Simple Questions & Answers Thread (READ FAQ in OP)

[Ripple]

At low % always cargo hold and throw. Cargo has some weird knockback armor

 

[DtJ S2n]

I've always been afraid of getting grabbed out of cargo. That'd just be the worst ever.

 

[Luigi player]

yeah only cargo if the other climber isnt there (= they're already seperated) nana never breaks out of cargo which is pretty cool (unless the other climber is near, then she'll break out)

 

[1PokeMastr]

At low % always cargo hold and throw. Cargo has some weird knockback armor

It has a 10% Super Armour.

Meaning, moves that do 10% or less won't hit us out.

 

[Ripple]

It has a 10% Super Armour.

Meaning, moves that do 10% or less won't hit us out.

It does not have 10% armor. I know this for a fact.

It has "if a move won't knock DK on his *** at this % then he'll take the hit" which means it changes at different %

 

[tekkie]

if i'm correct the two ways to extend upB's invincibility is to either use ledgeslip mechanics and upB so that you keep your run/dash momentum and slide off the edge after the upB initiates on a platform, or to upB and then hit a slope like on YI?

 

[DtJ S2n]

if i'm correct the two ways to extend upB's invincibility is to either use ledgeslip mechanics and upB so that you keep your run/dash momentum and slide off the edge after the upB initiates on a platform, or to upB and then hit a slope like on YI?

Kind of. When DK's up-b goes ground to air or vice versa, it keeps all the properties, except the hitbox and damage, of the move when it transitions between the two. So his grounded up-b has super armor which can carry over into air, and the air one has invincibility.

The two ways to get invincibility is to up-b into the slope during it, or to slide off the edge and do an aerial up-b, then return to the ground during the invincibility. Or at least I'm assuming that's how the second way functions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3CmvJM-Rq8

 

[tekkie]

so when DK users upB off a platform for the invincibility are they starting it on the platform and sliding off with the edgeslip or something? or just kinda sliding off regularly?

 

[Ragnar0k]

You might be thinking of the super armor extended version off of platforms. Leaving the ground during the super armor frames of the grounded version extend the super armor throughout the move.

 

[Ruinn]

How do we punish snake ftilt oos? I've tried ftilt but it doesn't seem to range enough.

 

[crifer]

How do we punish snake ftilt oos? I've tried ftilt but it doesn't seem to range enough.

I think it´s not punishbar afaik. You can clank with his ftilt by using dtilt, though.
Also if you get pushed back far enough you can try downB, which is the move with most ground range in the game.

 

[Neon!]

How do we punish snake ftilt oos? I've tried ftilt but it doesn't seem to range enough.

Facing away from snake and immediately punishing with bair is the best way and safest way to punish.

I didnt even power shield here and I was easily able to punish ftilt.
http://youtu.be/i4Yvf5Dfxvw?t=2m54s

If you're facing forward and he spaces it well, you're best option is to roll away. If he uses ftilt 1 & 2 it is possible to punish with dk's ftilt.

 

[Ruinn]

Can dk do the 1 banana infinite on diddy kong?

 

[Neon!]

I've never tried it

 

[Paroxium]

So let's say that your opponent (snake) likes to air dodge before he lands.

He has just recovered high from his jump+ up B shenanigans, and is falling back to stage.

There's many things DK can do here, but I was wondering whats the best option. Up airing him, reading/punishing him mid-descent? Bairing him off stage, using that same tatic? Or using the ground slap, popping him back up. If there's a better option or this post is too situational, let me know.

 

[DtJ S2n]

So let's say that your opponent (snake) likes to air dodge before he lands.

He has just recovered high from his jump+ up B shenanigans, and is falling back to stage.

There's many things DK can do here, but I was wondering whats the best option. Up airing him, reading/punishing him mid-descent? Bairing him off stage, using that same tatic? Or using the ground slap, popping him back up. If there's a better option or this post is too situational, let me know.

If it's Snake you can grab him before he lands, Cargo (no throw) him offstage and then just let him fall to his death lmao.

