Uptilt is a good, quick, gtfo me move if the Wario is right next to you.
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you'll have to take my word for it, wario would juggle you like a little ***** all day if Luc didn't have that dair. Floaty, midsized character. You'd be ***** if you didn't have a fast and lengthy move to counter the uair. You don't even have to be amazing at spacing here. Dair is still 2x faster than the uair. It's very good at dealing with uair pressure.I find Dair very risky in this matchup personally. Your Dair beats his Uair but it has to be spaced extremely well. Ive died too many times because i got Uair'd while i was trying to Dair. If you miss Dair you can also get farted on. Nair is actually very good in this matchup. So is aura sphere. Not sure why Utilt would be good but whatever.
So Utilt is good against every character in the game?
This. All of Wario's aerials have a substantial amount of lag on them as well and very little range, which makes utilt a very good anti-air move against the likes of nair and dair.Wario is going to be right next to you a lot more often than almost every character in the game.
fix'd.I still disagree about Lucario's disadvantage. Since when is mindgames and baiting vs. range andspeedan ideal matchup for the prior, eh? That's like jiggs vs. marth. wtc.
you'll have to take my word for it, wario would juggle you like a little ***** all day if Luc didn't have that dair. Floaty, midsized character. You'd be ***** if you didn't have a fast and lengthy move to counter the uair. You don't even have to be amazing at spacing here. Dair is still 2x faster than the uair. It's very good at dealing with uair pressure.
I don't like being in any sort of lag against Wario, especially in the air. I don't really like nair here but different strokes I guess.
As far as utilt:
This. All of Wario's aerials have a substantial amount of lag on them as well and very little range, which makes utilt a very good anti-air move against the likes of nair and dair.
And for the record, utilt is amazing against any character that can't outspace it or are prone to juggling. Considering most can deal with it, it doesn't deserve much of a mention in most cases.
Marth vs Jiggs is such a bad analogy lol.I still disagree about Lucario's disadvantage. Since when is mindgames and baiting vs. range and speed an ideal matchup for the prior, eh? That's like jiggs vs. marth. wtc.
wario's aerials all have a long duration to them. It's not that they're startup laggy but he is stuck for a while in them.I'd like to point out that our weakness vs Lucario isn't that our aerials are laggy (b/c they really aren't) so much that our fastest move on the ground is five frames (lol dtilt, which is punishable), and our jump is seven.
Oh well. I tried.Marth vs Jiggs is such a bad analogy lol.
I'm sorry. That was a typo on my part. Lucario will be knocked too far back to do anything.Wait, r u talking about wario bair? Because I was talking about lucario bair, the whole "bair will definitely knocked" got me confused.
Can you add a little more to this? It lacks substance, and really doesn't help.Well if it comes down to stages I say that the match up is even.
I don't think BF helps Wario out anymore than other stages. It's true that he has better plat pressure than Luc, but extra plats make it easier for Luc to play a defensive game.Can you add a little more to this? It lacks substance, and really doesn't help.
Exactly how is it even if it comes down to stages? It's even on FD, on a stage like BF, Wario has the obvious advantage because of platform control and his sneaky aerials.
That's what I was thinking, the stage just doesn't look like warioware material. Plus with the teching off the walls, lucario can live really long here.Luigi's Mansion is like Wario's worst stage, lol. Everyone can abuse it more than he can, and the tiny platforms in the way all the time are lame. The pillars also force him to commit even longer to his moves. It's good for his running away, that's all.
Oops, either I really think that lucario can air release, or I was thinking I was in the marth boards (prolly a mix between the two, likely more of the latter).Lucario can't air release...what is this...
yes hello sam.
Utilt and dair are both very good moves in this matchup as well, but I agree that fair takes priority in this match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcojcb7ZMxc lol...It's not that we don't like the stage much... it just seems to hate Warios
Alright. Coming from someone that uses both, and has played as Wario against Lucario, and vice versa, it's definently in Wario's favor. But like I said, not by much. Every time, I only lost by a stock. And you know what? It was because I was always knocked out first. I can't stress this enough, getting the first kill is crucial. Use Wario's mediocre stages to your advantage, and use your superior ground game wisely. Utilt and fsmash, of course.I think I might want to back out of this discussion. My knowledge of Wario doesn't seem to be adequate. See you next character, guys.