Should Metaknight be Banned? **Take 2** (Post-podcast)

[~ Gheb ~]

Can't you view the people anymore who voted once you voted yourself?

 

[salaboB]

Can't you view the people anymore who voted once you voted yourself?

Yes, click one of the result numbers.

 

[Ayaz18]

I personally think that MK should be banned because he makes people like me have to resort to Snake.

I really don't like playing Snake, but im forced to if I want to compete well.

other characters are not easy to deal with but I know there beatable because they have weaknesses, where as MK's only weakness is his lightness, which also is underestimated

 

[Kitamerby]

Actually, the whole "We didn't ban Melee Sheik" argument got me thinking... What if they DID ban Sheik? Would there have been more variety among the cast? Or did the other top tiers shut everyone that Sheik beats down to the point that banning Sheik would have made no difference?

 

[JesiahTEG]

Sheik gets owned by Fox and Falco.

 

[kr3wman]

The rules of this thread are if you don't think you are credible enough to vote, just vote for not banned.

...

People are gullible enough to do this you know.

 

[JesiahTEG]

Hence the smiley face at the end. Hope it helped them.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Like I've mentioned in the other thread, no he should not, the following may sound absurd but it would work:

Metaknight himself doesn't necessarily have to be banned, rather his moveset should be consisted upon banning such as Dimensional Cape for instance, sure some scrubs out there may complain it as button fumbling I say , Directors should watch a match consisting of a MetaKnight closely. It could work if people are willing to observe it.

 

[kr3wman]

Even with the smiley face, Jesiah.

Even with the smiley face.

 

[Kiyosuki]

Well I'm not gullible, smiley face or not.

If I did, I'd vote yes.

But I'm not.

 

[Steel]

Like I've mentioned in the other thread, no he should not, the following may sound absurd but it would work:

Metaknight himself doesn't necessarily have to be banned, rather his moveset should be consisted upon banning such as Dimensional Cape for instance, sure some scrubs out there may complain it as button fumbling I say , Directors should watch a match consisting of a MetaKnight closely. It could work if people are willing to observe it.

For the 2934083rd time, the IDC has always been banned since it was discovered.

 

[salaboB]

For the 2934083rd time, the IDC has always been banned since it was discovered.

And just banning the DC won't do anything significant at all

 

[da K.I.D.]

@jesiah, you suck stop trying ot be azen
@kita, i vote for the latter in that case.
@Omega, with the absurd amount of ppl playing MK u would need a moderator for just about every match, and anyone who has ever ran or thought about running a tourney would know that that is just not feasible

 

[Kiyosuki]

And even so, just pulling a few nips and tucks on the character's movelist is still just putting a bandaid on a gunshot wound. You gotta take the bullet out.

Plus you can only ban and restrict so many particular aspects of a character before you have to ask yourself if you've missed the point.

This is ultimately up to you guys, and I'm probably missing a detail or two, but I've been playing fighters for a very long time and in my personal opinion he does seem to be hurting this games' meta game. If there were an updated version of the game a la a Third Strike, or a Dark Resurrection, on the horizon it wouldn't be that big a deal but this may be it for a while for Smash.

 

[MaxfireXSA]

I think Meta Knight should not be banned for the last time, because the tips I've given to them was in this thread, where my post are.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=5868476&posted=1#post5868476

 

[deepseadiva]

Like I've mentioned in the other thread, no he should not, the following may sound absurd but it would work:

Metaknight himself doesn't necessarily have to be banned, rather his moveset should be consisted upon banning

I'd prefer full out banning Meta Knight rather than picking and choosing certain parts of him.

 

[OmegaXXII]

For the 2934083rd time, the IDC has always been banned since it was discovered.

Well I didn't specifically said just Dimensional Cape, I just pointed that move out as an example of what could possibly be banned for his list of moves.

@Omega, with the absurd amount of ppl playing MK u would need a moderator for just about every match, and anyone who has ever ran or thought about running a tourney would know that that is just not feasible

Hmm... I guess, but in any case people should at least give it a try before going saying such assumptions about it.

 

[M15t3R E]

I think Meta Knight should not be banned for the last time, because the tips I've given to them was in this thread, where my post are.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=5868476&posted=1#post5868476

Dude...
Seriously, dude...

I read that thread of yours. Please refrain from basing any of your arguments off a lvl 9 Meta Knight.