But realistically your best option in this scenario is to set up the grab and throw. DK's throws (I suggest Cargo throw!) are extremely good and can reset this nasty position over and over again. You can do things like jump up and u-air at him, and then fast fall back down to get back in time for the grab if he airdodges the U-air sometimes. Or you can simply sit on the ground and follow him, shielding for the potential b-air and grabbing when you see him land. Very easy and very effective method.

Other than that, you can bait airdodges by charging a smash attack for where he'll land, and then releasing it to punish his airdodge, or you can bait airdodges higher up by getting into your b-air/u-air range, fall alongside them, and then hit them out of the end of their airdodge. These are better at high percents, u-air is a fairly easy kill this way

There's other tricks you can use but you'll have to find how to use them yourself. These are the most basic options.

Spoiler

we can't give away the secret of our F-air into giant punch frame trap, am I right guys?

 

[Paroxium]

If it's Snake you can grab him before he lands, Cargo (no throw) him offstage and then just let him fall to his death lmao.

But realistically your best option in this scenario is to set up the grab and throw. DK's throws (I suggest Cargo throw!) are extremely good and can reset this nasty position over and over again. You can do things like jump up and u-air at him, and then fast fall back down to get back in time for the grab if he airdodges the U-air sometimes. Or you can simply sit on the ground and follow him, shielding for the potential b-air and grabbing when you see him land. Very easy and very effective method.

Other than that, you can bait airdodges by charging a smash attack for where he'll land, and then releasing it to punish his airdodge, or you can bait airdodges higher up by getting into your b-air/u-air range, fall alongside them, and then hit them out of the end of their airdodge. These are better at high percents, u-air is a fairly easy kill this way

There's other tricks you can use but you'll have to find how to use them yourself. These are the most basic options.

Spoiler

we can't give away the secret of our F-air into giant punch frame trap, am I right guys?

Thanks for the the reply, if only dk had some special secret to snake , like fair to giant punch:/

Speaking of cargo, is the cargo lock on earthbound kids an actual infinite? Usually they can't escape but sometimes they di just out of my reach. Am I too slow or is it just escapable? I saw a thread the other on the dk archives, but it was just ripple arguing it was an infinite and another guy telling him hes wrong.

 

[NatP]

I'm sorry for the basic answer I'm about to ask but I looked everywhere and I still couldn't find anything regarding it. How exactly does DK's super armor on his Donkey Punch work?

I mean, most the time I use it it eats through attacks like it's nothing but sometimes I just get hit. What's the deal? Thanks.

 

[DtJ S2n]

Thanks for the the reply, if only dk had some special secret to snake , like fair to giant punch:/

Speaking of cargo, is the cargo lock on earthbound kids an actual infinite? Usually they can't escape but sometimes they di just out of my reach. Am I too slow or is it just escapable? I saw a thread the other on the dk archives, but it was just ripple arguing it was an infinite and another guy telling him hes wrong.

I'm not entirely sure if it's escapable or not. If it's escapable it's not easy, especially if we spin while we hold them.

I'm sorry for the basic answer I'm about to ask but I looked everywhere and I still couldn't find anything regarding it. How exactly does DK's super armor on his Donkey Punch work?

I mean, most the time I use it it eats through attacks like it's nothing but sometimes I just get hit. What's the deal? Thanks.

It's fine. First off, only a fully charged Giant Punch has super armor. The super armor doesn't last through out the entire move. It's true super armor, meaning it can armor literally any attack in the game during those frames, but it can be grabbed.

Frame Data
Hits on 18 (shoulder), hits on 19-22 (punch), ...Super Armor is on frames 17-20.

What this translates to is that you will only be able to Super Armor things when DK is in the motion of actually hitting someone with the punch.

 

[Paroxium]

Ledge jump (Pressing Y on the ledge, not letting go of the edge to double jump) > Side B

Good idea or bad?

Note: The enemy is probably shielding/waiting at the ledge, with little to no elbow room.

 

[DtJ S2n]

It's a good idea like once every month. Side-b, despite the surprise factor of just STOPPING there, takes forever to go off. You'll get hit/grabbed out of it more often than not. Or it'll just get shielded. It's a mix-up, a really really risky and slow one at that. Like all mix-ups you've gotta keep it unexpected.

