done for Ultimate.

I am all for more Yoshi representation and I'll take what I can get even if I'm not too keen on Kamek

 

[Murlough]

To answer my own question: Xenoblade X released in August 29th, 2015 which lines up nicely for a Smash Ultimate spot if the roster was decided late 2015 as some are assuming.

I won't complain. I'm a bigger fan of her design than Rex and Pyra's designs by a long shot, though Mythra actually looks alright.

I just want DLC custom skins..

I'm betting on it tbh. We need an official Dry Bowser skin one way or another.

 

[Arcanir]

Nintendo Dream has an image of Tingle on Great Bay:

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Not sure if it means anything since it is an older stage, but I figured it was worth bringing up. Also, 'Baio-Kun' is apparently the name for the Badge Academy Bunny.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

If Sakurai thought Ridley was too difficult to implement again and would eat into too much of the production time needed for other newcomers?

Well, simply put?

We wouldn't have Ridley revealed right now because he wouldn't be in the game.

Sakurai has always been about quantity and quality put together. Anything that gets in the way of that is dropped to the side.

 

[KMDP]

That’s what I’m wondering. I just find it hard to believe all of the characters will come from the ballot.

There is a non-zero chance that a large (quote-unquote) number of newcomers are pulled from the ballot. Not to mention Sakurai likes pleasing fans.

Also, I have a theory for a new Pokémon rep, but it’s kind of silly.

Shoot, I won't judge. (Not sure about the others though.)

 

[Murlough]

That’s what I’m wondering. I just find it hard to believe all of the characters will come from the ballot. Also, I have a theory for a new Pokémon rep, but it’s kind of silly.

If it isn't Mimikyu I will judge with extreme prejudice.

Spoiler

Seriously though, go for it.

 

[Will]

Also, I have a theory for a new Pokémon rep, but it’s kind of silly.

The only other Gen 7 idea I've only heard once is Pyukumuku. from myself :^(
Really there's over 700 options to choose from, shoot.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Nintendo Dream has an image of Tingle on Great Bay:

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Not sure if it means anything since it is an older stage, but I figured it was worth bringing up. Also, 'Baio-Kun' is apparently the name for the Badge Academy Bunny.

I know the grave yard thread doesn't count background characters as a disconfirm because of Spirit Train but that's as good as disconfirmed for me (after all people were using the fact that he wasn't shown as possible evidence for his inclusion so I don't see why it wouldn't work the other way around...)

 

[Opossum]

That’s what I’m wondering. I just find it hard to believe all of the characters will come from the ballot. Also, I have a theory for a new Pokémon rep, but it’s kind of silly.

Tell us about your Ribombee theory.

 

[Troykv]

That’s what I’m wondering. I just find it hard to believe all of the characters will come from the ballot. Also, I have a theory for a new Pokémon rep, but it’s kind of silly.

The Pokémon Newcomer is almost a given, and don't consider the possibility of another Greninja it would be bad.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

There is a non-zero chance that a large (quote-unquote) number of newcomers are pulled from the ballot. Not to mention Sakurai likes pleasing fans.

Shoot, I won't judge. (Not sure about the others though.)

I wouldn’t be surprised by a large number of ballot choices getting in. Just not all. To be honest, I feel like a lot of people probably voted for vets (Pichu, Young Link, Wolf, Ice Climbers, Snake.) and they’re all back. Which I’m sure pleased fans. So along with them being popular ballot wise, and then choices like Daisy and Ridley were popular for ions, and probably heavily voted for, and now they are here.

I’m sure that’s where Sakurai got the idea in the first place to bring everyone back. “Wow, a lot of people voted for the veterans to return. Let’s just bring them all back!” Then Daisy was easy to implement being an Echo Fighter, and Ridley was a Ballot choice. I feel we may see 2-3 more Ballot choices, but Sakurai has to have some say in the matter. I’m sure he’s got his own wishes to fulfill for challengers. Inkling made since to add, but I wonder what other characters he will throw at us. I’ve never played Rhythm Heaven, but the idea of a rhythm based fighter sounds so intriguing and unique, and then you have to think about new characters that have come into the spotlight since the ballot. I don’t know. It’s driving me nuts.

Anyway, I think Sakurai probably left a space for a Pokémon newcomer, and if he chose Lycanroc, I see him choosing Midday form to have a quadruped Fighter, and throw us all from “Muh starter option”, and then once Dusk Form was shown, and is sort of the marriage between the two Lycanroc forms, he may have changed the model to reflect its new appearance. Look at midday and Dusk Form Lycanroc. There’s the orange coloring and a fluffier/Mohawk mane. Wouldn’t be that hard to change. A long with a special Z-Move

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

That’s what I’m wondering. I just find it hard to believe all of the characters will come from the ballot. Also, I have a theory for a new Pokémon rep, but it’s kind of silly.

