It’s not going either way…Porky wanted the power remember? If he was already god like…why would he want it?
Cause he's power hungry I guess. I'm pretty sure he was boasting, but whatever, both sides work.
You missed my point…chapter 7 lets you pull 4 of the 6 needles in any order you want…but they recommend you with a certain order for doing them in…either way…it doesn’t matter…my point was already proven with Claus and Lucas showing that they get more powerful even when one of the needles isn’t pulled by them because of the whole “dragon waking up slowly” thing…
It's only PK Love that grows stronger, and it goes up till Omega. What else besides in game abilities do you want Lucas to use anyway? If he's gonna fight, he's gonna fight how he fights... Like every other character here.
Ness and Lucas are the same though…at least in spirit…
1. Same battle role…as in healer
2. Same general stats for the battle role…
3. Itoi saying in an interview that Ness could be the same as Ninten
4. The Smash website’s background info on Lucas stats that he is in the same PK family as Ness
5. Again…the dragon’s power according to Leder is the power of the land…which was the same thing Ness’ title was…
Yes, the characters are similar. I still agree with that.
If you don’t think Ness and Lucas are the same…than you really need to look again…because all of the main playable characters in this game are sort of the same…except for the odd ball 4th one…but even they have some things in common…
Similar, not the same.
People keep on saying that the Dragon’s power isn’t with Lucas so I have to keep on pointing it out that it is…part of their argument is that the thing is “living” which is sort of a lie…the only thing living about it is how the user works with it…because what happens with the power…it’s the same thing as the triforce somewhat…only its meant for someone instead of just being there like the triforce is…
I'm pretty sure the Triforce (at least, the parts) are meant for Link, Zelda and Ganondorf to. Ganondorf is a bit iffy, cause he got the power by force... But the Triforce of Wisdom for example was always guarded by the Royal Family, thus rightfully being Zelda's.
Okay and even IF Lucas could use the power of the Dragon, what'd he do? Create a new world? Every one survived that in Mother 3 so... <_< The battlefield would just go black, and some character's even have answers to that. If we're using the power like the way it's used in game... It's still pretty bad.
The star rod in the 1st place is powered by wishes…and isn’t something that should be in the hands of mortals
The Triforce is using the gods power to give whoever touches it their wish…again it is guarded at least…but it doesn’t have any real rules just like the Star Rod…
The power of the earth…is limited because it’s full power only surfaces when needed according to the canon…and it can only be used by a select few that for whatever reason have a tie to it…
Power of anything or not, characters here are still mortal unless being stated different. Like Ganondorf for example only being hurt by holy weapons.
The power of the earth sure seems a lot more fare than the other powers if you ask my opinion…but that’s just me…
Yeah that'd be just you, cause game mechanics say different. Ness and Lucas are still mortal, and therefore they'll lose to characters who are better than them, for example Samus.
PK Ground can do more damage in very limited things because of game mechs. and PK freeze Omega…yeah no in EB PK Rockin had a higher cap as far as damage output goes…look it up please
But what else besides game mechanics, stats and actual battle prowess can you use to determine what a character would do in an actual fight???
Leder mentions that the power in this island is the power of the land…it doesn’t matter if he brings up Ness or not…the last time it was needed was 10,000 years or so ago remember? The only one who knows about Ness is Porky…who is doing all this anyway because of him wanting to be better than him…
Porky = best thing in Mother 3 by far.
Please explain to me why the earth has two the powers of the land then if you are going to pull this…please also explain why it was never brought up in the other games…
It might very well be a different earth now. I don't know man, look they are different games. If they were truely connected, then why wasn't the Dragon mentioned before for example?
Ok 1st off…Lucas fights foes made out of pure electricity/light/other foes that have jet engines attached to them…so if he looks slow…it may be just because of his foes…
2nd off…Bowser is hella slow as well…ever play Super Mario RPG? He’s the slowest thing in that game (see I can play with game mechs as well) he’s always moving last…Lucas at least happens to be able to trade places with Duster for a good % of the game as far as turn order goes…
Still... a dog and a criple out run Lucas... >_>
Bowser has to wish though…that’s the point
And again…Lucas’ power isn’t like you think it is…it’s tapped right into him…
1) I don't fully agree with Bowser getting the Star Rod either.
2) Lucas having the power or not, it doesn't mather cause we don't know what it does and what it's uses are in battle.
Being able to destroy everything then remake and protecting a large amount of land from the end of the world wasn’t enough of a demonstration for you of Lucas’ power?
No. Did it really destroy everything and created new ****? All I saw was my screen turning black... <_<
Again…power of the earth…not dragon…there isn’t even any proof of the dragon…god…the people living on that island where living in a fantasy…and the dragon was a part of that fantasy…
That gives us even LESS of an idea what this power of Lucas would be. O_O Dude, Lucas just got screwed by his own game for not showing effidence, therefore he can't have that power. Just leave it at that.
Hell for every time a dragon comes up in the games it’s just made up as well…plus again…have you ever read “the book of lies?”
No, again I haven't. But the book and game aren't the same thing, so no mather what's written there it doesn't have anything to do with Lucas' fighting here.
