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[th3kuzinator]

Dietz vote Orbo with me.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Like seriously. Its this

If Swiss is telling the truth, lynch Deitz

if there is a cop, CC right now!

we'll get 1 scum for sure in either scenario.

vs this

if there isn't a cop counterclaim by tomorrow morning, i'll throw my vote on Dietz.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Tablet ftw.

@No Lynch I dont like em. His appeal to Swiss (which is, like, EVERYWHERE) seems really forced, and almost like an attempt to get out of his way. That, on top of his literally doing NOTHING (I'm convinced he's caught up with the way that he can respond to current shiz) makes me totally fine with his lynch.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

Btw Kuz' last 4 posts are sexy.

Unvote Vote: Orbo

 

[No Lynch]

Okay maybe... But is it really sensible for JDietz, who's played two games on a site he claims to be really bad iirc, to have thought of breadcrumbing his role? That's the thing that's bugging me.

Makes a lot of sense now that I think about it...... uh I need to talk with Soupa and I'll get back to you. I'm actually starting to see more of the scumdietz position.

Oh and idk you should totes fill me in on this connection.

You and J have been doing this conflicting read thing. It's starting to look really overdone, like you're using it as away just to vote/not vote pretty much any option in the game. Yesterday when I got the dabuz thing going, J was like "why are yall goin for inactives" and then a few posts later was like "I think orbo > dabuz, gorf thinks dabuz > orbo. what to do?". I asked J why he was suddenly talking about going after inactives, and he said it was because you guys might as well be apart of the current situation instead of pushing something no one else is looking at. So then if that's the case, why didn't J just vote dabuz who we were currently wagoning? Why did he feel the need to bring up "I think orbo > dabuz, gorf thinks dabuz > orbo. what to do?" if NO ONE WAS EVEN TALKING ABOUT VOTING ORBO? If his reasoning was to join in on the current pressure, wouldn't it be obvious to vote dabuz??? Not someone who we weren't even talking about voting? It's not l like he has some mega town read on dabuz, and if you feel that dabuz is suspicious, then I don't see why J was tiptoeing around this. This is where I'm getting a dabuz/bleck connection. J has actually been subtly defending dabuz all game even though he has hardly posted. Just from hydraing with J from GS3 I know he doesn't just leave people alone even if he has a slight town read on them. He should have been willing to get some pressure on dabuz.

Then today all the sudden you take the first chance you get to take your vote off of dabuz. You don't believe Swiss' gambit do you? So why all the sudden are you voting dietz again? It's like you and J are using this conflicted hydra thing as an excuse to just switch your votes one way or the other. What's further concerning about this is the fact that J claimed that you had suspcions of dabuz, so it seems really odd to me how fast you jumped off that wagon.

There is no way your hydra should be so disconnected, the way you guys are playing _o_

 

[th3kuzinator]

_o_

But what is this, even?

 

[No Lynch]

It's upside down sigh face lol

 

[No Lynch]

July whatever your answer may be, we need you on this.

 

[Jdietz43]

Dietz vote Orbo with me.

Agreed, I don't see why him and RR can't see Swiss is exactly the type of person who would gambit this hard. He already did it twice and this one wasn't exactly amazing.


Vote: Orbo

 

[July]

Why not Orbo? Even after NL explained to his face that Swiss was gambiting by showing where Swiss slipped, he still chose to keep his options open. He says he sees NL's point and then even says that he's not saying that he believes it but he wants to keep the option of it being true open so he can fish for a cop claim. His whole attitude toward this thing reeks. Not to mention the entire game he's been playing the definition of safe. Only coming in every so often to give unsubstantiated town reads on powerful players. He's purposefully not getting his hands dirty and whereas I accused Dietz of the same thing early game, at least Dietz was being blatantly obvious that he was waffling between people. Orbo is trying to be subtle about it but its been glaring me in the face for awhile.

Not sure how I feel about July telling me to vote RR.

Yay you've finally addressed me :D

I agree that Orbo handled the situation badly, and overall he's been one of the least helpful players and just played it safe all game. I recognize that. But with so, so little information on him, it feels like too much of a shot in the dark and he's just as likely to be sheepy townie as scum, especially since he said he was going to follow Swiss before so I'm not surprised that he blatantly ignored No Lynch. And I disagree about RR not worrying about what people think of him; I think he was trying to look like the "town voice" that would help "nail scum".

 

[July]

July whatever your answer may be, we need you on this.

My answer to what? I feel like I missed something o.o

 

[No Lynch]

July & Gorf what is your current read on Orbo?