 

[BrawlBro]

posting because i voted

i hope this vote, you know actually matters this time. i think we need a decision on this SOON before our community is dead.

i vote yes not because metaknight is really THAT bad right NOW, but rather because the mechanics of that character (range, speed, priority) pretty much guarantees he will be unbeatable once people MASTER him. i really dont care that recently he has the virus effect and scrub players pick him up. i feel confident that if i was good enough i could beat those players. what i am worried about is there might come a day when everyone is skilled at this game, so skilled that if given a character like metaknight they will be unbeatable.

when its a couple of years into this game and somebody has played that character the entire time, knows their metaknight inside and out, its going to be unstoppable. best to fix it now

 

[kr3wman]

I think Meta Knight should not be banned for the last time, because the tips I've given to them was in this thread, where my post are.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=5868476&posted=1#post5868476

People, you should read this thread.

Thread of the year.

 

[1048576]

This is equivalent to using a handicap. The problem with the scalpel method is that it's completely arbitrary what would make the game fair. Say you put him at 30% and he still wins every time. Then you put it at 60% and he never wins. At 40 he wins less than ROB and Snake, and at 50 he's about mid tier. What is fair? If you don't see the analogy just replace 30 with nado and 60 with dtilt and nado

 

[BrawlBro]

Dude...
Seriously, dude...

I read that thread of yours. Please refrain from basing any of your arguments off a lvl 9 Meta Knight.

LOL wtfs disregard that thread (if thats what it is really about idk)

 

[deepseadiva]

i hope this vote, you know actually matters this time. i think we need a decision on this SOON before our community is dead.

I hope it doesn't. We don't need this being decided by the Smashboards population at large.

Oh god, if it does...

 

[vbdood1337]

I think Meta Knight should not be banned for the last time, because the tips I've given to them was in this thread, where my post are.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=5868476&posted=1#post5868476

You (Max) need to do more of this:

Read the arguments, listened to the podcast, made an informed decision.

Whatever position you take, everyone, please do the same. Let's try and make this poll as scrubless as possible.

@Max (definitely not at Meno)
The prima strategy guide is a ****ing joke. Start actually listening to EVERYONE on this board who is telling you you're wrong. You seem to be under the impression that we don't believe what is written in that guide, when really, we couldn't care less because that entire "guide" is ****.

Grow up, start listening to what we are telling you and learn SOMETHING about this game.

I really hope you didn't vote on this poll, because you have noooooo idea what you're talking about.

ONTOPIC:
I haven't listened to the entire podcast yet, (only heard the last ~ hour live, haven't made the DL yet) but I'm leaning towards the ban side right now. Will listen and make my decision this weekend.

 

[kr3wman]

He did, lol.

 

[popsofctown]

i say we elect samuraipanda supreme ruler of the world and let him make the final decision on if MK is banned or not.

 

[HeroMystic]

People, you should read this thread.

Thread of the year.

Wow... that thread is just... wow...

 

[DraKmoN001]

I hope it doesn't. We don't need this being decided by the Smashboards population at large.

Oh god, if it does...

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

Tangent aside, there is much research being put in each day for dealing with MK, and results seem pretty positive up to now. As far as I can tell MK's presence hasn't completely stopped every other character's development, individually or otherwise, unless one only uses topics such as "Should Metaknight be banned?" as the measure of Brawl's activity.

 

[JesiahTEG]

posting because i voted

i hope this vote, you know actually matters this time. i think we need a decision on this SOON before our community is dead.

The community's not going to die, the Meta Knight topic is pretty much over, even if some people don't realize it. Here's the conclusion.

A.) TO's/Regions will ban Meta Knight at their will. If he's banned in your area and you wanted him banned, nice. If he's not banned in your area but you want him banned, go talk to your TO about it IRL, don't post on Smashboards.

B.) People will continue to complain on Smashboards even though the issue is pretty much resolved...Some regions will ban him, some won't. That's it.

 

[popsofctown]

or... maybe there will be a SBR ban

 

[Kiyosuki]

I don't remember the details because I never bought it, but I also distinctively remember the Prima guide saying a couple of things about some characters that are actually just flat out not true right from the get go. Like certain characters being fast when they're obviously not, or even on one occasion I think there was a move that was described completely wrong.

It's probably the worst game guide I've ever taken a glance at. Rule of thumb, unless it's a non-online RPG or an action game (which then guides can be quite useful but still full of holes.)...chances are guides written before the game is even released to the public are 90% garbage guessing games meant to jack up the prices of games if people buy the guide with the game. -Especially- for fighting games or most multi player games.