Funny…last I checked the power was woken up at the end of Mother 3…and the thing didn’t go back to sleep…
*credits roll in*
LOL wut? The power is tapped into him…the needles were the seal on that power…when they are moved…he got the power in there along with Claus…PK Love is a representation of his power…PK Love was getting stronger because the dragon was waking up…The needles being removed was the reason why the dragon was waking up…How is math hard?
What happens to the Needles, the Dragon, and just about everything once that Needle is pulled? We don't know, and it'd only add confusion to the match ups. Lucas can't have it, and that's more because the game doesn't allow you to get a clear view of that power. If we saw him actually use it, it'd be different... maybe. It's still all pretty iffy.
I posted that ****ing link to the game script over 5 times at least in this topic and told you to find the talk with Leder in it…because he confirms that the dragon waking up was the reason on why Love was getting stronger…
Leder: Lewk Lucas, ur powar is gettin' stronga. U c ur PK Luv nao does awesum damage, lolol ur just liek Ness... ya no, that kid frum EarthBound?? U saw him in dat cinema rite?? yea lololol dat him.
Unless Leder said something like that, there just isn't enough effidence. Your assuming way to much. Don't.
Lucas is playing a role though…that is the only thing that is preventing him from using PK Fire…because the definition of PK itself should be proof that he can use it…and his talent and unlocking of his powers is another reason…
If he doesn't get it in game he just doesn't get it. Is it that hard? The only reason why your probably brining this up is cause Ness and Lucas use different PSI in Smash than in their games anyway. =/ He doesn't learn those attacks, so he doesn't get them.
The main characters in it are named Lucas and Claus…google it and then check the wiki…it’s the one about the twins…
I tried, didn't find anything. You have a link or something?
Game mechs =/= canon
Canon has a definition…look it up
I'm not gonna answer this cause your now going against this whole thread.
Let us see…Lucas doesn’t get Omega+, maybe because the game has to end at some point…funny huh?
So Lucas basically got screwed by his own game like I said before. You think that's funny?
PP=psychic power…you can actually explain how it works as well…
How about looking up the definition of “Work” if you need to get what I’m saying…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_(physics)
PP = how many times you can use PSI. Nothing more, nothing less. Now stop your whinery and assumptions please.
Ah no…check the game script…Ness’ Nightmare is his evil side…either his good side or his evil side had to go before he could use his power…because the power was dependant on what type of person he was…
I guess so, don't really care anymore. God your persistent. <_<
Look for some background info why don’t you? Just like any of these other games…background info helps explain things…
Wario is the opposite of Mario…if Mario is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_xQ-ns5whw
(Not saying that he is…but it is funny IMO so I’m posting it)
What do you think Wario is?
Game developers are hardcore junkies. I'm gonna leave it at that.
Oh god...
>_>
What part of me telling you that he can remake things how he wants do you not understand?
The part of where you getting all that from. Your right on SOME cases, but your over assuming.
**** it...do me a favor...look up that point of the game...he was sure he was going to get the power...
I'm answering your post for about half an hour now, what exactly must I look up? I forgot lulz.
Which is powered from what again?
Dunno, same as above really.
Lucas' Love getting stronger as the dragon was waking up...explain why it was getting stronger...
Cause he'd need that power for the next part of the game. =P Dunni, your right here but again your over assuming. Your got the basic idea right, but then you mess it all up with assumptions.
Look, Lucas has limits, and it's just unfortunate for him that he doesn't get his "potential" full power shown. If he even gets stronger, that's the question. We're guessing it's not, cause it's way too vague at the end.
Lucas still is a solid character overall, and will deffinatly be on the higher side of the end tier list. That alone should be enough for you.
If Isaac from Golden Sun was here fighting (as he's an Assist Trophy), he'd suffer the same as Lucas. Cause at the end, he gets the power of the Golden Sun which is basically the power of all elements. I recommend this game to you, cause Golden Sun comparing to Mother, actually has loads of effidence shown in game. Now that I'm speaking of Golden Sun, it's been a long time since I played that game... I might pick it up myself some day.
Now up to your next post... <_<
Bowser had it is the key word...but this thread is "if Brawl characters where true to their game"
Bowser gets his power IN game, Lucas gets in at END game. Big difference there.
Just from that info Lucas should have more rights to use his power than what Bowser does...or what Samus does as well if you check the background on her powers...
Samus should maybe get her Hyper Beam. Why shouldn't she actually? She actually used it.
Lucas' case it isn't like this...we have hints at what his stuff is like...
I think you've said enough... <_<
In this case it does...The Star Rod isn't even Bowser's own power...last I checked that makes it lesser than someone who has "his own power"
Last time I checked, it was the Dragon not Lucas who had the power. <_<;
Oh and last I checked...Lucas' ZOMGPOWER is also ZOMGDEFENSE because of the whole keeping a place safe from the whole end of the world thing...
Basically what your saying is... Events in Mother 3 >>> Events in other games. Nobody was even HURT when the world was recreated for all we know. The people who you speak to, say their completely fine. If normal people would survive it, every character here would... Including R.O.B., Mr.Game & Watch and Olimar. >_>
Lucas can't ZOMGAPOCALYPS like
you say he can. If we'd take people's opinions here, Mewtwo would already be blowing peoples head of. Why? Cause some fan says Mewtwo can and he apperantly has bull **** effidence for that.
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