I assume that it involves a certain clown seal?

 

[Will]

Tell us about your Ribombee theory.

Nah, I'm confident he chose Probopass.

 

[Shroob]

I wouldn’t be surprised by a large number of ballot choices getting in. Just not all. To be honest, I feel like a lot of people probably voted for vets (Pichu, Young Link, Wolf, Ice Climbers, Snake.) and they’re all back. Which I’m sure pleased fans. So along with them being popular ballot wise, and then choices like Daisy and Ridley were popular for ions, and probably heavily voted for, and now they are here.

I’m sure that’s where Sakurai got the idea in the first place to bring everyone back. “Wow, a lot of people voted for the veterans to return. Let’s just bring them all back!” Then Daisy was easy to implement being an Echo Fighter, and Ridley was a Ballot choice. I feel we may see 2-3 more Ballot choices, but Sakurai has to have some say in the matter. I’m sure he’s got his own wishes to fulfill for challengers. Inkling made since to add, but I wonder what other characters he will throw at us. I’ve never played Rhythm Heaven, but the idea of a rhythm based fighter sounds so intriguing and unique, and then you have to think about new characters that have come into the spotlight since the ballot. I don’t know. It’s driving me nuts.

Anyway, I think Sakurai probably left a space for a Pokémon newcomer, and if he chose Lycanroc, I see him choosing Midday form to have a quadruped Fighter, and throw us all from “Muh starter option”, and then once Dusk Form was shown, and is sort of the marriage between the two Lycanroc forms, he may have changed the model to reflect its new appearance. Look at midday and Dusk Form Lycanroc. There’s the orange coloring and a fluffier/Mohawk mane. Wouldn’t be that hard to change. A long with a special Z-Move

My question really is 'why would he pick Lyranroc' back in 2015?

Lycanroc was, effectively the Arcanine/Vulpix of the Gen(A 2 stage dog-like Pokemon), and until the anime pushed Lycanroc onto Ash in 2017, Lycanroc wasn't really anything noticeable. Rockruff was pushed harder to promote Sun and Moon than Lycanroc.

 

[Murlough]

Nah, I'm confident he chose Probopass.

We all know Whiscash has been in the shadow of Mewtwo for far too long. Smash Ultimate is his time.

 

[**Gilgamesh**]

If Sakurai thought Ridley was too difficult to implement again and would eat into too much of the production time needed for other newcomers?

Well, simply put?

We wouldn't have Ridley revealed right now because he wouldn't be in the game.

Sakurai has always been about quantity and quality put together. Anything that gets in the way of that is dropped to the side.

????

He literally stated that Ridley was extremely difficult to create during his time in the Nintendo Treehouse lmao. Too difficult implies that Sakurai gave up on developing Ridley which he didn't. He also emphasized the outcry the west had for Ridley which implies he was pushed to include Ridley to hush them up lol. Considering Ridley is JUST now getting in Smash; I can trust that Sakurai has dropped the idea / gave up of Ridley being playable many times in the past precisely because of the degree of effort and time it would take. Sakurai has already stated to not expect too many newcomers which means he is reducing the quantity aspect.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

Tell us about your Ribombee theory.

I assume that it involves a certain clown seal?

Nah, I'm confident he chose Probopass.

You’re all wrong!
It’s....
IT’S....
IT’S!!!!

 

[Questionmark222]

We all know Whiscash has been in the shadow of Mewtwo for far too long. Smash Ultimate is his time.

Nope, it's Dunsparce. And he'll be a top tier.

 

[Zinith]

You’re all wrong!
It’s....
IT’S....
IT’S!!!!
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Bidoof Master Race!!!

 

[Bowserlick]

Technique Character: Inklings (ex: Ice Climbers, Olimar, Rosalina & Luma)
Fan Demand: Ridley

Guesses on possible archetypes (feel free to add your own archetypes or characters)

Speed Character: Mach Rider
Super Heavyweight: King K. Rool
Combo Character: Elma
Zoner: Belmont

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Of course, it's always the one people expect the least.

Anywho, there must certainly be a lot of ballot choices that ranked at rock bottom in terms of number of votes, so if there is another ballot this time, this would give bottom rankers a second chance for a possible Smash 6.

 

[Zinith]

Of course, it's always the one people expect the least.

Anywho, there must certainly be a lot of ballot choices that ranked at rock bottom in terms of number of votes, so if there is another ballot this time, this would give bottom rankers a second chance for a possible Smash 6.

This is what I'm hoping for...