 

[Ripple]

DK infinites earthbound kids. legit infinite.

you have a 2-4 frame window to do it or something.

 

[DKwill]

The easiest way to infinite Ness/Lucas without them being able to DI out:

1) Cargo hold.
2) Turn around.
3) WAIT.
4) React to whichever side they choose to pop out, and re-grab.

This is an inescapable infinite given you turn around in place, since this sets them up to release behind DK by default. They can, however DI to pop out in front of you-- but they will be forced to release close to DK.

 

[Neon!]

Ledge jump- side-b is great option that should be used rarely. It's worked countless times for me especially against mk. If mk simply sits in his shield near the ledge he can easily cover most of our ledge options, many mk players have this habit and it is easy to punish with ledge jump-side-b. Usually the mk will try to react to DK's jump with an aerial oos or tornado and the side-b hits them just as soon as they drop their shield.

 

[Paroxium]

It makes me happy seeing 4 fantastic DK mains answer my question :D

But anyway, I was wondering what DK's best out of shield option. Spinning kong sounds good, but sometimes my opponent does something like a jab and interrupts my up b, idk if I'm slow or they're just fast.

Also, I read earlier in this thread that up tilted side tilt beats MK's nado, so I've been retreating and doing that alot, and it's been working! But most often then not, I get caught up in my shield blocking the tornado. (assuming I have a full/good shield and it won't shield poke) what's the best way to punish nado on the the safe and unsafe landing (it's okay if I retreat if it's safe, but unsafe seems like I need to do something productive) ground slap chase? Spinning kong? I assume bair isn't a great punish b/c rising bairs don't hit...quite the problem

 

[DtJ S2n]

No problem. It's why the thread is here. Punishing out of shield with DK isn't a simple matter. It really just comes down to knowing your ranges and the speed of your attacks alongside how punishable your opponents attacks are. In general though, our most useful OOS options are jump + b-air, shield grab, d-tilt, u-tilt, and d-smash.

• B-air OOS is fast and high ranged, but will whiff against short opponents and will put us in the air, which is bad if they don't get hit.
• Shield grab can't be shielded (a common option for doing something punishable on shield) and is very rewarding, but we honestly don't have much range on grab.
• D-tilt has a ton of reach and can lead to good damage at low percents. Is fast and not too easy to punish if you mistime it. Good if you're unsure if you can punish a high reaching move (like an Ike f-air), and good at low percents.
• U-tilt is our fastest move, can lead to juggles, and covers a ton of space in the air. Very good for punishing rising aerials or if you just need something fast next to you.
• D-smash is a high reward punish. It kills early and hits fast (10~11 frames). Careful not to miss with this one, and only use it to kill with.

There are other options like u-air OOS, or even moves like down-b or up-b OOS but they're much more situational.

Tornado is a bit different to punish. If you are close enough, shield grab (you may have to dash into it) is a good option to get either the autocancelled or the normal variants of tornados. However, a lot of MKs will expect this and will be buffering spotdodges. So yes, down-b (and less so up-b) are good options to punish with because they'll catch the spotdodge, and down-b has a ton of range. F/D-tilt are also fairly good options if they stayed within their range, due to their speed.

 

[Paroxium]

No problem. It's why the thread is here. Punishing out of shield with DK isn't a simple matter. It really just comes down to knowing your ranges and the speed of your attacks alongside how punishable your opponents attacks are. In general though, our most useful OOS options are jump + b-air, shield grab, d-tilt, u-tilt, and d-smash.

• B-air OOS is fast and high ranged, but will whiff against short opponents and will put us in the air, which is bad if they don't get hit.
• Shield grab can't be shielded (a common option for doing something punishable on shield) and is very rewarding, but we honestly don't have much range on grab.
• D-tilt has a ton of reach and can lead to good damage at low percents. Is fast and not too easy to punish if you mistime it. Good if you're unsure if you can punish a high reaching move (like an Ike f-air), and good at low percents.
• U-tilt is our fastest move, can lead to juggles, and covers a ton of space in the air. Very good for punishing rising aerials or if you just need something fast next to you.
• D-smash is a high reward punish. It kills early and hits fast (10~11 frames). Careful not to miss with this one, and only use it to kill with.