You answered above.

 

[~Bleck Mang~]

I don't see us as too conflicting. We've only really gone HAM on discussion for this game once, and the rest have been pre' short. Our biggest difference is our Dietz read and our Kuz read. Rest aren't too much. As far as Orbo or Dabuz, before recent events, I mostly just saw Orbo as disposable, whereas Dabuz' posts, especially his earlier ones, had fake contribution written all over em. Like look at how obligatory he made those scum reads in that one post, and had to get any form of scumhunting dragged out of em. Then when he told me he was caught up and he continued doing nothing it bothered me. The only time he's substantiated that I can recall was when Rockin got it out of em. Most of what made Dabuz > Orbo to me was the fact that Dabuz was, and is, caught up and doing... Now a bit more than nothing. And I don't believe Orbo's caught up schenanigans. And as far as voting Dietz today, it's cuz of what I explained. Not really jumping at the opportunity to unvote Dabuz ._.

 

[July]

You answered above.

Aiight. To clarify, I think Orbo is a viable lynch toDay, but definitely not the best lynch toDay. I would love to lynch someone I have a legit scum read on rather than someone I just find useless, so that's either Bleck Mang or RR.

And I don't freaking know where Kuz's head is at. I don't remember seeing much in terms of scum picks from him after his Dietz read fell through, and now this read on Orbo that I don't think CAN be a strong push because he's done so little but Kuz is on the defensive about it and saying that it's clearly a better place for his vote to be than RR. If you are going to vote Orbo, if that's the way toDay is going to go then I feel like you have to take that for what it is: it's an inactive/semi-inactive lynch, he's sheepy (both Swiss and RR) and he's sheepy on scummy things but ultimately his lynch is still like taking a shot in the dark.

 

[No Lynch]

@Gord: Okie ^______________^

@July: You would really lynch Bleck today....? Still? It seems like you're forcibly holding onto that read tbh. In any event, you should definitely look over Orbos last few posts and then once you see he is scum, you should put him at L-2.

 

[No Lynch]

@Orbo/anyone: How much experience does Orbo have?

 

[Jdietz43]

I'm willing to vote RR (or obviously Swiss) in Orbo's stead.

For now I'm grabbing dinner. I'll change my vote if we need to when I get back.

 

[July]

@Gord: Okie ^______________^

@July: You would really lynch Bleck today....? Still? It seems like you're forcibly holding onto that read tbh. In any event, you should definitely look over Orbos last few posts and then once you see he is scum, you should put him at L-2.

I haven't been shy about the fact that I suspect Bleck Mang and that this is something that has bugged me. I'm aware that they are not going to be the lynch toDay, but that just means that I'm going to push for someone else who I think has a good chance of flipping scum.

I did look over them, they are sheepy as ****. He sheeps both RR and Swiss. Lena scum? Maybe. But honestly I feel like people are making his recent actions out to be really scummy to justify their votes on him when they're not. If you want me to vote him because he's semi-inactive and sheepy then say so. But I don't see him as being as scummy as RR and I think that there is a much greater chance of hitting scum with my vote where it is. And my vote will stay there until either 1) other people come to same realization and get on RR, 2) you get enough people to lynch Orbo without me, or 3) people admit that this is basically a compromise lynch, and we've agreed to settle with getting rid of someone who is sheepy and semi-inactive rather than people's actual scum picks.

It's really quite frustrating that after an entire Day of conflict and cases and such, nothing is going to be resolved if we have an Orbo lynch. Swiss is still going to push Dietz toMorrow, I'm still going to be on RR or Bleck Mang, pro-Dietz v. anti-Deitz showdown will continue going on, other people will still have their main scum picks unresolved and keep pushing them toMorrow, and still people are content to just go with this compromise lynch and accept the lack of information it will provide and the lack of substance the case is built on. /rant

 

[No Lynch]

dabuz and Rockin, vote Orbi please.

 

[Kataefi]

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Red Ryu has been Silenced, and any votes they cast will not be counted for the remainder of the Day!

Voting (9):
Orboknown (4): No Lynch, th3kuzinator, Bleck Mang, Jdietz43
Jdietz43 (2): Swiss, Ryker,
dabuz (1): Rockin
Swiss (1): Dark Horse
Red Ryu (1): July

Not Voting (4):
dabuz
Red Ryu
Orboknown
felipe_9595

 

[Swiss]

How is no one concerned that Ryker and Swiss apparently have a line of communication with each other, and don't care what the mod thinks RIGHT before claiming that the mod has given them information to make a gambit with?