Hey I wish we had stuff like Ultimanias and the like here in the States too, but we don't.

 

[Matt07]

I voted easily last time. This time I'm having trouble which way to 'lean' too, due to both sides giving very good arguments.

 

[popsofctown]

I don't remember the details because I never bought it, but I also distinctively remember the Prima guide saying a couple of things about some characters that are actually just flat out not true right from the get go. Like certain characters being fast when they're obviously not, or even on one occasion I think there was a move that was described completely wrong.

It's probably the worst game guide I've ever taken a glance at. Rule of thumb, unless it's a non-online RPG or an action game (which then guides can be quite useful but still full of holes.)...chances are guides written before the game is even released to the public are 90% garbage guessing games meant to jack up the prices of games if people buy the guide with the game.

Hey I wish we had stuff like Ultimanias and the like here in the States too, but we don't.

it is sad indeed on the frequent occasions i read a gamefaqs guide more accurate than a commercial one for the same game.



I still say we elect SamuraiPanda supreme chancellor of the world and let him finally decide on the MK issue.

 

[M15t3R E]

The community's not going to die, the Meta Knight topic is pretty much over, even if some people don't realize it. Here's the conclusion.

A.) TO's/Regions will ban Meta Knight at their will. If he's banned in your area and you wanted him banned, nice. If he's not banned in your area but you want him banned, go talk to your TO about it IRL, don't post on Smashboards.

B.) People will continue to complain on Smashboards even though the issue is pretty much resolved...Some regions will ban him, some won't. That's it.

Jesiah and I are on different sides in this argument but in total agreement in this^.

 

[Kiyosuki]

it is sad indeed on the frequent occasions i read a gamefaqs guide more accurate than a commercial one for the same game.



I still say we elect SamuraiPanda supreme chancellor of the world and let him finally decide on the MK issue.

I think it makes perfect sense, especially with multiplayer things. Because the players make the gameplay in the end, not those guys.

A regional ban sounds like a fair decision. I mean it's not like there's a universal tourney to which all tournies are judged, it's all run by individuals.

 

[JesiahTEG]

Jesiah and I are on different sides in this argument but in total agreement in this^.

yayyy peace to smashboards ^_^

 

[DraKmoN001]

yayyy peace to smashboards ^_^

You forgot the starman and the grey text.

<=[

 

[∫unk]

If anyone is confused, Meta is banned in most regions now. Or at least the regions that matter :D

And Ulevo, my Marth is better than my Meta too... but I still do better with Meta. Yes he has weaknesses but they are minor/insignificant in comparison to the rest of the cast.

 

[da K.I.D.]

The community's not going to die, the Meta Knight topic is pretty much over, even if some people don't realize it. Here's the conclusion.

A.) TO's/Regions will ban Meta Knight at their will. If he's banned in your area and you wanted him banned, nice. If he's not banned in your area but you want him banned, go talk to your TO about it IRL, don't post on Smashboards.

B.) People will continue to complain on Smashboards even though the issue is pretty much resolved...Some regions will ban him, some won't. That's it.

both you and mr. E are wrong, and its been explained why.

i will use the actual discussed topic to explain

SP stated that some areas (texas) are dominated by MK and some regions (NYC) arent as much. and the regions that are dominated should probably bann him and the regions that arent have no reason to.

In response to that I (among others) said that no one region is going to ban MK if the rest of the regions wont. thats basically whats going on in Canada right now. They think MK is too good, but they dont ban him because of how it affects their relations with other regions.
1. Nobody that disagrees with the decision will travel to their tourneys and,
2. they themselves will be woefully unprepared to fight MK should they travel to other regions for tourneys.
that being said. at this point its basically an all or nothing deal where either the SBR makes the decision to ban him and most people go with it, with the oddmans (like my own TO) still allowing him no matter what. or the SBR doesnt make a decision and we continue on the path that we are on now.

 

[da K.I.D.]

If anyone is confused, Meta is banned in most regions now. Or at least the regions that matter :D

And Ulevo, my Marth is better than my Meta too... but I still do better with Meta. Yes he has weaknesses but they are minor/insignificant in comparison to the rest of the cast.

this warranted a double post.

who has mk consistently banned right now?
cause xyro himself said that houston banning him for HOBO 12 was a one time thing for the foreseeable future.

and i dont know anywhere else where mk is getting banned