 

[Murlough]

Technique Character: Inklings (ex: Ice Climbers, Olimar, Rosalina & Luma)
Fan Demand: Ridley

Guesses on possible archetypes (feel free to add your own archetypes or characters)

Speed Character: Mach Rider
Super Heavyweight: King K. Rool
Combo Character: Elma
Zoner: Belmont

Eh, sure why not.

Speed Character/Zoner: Shadow the Hedgehog
Heavy: Soda Popinski (I unironicaly want this now)
Combo Character: Mimikyu
Zoner: Ashley

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Were there any Pokemon who were heavily supported during the ballot period?

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

Were there any Pokemon who were heavily supported during the ballot period?

Sceptile.

 

[Iridium]

That’s what I’m wondering. I just find it hard to believe all of the characters will come from the ballot. Also, I have a theory for a new Pokémon rep, but it’s kind of silly.

Is it Sigilyph? Sawk? Metapod? Silly, silly. . . Crabominable.

 

[Ultinarok]

You guys are all crazy.

It'll be Jigglypuff as Seen from Above. Or Jigglypuff ASFA for short.

 

[Shroob]

Were there any Pokemon who were heavily supported during the ballot period?

Sceptile and Zoroark are about all I can think of, but I both have kind of come and went in terms of popularity.

 

[Noipoi]

Personally I want Mimikyu
I wouldn't be mad if Decidueye or lycanroc got in, I just love Mimikyu so much more than them.

 

[Sharkarat]

People will never guess my most wanted Yoshi Character

Spoiler

It's Shy Guy Captain

From Yoshi's story and is in 2-3 mario party games. It's mostly that I Like Shy guys

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Kamek and Baby Mario remain my top picks for a new Yoshi rep........ but I'll take whatever I can get at this point. The fact that it's been getting more attention lately, what with Yoshi's Woolly World and the new game next year (hopefully,,,) gives me hope that we'll finally have more than Yoshi's character trophies this time around.

 

[KMDP]

Hmm... I wonder if Sakurai will resurrect the Ditto idea from Melee beta. The Switch definitely has the power now.

People will never guess my most wanted Yoshi Character

Spoiler

It's Shy Guy Captain

From Yoshi's story and is in 2-3 mario party games. It's mostly that I Like Shy guys

Pirates!? What about Captain Syrup?

Also... speaking Pirates. If King K. Rool gets in I want a remix of "Gankplank Galleon Ahoy" (the version from Donkey Kong Land, it's the more 'complete' version since it doesn't transition into King K. Rool's boss theme). You could even mix it with Snakey Chantey as a medley.

Also, Donkey Kong Land's variant of "Voices of the Temple". It's a pretty good song.

 

[monadoboy]

Ok so I could probably just go on google for this but I get the feeling it would be more interesting if I ask here.

Whats Elma's thing? Like why is she so popular? I never played Xenoblade so I don't know anything about her. Since people are outright saying they think the roster was decided in late 2015, is that a good thing for Elma?

Why should she get in as opposed to someone else?

I'm just curious and would rather hear it from fans of the character than some poorly made wiki page.

There's a lot of spoilery stuff with her, so simpy put, she's badass. While she's in a similar situation as Chrom, unlike him she does have a ton of unique stuff to pull from. Dual swords + dual guns and cool animations that lend themselves well for Smash Bros. Cross could get in, but the game, marketing, etc. pushes Elma much harder than Cross, and Cross's accessibility to every weapon leaves them without a personal set of weapons.
A quick example I remembered, been a while since I've played: She interrupts a "bad guy monologue" by shooting their face, even if they are in a giant robot

 

[Maxoxpower]

Considering that Sakurai emphasized that Ridley was extremely difficult to implement; I wouldn't be surprised if that character ate away a lot of development time. Smash Ultimate project plan was completed in December, 2015. Smash 5 was announced in the beginning of March and the only new (unique) fighter that has been unveiled since then is Ridley and Sakurai mentioned not to expect that many newcomers. There's around 5 months give or take before Smash Ultimate is released which makes me believe there are fewer newcomers (5 more??) this time around in the base game. Unless Sakurai decides to show off multiple characters a month (very possible) or to have hidden characters in the game (possible), I believe there will be 5-7 ish newcomers.

I just want DLC custom skins.

Edit: Also developing anything game-related takes a ton of effort to pull off when you want top-notch quality. It's tough work; especially when you want something to feel a certain way.

Edit2: It appears December 2015 was when his first proposal was completed. Point still stands that it's unusual to only have Ridley unveiled with only 5 months to go.

don't forget Inklings please

 

[Zinith]

You Pokemon and DK fans are so spoiled. We Yoshi fans are in a bad spot where the franchise is too big to where having one rep isn't in itself a novelty (Wii Fit Trainer, Duck Hunt, etc.) but not big enough to pull any characters from. It's maddening!!!