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That's it.
Whatever you're trying to say.
This arguement has been used waaaaaaaaaaaaay too many times. You assume that the Metaknight player will just let you catch up to them and that their skill level will remain constant; that's not how things work. Because Metaknight starts at a much higher level than anyone else and has the smallest learning curve of the whole cast, this task becomes even more difficult and unlikely unless the Metaknight player only plays casually.
Oops, sorry.
What?
No! Every character is different and they each have unique ways to win matches. MK's way to win is just more obvious and easier to do than the rest, but this doesn't make his ways of winning better than any of the other characters.
The gist of his post is saying that you can beat any character using any character if you can outsmart them. The problem with this is that it doesn't take the much "smarts" to use Metaknight in the first place so, once again, your opponent is already starting at a higher level if you choose anyone else besides Metaknight. Think of it like this: you and your friend are having a race to the top of a ten story building using the stairs. He starts on the 3rd floor and you start on the first. You are also 350 lbs, have asthma, and are wearing high heels. Who has the advantage? This is basically the situation when it comes to Metaknight and most of the cast.
With this being said, you could do calculus problems in your sleep and play as Captain Falcon while he pretends to be a space man while putting plastic bags over his head and plays as Metaknight and still have the advantage.
It is true that Metaknight has the best match ups, easiest to learn, and can use his moves transiently without little to no lag. In my opinion and experience i have found marth to be a good match up against metaknights. Most metaknights to me are usually too quick for their own good so i use counter a lot to as it name says to counter. Plus Metaknight has a small shield so i use shieldbreaker and since the hitbox distance between marth and metaknight is great i make good use of his tips which can k.o metaknights at decent damage percentages. An experience metaknight player can probably compensate for his weakness, but seriously though how many metaknights are truly at that master level.
... Your experience =/= everyone else's. Metaknight is one of Marth's worst match up and, for one of the most balanced characters in the game match up wise, it's still 70-30 in Metaknight's favor. In case you don't know what this means, it means that if you were to get two players of about equal level and they use each of these characters, the Metaknight player would have a 70% of winning. Also, experienced Metaknight players DO compensate for his weaknesses which is one of the reasons why so many people have problems with Metaknight in the first place.
Why did you post that? Don't give MK players even more ideas...Didya try the DI?
I understand what your saying, but seeing as I want to play professionally as Marth, I'm going to HAVE TO know how to beat an MK who can compensate for his weaknesses.
My response?
*INTERNET HIGH FIVE.*
And if you try to jump out of the tornado at the end you die lol.
You're using Metaknight; why in God's name are you using the A button? You've got to use the C-stick, man, the C-stick.
greatest thread evahThe gist of his post is saying that you can beat any character using any character if you can outsmart them. The problem with this is that it doesn't take the much "smarts" to use Metaknight in the first place so, once again, your opponent is already starting at a higher level if you choose anyone else besides Metaknight. Think of it like this: you and your friend are having a race to the top of a ten story building using the stairs. He starts on the 3rd floor and you start on the first. You are also 350 lbs, have asthma, and are wearing high heels. Who has the advantage? This is basically the situation when it comes to Metaknight and most of the cast.
If I was that DK I'd DI to the left or right depending on which way is further from MK's reach.
Agreed!
DI away (right or left) from the attack and n-air? Since, you know, there's no hitstun.
Why do everybody have in their mind set that metaknight is just hard to beat. Have we forgotten how light he is. Well if you disagree on marth how about olimar. i main olimar
one of my main tactics is his almost no lag long distance grabs and i think every brawl player knows that constant grabs to combos get kills fast. so how about just shield grabing a metaknigt throw them off and go in for maybe another grab and a SHFF attack based on what you think your opponent going to do.
It was a true combo if you watch the video. You need to Smash DI left or right, so your character moves before being sent flying.
Marth's my third main so when i usually use my counter is when any character is behind after i just hit them. i could strongly say that 80% of people instinctively would try to get you back for hitting and BAM!! they can't because i got counter on but before they realize its too late.
Because he is at higher levels, perhaps? Do you think we'd even be discussing this if it weren't true? The light arguement has been made too many times and people who can kill him off the top as low as 70% (on most stages using the right attacks) like Donkey Kong, Bowser, Ike, Wario, Luigi, Fox, and Snake are still 60-40 or worse. Olimar vs Metaknight is still 70-30 in Metaknight's favor because if Metaknight gets Olimar in the air or off the stage, he's pretty much screwed. Also, Metaknight can use the tornado to slightly hover and attack over the pikmin's grab range. Regarding your situation, Metaknight can outprioritize Olimar's aerials with all his aerials and all his specials except the dimensional cape. Also, in higher levels of play, grabs become less frequent because the players are more knowledgable about how to avoid them so depending exclusively as a winning strategy is not a good idea.Why do everybody have in their mind set that metaknight is just hard to beat. Have we forgotten how light he is. Well if you disagree on marth how about olimar. i main olimar
But now we have "perfect camping" which helps eliminate some of MK's advantages toward Olimar.
I want to see this in practice against a good Metaknight first. I think I know what you're talking about: short hopped Pikmin throws when they're far away and then reverse grabs and fsmashes if they get too close, right? A person I play named Excellence has this strategy down pat and it's pretty hard to get past but I haven't tried with Metaknight yet.
All these things you say about how a metaknight can outplay any character is all in theory we can go back and forth with our theories in combat, but lets see somebody who can actually incorporate these theories into their gameplay. Tell me a metaknight on youtube that is as good as you are claiming metaknights to be.
We've had this "perfect camping" for a long time. It's just that Atomsk used it well against Inui and M2K so suddenly Oli has the advantage.
Dojo, Mew2King, and Azen (even though he mostly uses Lucario). Well, that was simple enough...
Atomsk still lost lol.
And there you go... +1 for my arguement.