Swiss gambit count: 3 and counting
(Ryker blatant non-constructive insult count: 7 billion)

How you aren't dead yet defeats me....

This guy is pushing me on cheating which the mod would have punished were it true.

Dammit Swiss. I wasn't supposed to post today.

This is interesting from you Ryu. Why assume that Swiss is telling the truth? Why have a cop cc rather than lynch Swiss to see if he is telling the truth? This is especially true with the fact that you've had such a strong scum read on Swiss and have a town read on dietz. We should be lynching Swiss. At this point he is confirmed for indy. Do you realize how ridiculous sounding it is for a town role to have confirmed information that there is no cop in the game? The only other reason Swiss would claim what he has is if he is in fact cop. I would hope that he wouldn't do something like this if he were _-_

Swiss is confirmed scum at this point and we are lynching him.
A cop should not CC.
If Swiss is revealed to be telling the truth (upon his role flip), we can look into dietz tomorrow.

wtf

Also, indie paranoia....

Even after he claimed to have cheated last time as a part of his gambit? I suppose I can't stop you from trusting him, but there's no way I'm going to.

If he is, this is a case of "Mankind ill needs a power role such as you".

(the real joke is I was ready to try and stop the Swiss vs. Me nonsense today so we could focus on other people since everyone was viewing him as town... I guess that isn't going to actually happen)

LOL. Dietz has shown >>NO<< signs of dropping me. This is just him grasping at townie and FU Swiss points.

Also, Dietz, background? I'm the straightest player on DGames. Many players can verify this.

It's simple.

If Swiss is lying if no cop CC, Jay flips town in this situation, we lynch him for lying to get a mislynch.
If Jay flips scum, Swiss in confirmed town and we have a dead mafia.

We get mafia no matter what.

Of course assuming Swiss isn't lying to gambit, again. I'm willing to pursue this because I do not think town Swiss would lie like this.

Ryker, please kindly inform RR of what he just said.

Swiss dies if he is lying before anyone else tomorrow. That much is certain, he won't walk away from pushing a gambit like this to get his personal lynch off.

I'm willing to do this because I think a cop claiming is perfectly fine if it nails at least one scum.

It's simple, if Swiss is lying he dies, if he isn't you die.

That is why I am willing to go along with this.

I want RR dead. Insta-forcing a "we get scum" situation where he can place the blame on others. No townie is that bad.

s i have.
im not saying i believe it, but like ryu said, if it is wrong then swiss dies tomorrow.

Huh.

Vote: Orbo

I see why...but why not RR? Orbo noob-sheep.

@Mod is it intentional that there is no Game Specific section in the OP? If not, are there any roles that are confirmed not in the game?

I don't like Red Ruy's Mr. Perfect Townie-esque view on this claim of Swiss'. It's almost too mechanical; he's reminding me of Gheb in Dissidia. That, adding on to the fact that he really DID make a total 180 as far as his read goes, irks the living SHIZ out of me. That being said, I don't get your logic about Swiss being auto scum if he has this mod confirmed info @No Lynch. Look at Swiss' (iirc) miller role in OS' game, I think it was FF6. Town miller with mod confirmed info about something or whatever... but still town. Your basis for your argument seems either about leaning too hard on your townDietz read or leaning really hard on role speculation.

Oh and @Kuz about Bleck Mang being unreadable, this hydra is probz the EASIEST hydra to read in DGames by far since it's obvious when Gorf is posting and it's obvious when J is posting lol.

Smart, I like you.

Vote: Orbo

Bah, really?

Swiss is 100% scum if he has mod info that there is no cop and that there is an indy. I would put my life on that. You'll have to remind me what info he had in FF6. It's rare that town every gets information like that. I've argued against others and with myself so many times. Those claiming to have information like this always turn out to be scum.

-MK in FF6
-Kuz in Celeb
-X1 in Villians
-Nabe in superheros

are what come to mind.

Wtf

I actually agree with this. Gotta see what Soupa thinks.

@gord- his claim matches up with his play to me.
@gord- what is with your connenction to dabuz?

Mfw, will you lynch Dietz then? Lynch Dietz.

OH MY GOD JULY YOU ARE TOWN. Was waiting for someone to post that.

@July: I would immediately declare a vig/lynch on Swiss if we went through with that and Jay flipped town.

If Swiss flipped town, he ruined town by trying to lie like that.

That is why I was perfectly fine with a Cop claim, because if he lied he would get Chibo status like he died inb Moderator mafia.

