It doesn’t matter if the “dragon” is never used in game…even though there is by far more than one example of what Lucas’ power would be like with the power on (Ness by end game)
The thread is called: If characters were true to their games…
Lucas gets the power of the earth…which is shown to **** with everything including the rules…(check #7895) where I give more info on the connection between Lucas and his powers)
And again…the only reason why people lived at the end of the game is because of what Lucas is like…oh and as for the bad guy part…you are aware that there is no 100% evil being in Mother’s canon right? Mother isn’t like the other stock games in this area…where things are either good or evil…Itoi pretty much made sure his stuff wasn’t simple like that…
I ask you, is it downright said Lucas destroyed (automatically out of character for Lucas) and recreated the isles/world?
I've seen a Let's Play of Mother 3 (I adored storyline), but I've seen absolutely no indication Lucas was the who, indeed, destroyed and recreated everything.
The Dragon did that, being a physical being or spirit or w/e.
So I ask, why would the characters along with him: Duster, Kumatora, Boney and Flint not comment at all about the amazing and cosmic feat Lucas just accomplished?
It makes absolutely no sense as to why this is so.
Lucas and party have been shown to display gratitude and thanks for what they've accomplished for one another and others throughout the game and I'm expected to believe they would have nothing to say to Lucas after such an amazing feat?
I find that extremely difficult to believe.
Pork n’ Beans has been shown to fly…said army has shown that they can fly…and Mr. Saturn pork n’ beans isn’t the bird cage thing…if you go back to Saturn Valley after beating it…The Mr. Saturn say that they have made an upgrade to the Pork ‘n Beans
Given
Pork n' Beans does fly. It happened while the Pig Mask Army was being introduced to the plot.
But it could be said Lucas and pals don't know how to actually fly it as they never managed to do that. Just a possible rebuttle.
Also, exactly what was different with the Mr. Saturn Pn'B?
If Lucas managed to fly one, it will very well be shot down from all of the heavy artillery the Halberd posseses.
The Pn'B has been shown to be destroyed from ramming into a wall. Doesn't sound very durable.
Lucas can't possibly dodge these weapons. He's shown no 'pro aircraft' skills to avoid heavy artillery and thusly would be shot down and back to square one.
Unable to harm the Halberd.
Oh and I like how you didn’t comment about the other things I said Lucas could do to blast that stupid ship out of the sky…
The Halberd can only be destroyed via the core reactor.
Any attacks to the hull wouldn't even scrape it.
Also, what attacks does Lucas have that can possibly reach the airship that's thousands of feet in the air?
I mean out of his actual moveset, not assumed abilities.
Regardless, if he wants to bring down the Halberd then he must board it.
But that's not happening from what I've previously stated.
According to the game script for Mother 3…which I have posted like 8 times at least…the island is only there because of the power protecting it is there…
The island in just the 2nd part of the game…where you start playing as Duster…shows that it can screw with life…because things like ghosts live there...only because of the power…
And Giygas has brought fear to more than just one town by making Zombies (Threed for example)…with the promise that he could restore their life…
iirc the Pig Mask Army kicked the ghosts out.
The ghosts were gone even before the Needle is pulled.
If you were suggesting the Needle gave ghosts the ability to inhabit and live in Osoe Castle (think that's how you spell it >_<) then how is Beethoven (?) Ghost still there after the Needle is pulled from there?
What's Giygas gotta do with this?
Again…that is BS though at least when it comes to Mother…because both games have quoted that the powers of the main characters are universal threats…
According to respective game canon, Invincibility/blessed equals impervious to any and all attacks. Universal would fall under "any and all".
In regards to Ike, unless his entire body is blessed, then he has blatant openings (head, legs, arms).
Um…yeah…you didn’t get that example each time I’ve showed it?
1. What type of god power do they have protecting them? Someone who has a blessing is a bit worse off than another character who is a god IMO
2. What is the god power anyway? Someone that can destroy everything/universe and make order is a bit better than only someone who can destroy…
1. If the "godly" power protecting them guarantees imperviousness to any and all attacks, then it's expected to do such. Even against other "god-like" characters.
Also, unless Ike's entire body is blessed then he's screwed.
2. The definition of "god-like beings/sentinents" varies amongst different games.
It's more subjective to game canons.
Also…in regards to the Peach vs. Ness match…
Peach’s umbrella has only been shown to absorb blows from a physical situation…it shows no proof that she will take a telepathic attack/TK attack
Does Ness mindrape enemies in Earthbound?
If not, then no.
Safty Ring’s protection from the elements is a nice thing…too bad Ness is packing more than just that…
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Also…you people quoting that stop watch will work really need to check again…the foe that uses time stop on Ness is a foe that isn’t even at the games ½ mark…Ness gets a lot more powerful as the game goes on…but even before the ½ mark…he is fighting foes that stop time…what does that say about Ness’ foes?
From what I've heard, Ness has been frozen in time by enemies.
What does that tell ya?
He'll still be frozen in time by StopWatch.
Getting more powerful =/= assumed imperviousness to time stops.
I’m thinking it’s sort of unfair that you think it would be ok to throw a level 100 Peach vs. a level 30 at the best Ness…but to be fair…you guys do like to limit Ness and Lucas it seems on purpose…so I’m not really caring anymore…
Doesn't Ness reach lvl 100?
Regardless, like any character here, they're limited to their respective move pools/sets.
Lucas and Ness will still place rather high in the end.
Invincibility dudes are their apparant bain.
Nothing…her status affects of mute/sleep won’t work because of Ness’ equipment protecting him from sleep, and he is mute to begin with so I don’t see how that is going to affect his concentration, she can only strike physically because of what her SMRPG stuff is…
What equipment prevents mute/sleep?
Yeah…btw about the parasol…Ness can tame mountain size foes with a baseball bat…and Peach’s parasol does have knock back if hit and has shown not to be 100% affective vs. all types of damage (she gets knocked off a cliff in SPM she is taking damage even if the parasol was protecting her)
Killing giant foes =/= beating impervious parasol
The parasol's only downside is Peach recieving knockback (but no damage) from attacks.
Being knocked off of cliff was the players fault for using it next to a cliff 
Just saying…I think Ness’ physical hits can hurt when he hits hard enough to the point where a sword/laser gun is weaker…
How so?
You are trying to pass up a game mech as fact...yet when I show proof that Ness' foes have free control over time/space and yet still Ness is stronger than them (and I even give a few quotes from Mother 3 showing that time control is a psychic power) you think I'm going being farfetched?
Does Ness learn PK Mindrape?
Does Lucas learn PK Nuke em' forever?
No.
Saying parasol invulnerability is like saying Imperialist headshot OHKO is also game mech.
It just works that way in-game.
You continually attempt to give the Mother Boys abilities they either don't have or greatly exagerate what they do have.
Ness/Lucas can talk to animals so automatically screw minds via Telekinesis?
It's not evidenced in-game so does not happen (PK Mindrape, that is).
The "problem" people see is how you try to pass assumptions/over-exagerassions as fact.
That foe you are talking about would have ate Mario, Peach, and Bowser for lunch had it not been harmed by "final boss" syndrome...and became a lot weaker just so that he could be harmed…
Giygas would have screwed Ness over.
Paula saved the day through prayers :O
Ganon would also screw Link over.
Bowser in Paper Mario should have given the player the "Game Over" screen after beating Mario at lvl 1 within tge first 10 minutes you start the game.