There are other options like u-air OOS, or even moves like down-b or up-b OOS but they're much more situational.

Tornado is a bit different to punish. If you are close enough, shield grab (you may have to dash into it) is a good option to get either the autocancelled or the normal variants of tornados. However, a lot of MKs will expect this and will be buffering spotdodges. So yes, down-b (and less so up-b) are good options to punish with because they'll catch the spotdodge, and down-b has a ton of range. F/D-tilt are also fairly good options if they stayed within their range, due to their speed.

Thanks . I asked this question in the brawl q&a thread but that looks kinda dead so I hope this tread can help.

How do I buffer tilts? I've got up tilt down but the rest I dont.

 

[Luigi player]

hold the direction you want to hit till shortly before you can do something again (during buffer), then press A and release both (still during buffer).

you have 10 frames for buffering so it shouldn't be too hard after you got a feeling for it / your cooldown on some stuff where you can buffer out from

 

[Paroxium]

Considering dropping DK for this MU, Falco and Oli alone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dS07Rl3sso

What do I do ?

And what char/stage CP should I do?

 

[DKwill]

Considering dropping DK for this MU, Falco and Oli alone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dS07Rl3sso

What do I do ?

And what char/stage CP should I do?

Wait until I play well against a diddy kong =P Seriously, I wasn't playing my best this game. I didn't utilize/avoid bananas in the way that you're supposed to.

 

[Neon!]

Will was far too agressive in that game, DK has to bait diddy very well in this matchup and have plenty of patience.

 

[DtJ S2n]

plenty of patience.

Definitely. Will was definitely flustered that match and couldn't find his footing. I think every character in the game loses to Diddy when the player is frustrated.

 

[Paroxium]

So what stages/Character CPs should I be looking at if DK isn't my best shot? (My secondaries are falco/G&W)

 

[Luigi player]

So what stages/Character CPs should I be looking at if DK isn't my best shot? (My secondaries are falco/G&W)

MK

 

[DtJ S2n]

So what stages/Character CPs should I be looking at if DK isn't my best shot? (My secondaries are falco/G&W)

If you can't do the match-up as DK, pick Falco. I know a bunch of Diddies struggle in that match-up. I can't tell you anything about Falco stage counterpicks (you're probably looking at Battlefield). If you choose to go DK, Rainbow/Brinstar duo is an obvious CP vs Diddy. If those are banned, I really really suggest you just pick whatever you're the most comfortable on. I think most people would by default tell you to go Yoshi's Island vs... everybody... but I dislike the stage against characters like Diddy, I find the platform obtrusive to approaching him. You get off the edge for free there, if you're having that problem vs Diddy, though.

 

[Deleted member 189823]

Is a appropriate for a DK to chase you around with B-Air, constantly spamming it given the chance? I have a friend who ocassionally plays him.
Professional DK players like Will and that machine guy don't go around constantly chasing people with B-Air, so with that, I assume it's punishable in some way?

 

[1PokeMastr]

Is a appropriate for a DK to chase you around with B-Air, constantly spamming it given the chance? I have a friend who ocassionally plays him.
Professional DK players like Will and that machine guy don't go around constantly chasing people with B-Air, so with that, I assume it's punishable in some way?

Yeah, it's punishable, even when it's retreated. Which is ********.
It's usually saved best for beating/ trading with aerial approaches.

 

[Crawlas]

if somebody is in my face all the time, what is the best thing i can do? i have a hard time getting some room to breathe.

 

[Man Li Gi]

if somebody is in my face all the time, what is the best thing i can do? i have a hard time getting some room to breathe.

Up angled or a standard f-tilt will work wonders for you. If they sidestep often, Hand Slap or copter works.

 

[1PokeMastr]

Down Tilt works too, but the best option I find is Jab.
It sends them out perfectly.