Yeah....die. You're more concerned about securing lynches and blame than you are lynching correctly.

And whereas RR blatantly told the cop to CC (something I don't think scum would be the first one to suggest), Orbo just kind of rode RR's sentiments. If anything RR's reaction, though gross, shows that he isn't worried about what other people think about him. He's not being subtle.

Orbo is.

That's exactly what scum would want...

We are not lynching Orbo. We get nothing on any flip from him, draw no connections and are still left with the ****storm of conflicting reads we currently have that have NOTHING to do with him.

It's really quite frustrating that after an entire Day of conflict and cases and such, nothing is going to be resolved if we have an Orbo lynch. Swiss is still going to push Dietz toMorrow, I'm still going to be on RR or Bleck Mang, pro-Dietz v. anti-Deitz showdown will continue going on, other people will still have their main scum picks unresolved and keep pushing them toMorrow, and still people are content to just go with this compromise lynch and accept the lack of information it will provide and the lack of substance the case is built on. /rant

I actually applauded this post IRL. I don't agree with all your reads - and I sure as hell think your style needs refining - but you are smart. This post was thoughts as I go and not seen yours when I posted the bolded above.

Dietz, RR and Kuz need to die - in that order. DH/Dabuz vig fodder. I forget my Dabuz read, so DH. Investigative on Kuz. Do something to Dabuz. Silence/Voteblock whoever of Dietz/RR survives.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Investigate Swiss. He wants the town points.

 

[Swiss]

Bahahaha.

I'll take the investigate if we lynch Dietz. You if we lynch Orbo.

Deal?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Sure why not.

 

[Swiss]

I was hoping for a switch of lynch there. Not gonna lie.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I know you were. I'm not as transparent as Ryker so don't get your hopes up.

 

[Swiss]

Lol, attitude much? That last comment was a light hearted joke.

Odd. You're so....defensive.

 

[th3kuzinator]

That was defensive?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Swiss, if you were telling the truth I would have pushed that hard, it's near bingo'd scum if you were.

But I digress, it was just you apparently fine with pulling a bad gambit again which apparently people on this site don't lynch people over for pushing to the point of a ML like Celebrity.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I can't tell if Swiss v Kuz is TvS or just two players very adamantly against each other. >_>

 

[th3kuzinator]

We're feeling each other out. I also don't even think there's that much animosity at this time.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Guess I can't tell the difference well.

Ryker, stop being lazy.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Make me.

But seriously, what was the point of that comment.

/haven't read from my last post yet

 

[No Lynch]

July what do you suspect is the case with RR being roleblocked/voteblocked?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

God, I want to introduce Ruy's teeth to a brick after his reaction to Swiss's post.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Love you too.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Even after he claimed to have cheated last time as a part of his gambit? I suppose I can't stop you from trusting him, but there's no way I'm going to.

If he is, this is a case of "Mankind ill needs a power role such as you".

(the real joke is I was ready to try and stop the Swiss vs. Me nonsense today so we could focus on other people since everyone was viewing him as town... I guess that isn't going to actually happen)

It's comforting to know that I don't have to care about your vote at all, hombre.

This post is so not town it's hilarious. I literally laughed my *** off upon reading it. It lies there, in the floor, in all it's shiny glory.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Why Orbo? Vote RR. He was scummy before this Swiss gambit and this only amplified his scummy nature by trying to get the cop to cc.

That's mah gurl!

We lynch Ditz today and if he flips town, we lynch RR tomorrow.

GG, no problem, no problem.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Lynch order:

Ditz - Every goddamn new scum card I can think of. All of this "he would have to be coached" bull**** is insane. He reads a list of roles and basic mafia theory, he can have the idea of crumbing/claiming miller. It's not rocket science. None of his play is pointing toward scrub town. I don't get why it's being pushed SO HARD when the play doesn't represent it at all. I want him to flip, now. I want his defenders to explain why the hell they have him as such a town read, that means you too, Kuz. I don't care if I'm asking you for a town read when the presence of such a read is unmerited.

Red Ruy - Jesus Christ. He isn't concerned with finding scum at all. He made that apparent from post one.

Kuz - You're disgusting. Unmerited town read on Ditz with waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much confidence. Jump over RR and to Orbo for no apparent reason. His "active posters are all townie" sentiment includes RR by definition. That's another read that he has no business making.


Those are my top three in order.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Red Ruy - Jesus Christ. He isn't concerned with finding scum at all. He made that apparent from post one.

Your funny.